Quote:Legit ELITE QB talent. I have seen Gabbert look great in preseason. If there is anything I have learned watching football, it is that preseason is the biggest joke of all when evaluating players.
Well, Gabbert had elite QB talent also. Like you said, Gabbert has lit it up in pre-season sometimes, something a Ryan Mallet can not say.
Quote:The same reason people were obsessed with Kevin Kolb, Matt Cassel, and Kirk Cousins. They are content with mediocre quarterbacks.
If you think Mallet has the same level of talent as Kolb, Cassel, and Cousins, then nothing will help you my friend.
Quote:I was referring more to the 1st round type, not later round manuevering. Team's in the Jaguars situation (unless able to get THE QB with the pick) usually are better off if they can score deals early in the draft that can parlay higher early draft picks into a package of picks that can be used to address multiple needs, but are still relatively high picks themselves.
An understandable philosophy.
However, given your stance regarding how undesirable our current first round draft position is, how tenable is trading down this year?
According to you, the two true superstar caliber players-Clowney and Bridgewater- will be off the board by three.
If this is true, what real incentive would any team below us have in trading up with us? Why would any team below us trade above Cleveland?
It seems you would fault the team for not trading down when there seems little to no incentive for any team to trade up. For that matter, if we stick solely to the words you used in this message I quoted above, then if Clowney somehow makes it to three and the team takes him, they are still somehow at fault for not trading down.
Am I misinterpreting you?
Quote:Well, Gabbert had elite QB talent also. Like you said, Gabbert has lit it up in pre-season sometimes, something a Ryan Mallet can not say.
I wouldn't say Gabbert has elite talent. I think Jacksonville media blew up his talent to the extreme. Not to mention Gabbert is about the most scared QB I have ever seen in my life.
Regardless this team has to get a QB in here right away. If it is Mallet for a third then so be it. You are only wasting a third round pick. This team has extra picks. I don't see the big deal.
Quote:I wouldn't say Gabbert has elite talent. I think Jacksonville media blew up his talent to the extreme.
Gabbert definitely has elite physical talent. He has ideal size and top level arm strength along with a good delivery motion. He also is fast.
It goes to show that playing QB in the NFL is about more than just the physical.
Quote:I wouldn't say Gabbert has elite talent. I think Jacksonville media blew up his talent to the extreme.
What about the other national media? He was a very hyped QB. There's a reason some people had him graded higher than Cam Newton. He's also got a great arm, is faster than Mallet, and can make all the throws. He just doesn't have "it" in his head.
Quote:What about the other national media? He was a very hyped QB. There's a reason some people had him graded higher than Cam Newton. He's also got a great arm, is faster than Mallet, and can make all the throws. He just doesn't have "it" in his head.
I wouldn't say he has a great arm. If he does he sure hasn't shown it. His ball flutters like a shot duck.
He is missing a lot more than "it."
Quote:Like Matt Shaub?
Matt Schaub started a few games for the Falcons before he was traded. Not entirely the same scenario. He even put together a few games starting and had examples of playing well in the regular season.
Mallet had enough time to come in for like 2 snaps and quickly threw an interception. Not really sure how you could think those two things are similar.
Quote:I wouldn't say Gabbert has elite talent. I think Jacksonville media blew up his talent to the extreme. Not to mention Gabbert is about the most scared QB I have ever seen in my life.
Jacksonville media? Most draft guys had him as the #1 QB that offseason. Read the accounts of his pro day. Guys like Mayock could not find enough good things to say. He barely registered a blip here because most people thought he would not even be an option.
Quote:If you think Mallet has the same level of talent as Kolb, Cassel, and Cousins, then nothing will help you my friend.
I followed Mallet really close after he transferred from Michigan. He was Michigan's biggest recruit of the last decade and transferred when Rich Rod was hired (smart kid). I'm well aware of what Mallets pros/cons are. I wasn't comparing his talent level to Kolb/Cassel/Cousins. I was comparing the fact that people would rather trade for QBs that aren't anything special than drafting a QB.
Name a backup QBs that were traded who became elite or at least considered a franchise QB? From what I remember favre wanted out so he doesnt count lol though I maybe be wrong. It's basically QB purgatory.
Quote:Jacksonville media? Most draft guys had him as the #1 QB that offseason. Read the accounts of his pro day. Guys like Mayock could not find enough good things to say. He barely registered a blip here because most people thought he would not even be an option.
Yeah and how has that turned out?
Gabbert has great size, blah blah blah, he ran a decent 40
and I guess he has a good arm.
But he might be the worst running QB I have ever seen, and for a guy with such a great arm, he sure doesn't show it. Not to mention he is extremely inaccurate.
Quote:I wouldn't say he has a great arm. If he does he sure hasn't shown it. His ball flutters like a shot duck.
He is missing a lot more than "it."
Well it kind of doesn't matter what you think. Most scouts said he had a great arm, and NFL GMs also did. Heck, just today and yesterday Bradley talked about how Gabbert has everything would need in an elite QB, he just hasn't put any of it together.
If your argument is that Mallet has elite QB talent, I will grant you that point. But you can't say that Gabbert DIDN'T or doesn't have elite QB talent. If heard it described as extremely rare to be so athletic, big, smart, and have a great arm like Blaine. Too bad he sucks.
Quote:Regardless this team has to get a QB in here right away. If it is Mallet for a third then so be it. You are only wasting a third round pick. This team has extra picks. I don't see the big deal.
There are much better ways to use that 3rd round pick that trading it for Mallet. I'd like to see the Jaguars get great value one a WR in the 3rd round with a guy like Paul Richardson.
Quote:Well it kind of doesn't matter what you think. Most scouts said he had a great arm, and NFL GMs also did. Heck, just today and yesterday Bradley talked about how Gabbert has everything would need in an elite QB, he just hasn't put any of it together.
If your argument is that Mallet has elite QB talent, I will grant you that point. But you can't say that Gabbert DIDN'T or doesn't have elite QB talent. If heard it described as extremely rare to be so athletic, big, smart, and have a great arm like Blaine. Too bad he sucks.
Haha and it really doesn't matter what you think either now does it.
I guess I am missing this elite talent that we are speaking of.
Quote:There are much better ways to use that 3rd round pick that trading it for Mallet. I'd like to see the Jaguars get great value one a WR in the 3rd round with a guy like Paul Richardson.
Maybe so, I am just saying it wouldn't bother me if they traded a 3rd for Mallet.
It would be one thing if Mallet had even ONE start where he played the entire game and showed he can play. He hasn't. Why anyone would trade a 3rd rounder for him, especially knowing he'll be a free agent next year, is beyond me.
Quote:Haha and it really doesn't matter what you think either now does it.
Of course it doesn't. What matter is what the scouts and GMs thought about Blaine's talent. They obviously thought he was talented enough to be a 1st round QB. The fact that you don't think so really is besides the point.