Quote:-Said he can't say with certainty the Jaguars will draft a quarterback high. Has to see how the quarterback class looks once underclassmen declare.
Most concerning thing he said. If no QB is drafted in the top 3 rounds I think I'll start to have some concerns about Caldwell. He seems to be doing a pretty good job on defense. But I think most of us are ready to stop being bottom 5 on offense.
Quote:if so, its via trunt87, superman, not me.
The whole thread was football based till they showed up.
you don't really have to go off subject to hijack something...
you can purposefully make negative comments, knowing the reaction your going to get. the reaction that you want. your sole purpose for coming on this board is for attention.
so you say what you say, usually a repeat of stuff you've said in other threads, and get everyone arguing with you. for your own internet sensation.
thus, a hijack.
Quote:We better get back on subject. Dragon Fury is trigger happy when it comes to locking up threads.
I was kind of hoping Fisch would take a college opening or something. Looks like that won't be the case.
Then - stick to football. Not the poster. Bash my football takes all you want. But keep it football. Its when you and guys like superman make it personal (calling me idiot, stupid, etc etc) that you ruin it.
Quote:They'll definitely add another RB either via the draft/ trade/ FA.
MoJo is leaving. No biggie though.
I am looking forward to seeing what Todman can do with an expanded role/ chance to be the starter full time.
What do you think about trading a 3rd day pick for a guy like Bryce Brown? Would you rather use a 3rd day pick on a RB draftee?
I wouldn't trade for Bryce brown for anything more than a 5th rounder. He's had some nice games and I think he can be a good contributor, but you'd be getting a guy who would need a contract extension relatively soon. I think a 4th or 5th round rookie should be able to give you similar production and be cheaper. It would be better value.
That is only if we draft a REAL RB, not a guy like Denard Robinson.
Quote:you don't really have to go off subject to hijack something...
you can purposefully make negative comments, knowing the reaction your going to get. the reaction that you want. your sole purpose for coming on this board is for attention.
so you say what you say, usually a repeat of stuff you've said in other threads, and get everyone arguing with you. for your own internet sensation.
thus, a hijack.
Making negative comments on BAD results i.e. the Coordinators is hardly fishing for a response.
If I was making negative comments on something that was clearly "GOOD" and then you might actually have a point, but that has not happened.
Quote:Most concerning thing he said. If no QB is drafted in the top 3 rounds I think I'll start to have some concerns about Caldwell. He seems to be doing a pretty good job on defense. But I think most of us are ready to stop being bottom 5 on offense.
I actually liked what he said there.
I want a franchise QB more than anyone for this team.....but I don't want it forced. Thats how you get Gabberts.
Quote:I wouldn't trade for Bryce brown for anything more than a 5th rounder. He's had some nice games and I think he can be a good contributor, but you'd be getting a guy who would need a contract extension relatively soon. I think a 4th or 5th round rookie should be able to give you similar production and be cheaper. It would be better value.
That is only if we draft a REAL RB, not a guy like Denard Robinson.
Gaffney and Wilder Jr have 4-5 round grades currently. I wouldn't mind using one of our 4th rounders on one of them.
I'd only be mad about marcedes' contract if it hinders us from signing top flight FAs which it most likely won't. He's probably the best all around TE in the league especially with his late surge.
Quote:Making negative comments on BAD results i.e. the Coordinators is hardly fishing for a response.
If I was making negative comments on something that was clearly "GOOD" and then you might actually have a point, but that has not happened.
Gus is gonna keep his coordinators out of loyalty which could be the double edged sword. attacking coordinators who have just ONE year here with minimal talent.
You give NO ONE a chance to evolve before you're ready for them to go.
Who can make gold out of crap? I have yet to see a coordinator do that.
Quote:I wouldn't trade for Bryce brown for anything more than a 5th rounder. He's had some nice games and I think he can be a good contributor, but you'd be getting a guy who would need a contract extension relatively soon. I think a 4th or 5th round rookie should be able to give you similar production and be cheaper. It would be better value.
That is only if we draft a REAL RB, not a guy like Denard Robinson.
Brown had impressive games last season 2 to the clip of 170 yards. He recently had a 100 yard game, too. He seems to produce when he gets consistent playing time.
He's got great size and really good quickness for that size.
He's just about as young as most of the rookies you'd draft.
I think trading a 4th rounder for Brown could wind up a steal for the Jags and would be great Todman insurance or as a tandem with him.
Quote:Brown had impressive games last season 2 to the clip of 170 yards. He recently had a 100 yard game, too. He seems to produce when he gets consistent playing time.
He's got great size and really good quickness for that size.
He's just about as young as most of the rookies you'd draft.
I think trading a 4th rounder for Brown could wind up a steal for the Jags and would be great Todman insurance or as a tandem with him.
I wouldn't be against that. Ideally you want your own guys but thinking about the fact that we have 2 4th rounders and 3 5th rounders, adding a guy like Brown at a position of need like RB wouldn't be a bad idea.
Quote:Gus is gonna keep his coordinators out of loyalty which could be the double edged sword. attacking coordinators who have just ONE year here with minimal talent.
You give NO ONE a chance to evolve before you're ready for them to go.
Who can make gold out of crap? I have yet to see a coordinator do that.
I'm not asking for miracles.
But you look to see some OVER achieving. Coaches (as well as) QB's who do more with less.
As said, a -200 point differential is embarrassing and disappointing even for this roster.
Coughlin managed to get a POSITIVE point differential 2 straight years with 2 bad teams that went 6-10.
Had the Jags Coordinators merely been able to preside over a point differential of say 300 for, 400 against, which would have been a 100 point improvement, I wouldn't be calling for their jobs as I am now. Or even that one game vs a good team where they showed something. Even JDR's 2003 team beat Indy ( a winning team) by comparison.
Quote:I actually liked what he said there.
I want a franchise QB more than anyone for this team.....but I don't want it forced. Thats how you get Gabberts.
At the same time, you can't have QB fear. Right now our starting Quarterback for next year is Chad Henne. He'll probably end up starting the year. And that's fine. But having a guy who can beat him out would be nice. If you keep waiting for THE guy, you might wind up like the Jaguars are now. Where choosing Blaine Gabbert will set you back a few years.
Quote:At the same time, you can't have QB fear. Right now our starting Quarterback for next year is Chad Henne. He'll probably end up starting the year. And that's fine. But having a guy who can beat him out would be nice. If you keep waiting for THE guy, you might wind up like the Jaguars are now. Where choosing Blaine Gabbert will set you back a few years.
I have no doubt that at least one QB will be brought in next year, probably 2. I didn't take Caldwell's comments to mean that we wouldn't. I took Caldwell's comments more so to mean that we won't be reaching for a stiff like Hundley (just as one example) with a higher pick than he deserves. Value has to meet need. Thats how you get the most out of the draft. Good GM's operate that way, unlike Gene Smith, for example.
Quote:I'd like it better if he wasn't as.
Being transparent as he is is something the fans and probably local media like, but isn't exactly doing yourself any favors in regards to showing your cards to the opponents.
They openly said they were in love with Geno Smith after meeting with him on multiple occasions, and then passed on him twice. He knows what he's doing.
Quote:At the same time, you can't have QB fear. Right now our starting Quarterback for next year is Chad Henne. He'll probably end up starting the year. And that's fine. But having a guy who can beat him out would be nice. If you keep waiting for THE guy, you might wind up like the Jaguars are now. Where choosing Blaine Gabbert will set you back a few years.
Actually its Blaine Gabbert lol Henne is a FA. That's even a scarier thought hahaha
Quote:They openly said they were in love with Geno Smith after meeting with him on multiple occasions, and then passed on him twice. He knows what he's doing.
The inability of finding a trade partner (to trade down and amass picks) could be a symptom of being too transparent. Not saying definite, just something to keep an eye on.
Quote:The inability of finding a trade partner (to trade down and amass picks) could be a symptom of being too transparent. Not saying definite, just something to keep an eye on.
we traded down last year and picked up Ace Sanders. Caldwell has had 1 draft and traded down once already. I'm sure he doesn't need our advice
Quote:we traded down last year and picked up Ace Sanders. Caldwell has had 1 draft and traded down once already. I'm sure he doesn't need our advice
I was referring more to the 1st round type, not later round manuevering. Team's in the Jaguars situation (unless able to get THE QB with the pick) usually are better off if they can score deals early in the draft that can parlay higher early draft picks into a package of picks that can be used to address multiple needs, but are still relatively high picks themselves.
Quote:I was referring more to the 1st round type, not later round manuevering.
I know you were, but my point is you have nothing of substance to imply that Caldwell may not have what it takes to move down in the 1st round if need be.. "the inability to find a trade partner" was primarily because there was no RG3 at #2 last year. Im sure he had calls about trading up, but noone was willing to give anything substantial for us to move down. THAT was the reason we didn't trade down, and everyone knows it. You, of course, like to casually imply it's because Caldwell runs his mouth too much.