Quote:I'm not impressed by the throws themselves. I'm impressed by the recognition, the athleticism, and the clutch factor he has. His throws, on the other hand, are only mediocre. If he didn't have the other things going for him his arm and accuracy would receive a lot of criticism. However, since he's so good at all the parts that are most important, his arm strength and accuracy are easily overlooked.
I think the recognition, athleticism and clutch factor are all part of what people give Luck credit for. They all go into the final product of his throws.
Quote:I think the recognition, athleticism and clutch factor are all part of what people give Luck credit for. They all go into the final product of his throws.
Of course.
His anticipation and ability to throw guys open deep are excellent, but his accuracy and velocity are frequently subpar.
Think about the game against the Jaguars where he started the game throwing an INT, having another INT called back by a ticky-tack foul, and bouncing a few others off our guys' hands. That's not at all unusual for him. He just makes up for it with the rest of his game.
Honestly I think his speed and vision running are probably his best attribute right now. It's how he keeps drives going.
He's not as good as people are making him out to be, that's all. I never said I don't think he CAN be elite. All I said is that this season he was average, and last season almost mediocre. Of course I would take him on the Jags. I'd take 20 other team's QBs over ours.
Quote:He's not as good as people are making him out to be, that's all. I never said I don't think he CAN be elite. All I said is that this season he was average, and last season almost mediocre. Of course I would take him on the Jags. I'd take 20 other team's QBs over ours.
I think you'd like him if he had better or more shoes.
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Quote:I'm not impressed by the throws themselves. I'm impressed by the recognition, the athleticism, and the clutch factor he has. His throws, on the other hand, are only mediocre. If he didn't have the other things going for him his arm and accuracy would receive a lot of criticism. However, since he's so good at all the parts that are most important, his arm strength and accuracy are easily overlooked.
He was making pinpoint accurate throws with great velocity on the ball, while getting clobbered. I'm pretty sure he has an elite arm too, along with everything else you mentioned. He will be a special qb in time, as long as they give him time to survey the field. The only negative I can say is he has inconsistent decision making at times, but when your offensive line gives you no time and your defense is allow Blount to run wild and you're trying to lead a come back, kind of hard for him to use his intelligence.
As a jags fan though, I hope they never improve that offensive line and don't give him any weapons or a running game. Or a great defense.
This thread is a joke right?
The guy has played just two seasons and in both seasons he's led (Key word) LED his team to the playoffs... including leading his team to the 2nd greatest comeback in NFL history. (Damn, if only the chiefs could've scored one more TD, I'd finally be free of hearing the name of Frank Reich and "the comeback" every time I turn on NFLN this time of year.)
Those who think this guy is only "just above average" are completely full of crap and don't know what the heck they're talking about. Andrew Luck is only going to get better from here on out and his play thus far has been way "above average". As a divisional rival it kills me to say that, but it's the truth. "just above average" QBs don't take a team from a #1 ovrl pick to the playoffs in consecutive seasons.
Lets not kid ourselves.. the "just above average" Jags fan would be doing back flips right now if Luck was their signal caller.
Quote:This thread is a joke right?
The guy has played just two seasons and in both seasons he's led (Key word) LED his team to the playoffs... including leading his team to the 2nd greatest comeback in NFL history. (Damn, if only the chiefs could've scored one more TD, I'd finally be free of hearing the name of Frank Reich and "the comeback" every time I turn on NFLN this time of year.)
Those who think this guy is only "just above average" are completely full of crap and don't know what the heck they're talking about. Andrew Luck is only going to get better from here on out and his play thus far has been way "above average". As a divisional rival it kills me to say that, but it's the truth. "just above average" QBs don't take a team from a #1 ovrl pick to the playoffs in consecutive seasons.
Lets not kid ourselves.. the "just above average" Jags fan would be doing back flips right now if Luck was their signal caller.
Coming to a Jaguars board and complaining that the Jaguars fans aren't lavishing sloppy wet kisses all over another team's player is somehow shocking to you?
Quote:This thread is a joke right?
The guy has played just two seasons and in both seasons he's led (Key word) LED his team to the playoffs... including leading his team to the 2nd greatest comeback in NFL history. (Damn, if only the chiefs could've scored one more TD, I'd finally be free of hearing the name of Frank Reich and "the comeback" every time I turn on NFLN this time of year.)
Those who think this guy is only "just above average" are completely full of crap and don't know what the heck they're talking about. Andrew Luck is only going to get better from here on out and his play thus far has been way "above average". As a divisional rival it kills me to say that, but it's the truth. "just above average" QBs don't take a team from a #1 ovrl pick to the playoffs in consecutive seasons.
Lets not kid ourselves.. the "just above average" Jags fan would be doing back flips right now if Luck was their signal caller.
No one's going to call a guy that threw 7 INTs in two playoff games anything over "above average".
I'm not, at least.
The sky is the limit for Luck but he's nowhere close to it right now. Not until he limits his mistakes. It's the only thing holding him back for me.
Quote:Coming to a Jaguars board and complaining that the Jaguars fans aren't lavishing sloppy wet kisses all over another team's player is somehow shocking to you?
It's shocking how football-dumb some Jags fans are.
Quote:It's shocking how football-dumb some Jags fans are.
I'm not shocked by how football-dumb almost every colts fan I meet is.
That aside, though, it isn't particularly strange that people rooting against a team and player (which any Jaguars fan hoping for Jaguars success is intrinsically doing) are going to focus on that player's weaknesses while those rooting for that team/player would focus instead on the strengths.
Quote:Coming to a Jaguars board and complaining that the Jaguars fans aren't lavishing sloppy wet kisses all over another team's player is somehow shocking to you?
I've been posting on this board for over a decade now.. So no, I'm not shocked and I don't expect Jag fans to "lavish sloppy wet kisses" over another team's player. (especially in a "AFC South Forum") I only expect them to know what the hell they're talking about and in this thread it's clear that some don't.
How can a rookie QB that leads his team (who had the worst record in the league) to a playoff appearance in his first season.. then leads his team to the 2nd greatest comeback of all time get deemed overrated? Tell me that?
This thread stinks of straight hateraid and jealously.
Again like I said before.. Jag fans would be doing back flips if Luck was on their team and the entire narrative of this thread would change (including yours)
Quote:I'm not shocked by how football-dumb almost every colts fan I meet is.
That aside, though, it isn't particularly strange that people rooting against a team and player (which any Jaguars fan hoping for Jaguars success is intrinsically doing) are going to focus on that player's weaknesses while those rooting for that team/player would focus instead on the strengths.
So you freely admit that you are just a hater. So your opinion is clearly biased?
I don't want Luck to succeed and I hope he fails miserably, but that isn't going to make me stick my fingers in my ears, close my eyes, and ignore what is happening in front of my face.
Quote:So you freely admit that you are just a hater. So your opinion is clearly biased?
I don't want Luck to succeed and I hope he fails miserably, but that isn't going to make me stick my fingers in my ears, close my eyes, and ignore what is happening in front of my face.
No, there's two sides to every issue. Sort of like Manning. You can focus on all of his regular season success and yardage or TD records, or you can focus on his losing postseason record.
Luck isn't God on a football field by a stretch. Sure he's the best QB in the division right now, but that doesn't mean he's without flaws.
That Jaguars fans would see his flaws more easily than colts fans isn't at all surprising and in no way makes those observations incorrect.
Quote:No, there's two sides to every issue. Sort of like Manning. You can focus on all of his regular season success and yardage or TD records, or you can focus on his losing postseason record.
Luck isn't God on a football field by a stretch. Sure he's the best QB in the division right now, but that doesn't mean he's without flaws.
That Jaguars fans would see his flaws more easily than colts fans isn't at all surprising and in no way makes those observations incorrect.
The title of this thread isn't "Luck is god or Luck has no flaws".. or even about "the two sides of Manning". The title of this thread is "Luck is just about average".. which is completely false Manning could lose every playoff game from here on out and fans still wouldn't call him "just above average.
Quote:The title of this thread isn't "Luck is god or Luck has no flaws".. or even about "the two sides of Manning". The title of this thread is "Luck is just about average".. which is completely false Manning could lose every playoff game from here on out and fans still wouldn't call him "just above average.
Gotcha, the title of the thread is all that's important.
Quote:Gotcha, the title of the thread is all that's important.
WTH.. really
That's all you pulled out of this debate. LOL
Quote:WTH.. really
That's all you pulled out of this debate. LOL
Congratulations, this has gotten too pointlessly juvenile for me to continue.
Quote:This thread is a joke right?
The guy has played just two seasons and in both seasons he's led (Key word) LED his team to the playoffs... including leading his team to the 2nd greatest comeback in NFL history. (Damn, if only the chiefs could've scored one more TD, I'd finally be free of hearing the name of Frank Reich and "the comeback" every time I turn on NFLN this time of year.)
Those who think this guy is only "just above average" are completely full of crap and don't know what the heck they're talking about. Andrew Luck is only going to get better from here on out and his play thus far has been way "above average". As a divisional rival it kills me to say that, but it's the truth. "just above average" QBs don't take a team from a #1 ovrl pick to the playoffs in consecutive seasons.
Lets not kid ourselves.. the "just above average" Jags fan would be doing back flips right now if Luck was their signal caller.
without question
Quote:It's shocking how football-dumb some Jags fans are.
Its scary, honestly.
I hate to be one of these provincial Northeast types, but we really do seem to at least discuss football more objectively than most fans down there. I know not all of them fall into that category described above, but there are indeed a sect that do. Theres also another sect of some really smart fans like Bullseye for example that sees things as they are.
Suggestion. Maybe you guys should stop arguing semantics about what the word "above-average" means (apparently that means suck to some people and really good to others), and start talking about where he ranks in the NFL. And I mean where he ranks NOW, not where he's going to rank 3 years from now.
Quote:Andrew Luck impressed me against New england. I think he deserves the hype. He can make throws that only the elite qbs can make. Fortunately for the jaguars, the colts will struggle to surround him with talent as long as they are trading picks for disappointing players.
I think David Garrard played better against s better new England team in 07. He wasn't elite