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(03-07-2018, 01:02 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Ok I’m fine with this as long as this means we get to keep Colvin

I would hope so! It's amazing how much better your offense is when you have a defense that can get 3 and outs.

Jalen Ramsey may be a shut down corner but per Twitter has zero clue how the salary cap works. Love these guys going to bat for their teammates but the social media campaigns get a little old.

(03-07-2018, 01:15 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Jalen Ramsey may be a shut down corner but per Twitter has zero clue how the salary cap works. Love these guys going to bat for their teammates but the social media campaigns get a little old.

As long as he's on the field every sunday shutting down the opponents best WR, who cares

ARob gets 4yr 60mil to 70mil on the open market vs. 4yr 50mil with the Jags...hmmm, it's not that complicated.

(03-07-2018, 01:38 AM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]ARob gets 4yr 60mil to 70mil on the open market vs. 4yr 50mil with the Jags...hmmm, it's not that complicated.

It is to those that don't realize that 10 - 20 million could be used to upgrade the roster or sign or resign more important players

(03-07-2018, 12:02 AM)BamboozledAgain Wrote: [ -> ]Alot of people think our offense will regress without him. How is that possible, he didint play last year. He is not our biggest need. TE and OG is. Werent we in the top ten in offense last year? Caldwell and co. even said they were going to fix the offense to go with our D. Trust the process. I for one would take last year over the last 3 with Arob any day!

I don't think people are saying our Offense will regress without him, considering he didn't play this past season. I believe it's more along the lines of how much better this Offense would be with ARob out there on the field. 

He was our best Offensive player going into this past season. We all seen how good this Secondary (especially the Corners) was this season and ARob was flat out destroying this Secondary during Camp/OTAs/Preseason.

I've said it before, but our offense is generally better without ARob. Our offense stagnates when ARob is force fed the ball because he is a low catch percentage guy. He is the equivalent of a Carmelo Anthony that needs volume to produce. If we had another receiver who could pull down 100 receptions at an efficient rate, ARob would be a perfect compliment, but we don't.

I would have liked to see him retained, but in reality he will never be worth $15 million. If he is the primary receiving target your offense will regress and he won't be worth it. If you pair him with a high reception partner, then is 70 catches per year worth $15 million? Probably not.

It sucks that he was the only pass catcher on the roster that should be starting games in the NFL. Blake needs a lot of help.

(03-07-2018, 02:01 AM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]I've said it before, but our offense is generally better without ARob.  Our offense stagnates when ARob is force fed the ball because he is a low catch percentage guy.  He is the equivalent of a Carmelo Anthony that needs volume to produce.  If we had another receiver who could pull down 100 receptions at an efficient rate, ARob would be a perfect compliment, but we don't.

I would have liked to see him retained, but in reality he will never be worth $15 million.  If he is the primary receiving target your offense will regress and he won't be worth it.  If you pair him with a high reception partner, then is 70 catches per year worth $15 million?  Probably not.

It sucks that he was the only pass catcher on the roster that should be starting games in the NFL.  Blake needs a lot of help.

Let’s not discount the improvement of two rookies. Players make their biggest jump from rookies to their 2nd year. The Westbrook and Cole you saw last year could look completely different come week one.

We have what 29 mil cap space why spend 16 of it on a one year deal for a receiver coming off an acl which unless you are ap takes a year to bounce back from.

With that 29 we can resign Colvin, get a backup qb to push bortles and make a solid push for either a guard or a wide receiver.

I think the flexibility is worth it and lets us go best available from offensive line, tight end and wide receiver in the first 2 rounds

(03-07-2018, 04:51 AM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-07-2018, 02:01 AM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]I've said it before, but our offense is generally better without ARob.  Our offense stagnates when ARob is force fed the ball because he is a low catch percentage guy.  He is the equivalent of a Carmelo Anthony that needs volume to produce.  If we had another receiver who could pull down 100 receptions at an efficient rate, ARob would be a perfect compliment, but we don't.

I would have liked to see him retained, but in reality he will never be worth $15 million.  If he is the primary receiving target your offense will regress and he won't be worth it.  If you pair him with a high reception partner, then is 70 catches per year worth $15 million?  Probably not.

It sucks that he was the only pass catcher on the roster that should be starting games in the NFL.  Blake needs a lot of help.

Let’s not discount the improvement of two rookies. Players make their biggest just from rookies to their 2nd year. The Westbrook and Cole you saw last year could look completely different come week one.

I hope so. They both looked good in flashes last year. At this point in time, however, they haven't shown themselves to be starting NFL receivers. They look like solid depth guys that can make a handful of impact plays throughout the year.

We still haven't found a top 10 wide receiver that can take over a game since Jimmy Smith. We had a cup of tea with Justin Blackmon who was that type of player. Allen Robinson, even in 2015, was never that kind of player. He has had maybe one game in his career where he dominated.

The local media is in full meltdown. The TU dunderbok sez it's ABSURD that we're pointing out Robinson missed all of last season and we made it to the AFC Title game without him.

I respond, "All he does is jump up in the air, catch the football, and fall down on the spot. Is that really the Jaguars' goal? Whatever happened to throw the ball deep and let the WR run under it and catch for a touchdown? Shouldn't that be the goal instead? Why would we want a guy who falls down on the job? We want a WR who knows how to run under the deep throw, catch it in stride, and use his physical skills to score a touchdown. That should be the goal of the Jaguars' offense."

(03-07-2018, 05:59 AM)ukjag34 Wrote: [ -> ]We have what 29 mil cap space why spend 16 of it on a one year deal for a receiver coming off an acl which unless you are ap takes a year to bounce back from.

With that 29 we can resign Colvin, get a backup qb to push bortles and make a solid push for either a guard or a wide receiver.

I think the flexibility is worth it and lets us go best available from offensive line, tight end and wide receiver in the first 2 rounds

Make a solid push at a WR???

The market is one of the worst WR markets in the last 10 years. Especially considering so many people on this board think ARob is average and he’s the best one out there.

ARob would make this offense better. That’s not even debatable at this point. At 16 million, yea it may be too much but I’m hoping they work out a deal.

(03-07-2018, 02:01 AM)FreeAgent01 Wrote: [ -> ]I've said it before, but our offense is generally better without ARob.  Our offense stagnates when ARob is force fed the ball because he is a low catch percentage guy.  He is the equivalent of a Carmelo Anthony that needs volume to produce.  If we had another receiver who could pull down 100 receptions at an efficient rate, ARob would be a perfect compliment, but we don't.

Nonsense.

I've said it before: there has to be a limit.  In the past, I've obsessed during free agency, hoping the team would be willing to break the bank for this guy or that guy.  3-13 will do that to you.  Desperation.  But when you have built a talented roster, and you want to compete for years to come, you have to start to set limits.  You have to have some sort of budget.  Spending money means making choices.  

It's like the team has grown up.  We're no longer children.  "Daddy, buy me this!  Daddy, buy me that!"  

As the team improves, we start to get into a salary cap squeeze, and we have to be strict with our money.  That's what good teams do.   Bad teams have unlimited cap space because they don't have any good players to begin with.   Good teams have to be disciplined.

I guarantee you, if Allan Robinson signs a blockbuster deal, it will be with some crap team that has all kinds of cap space and is desperate to spend some money and get some players.  Thank God we are no longer in that situation.

Can we also stop saying he was destroying this secondary in training camp? The full secondary didn’t even play together until the first game of the season. He was out there abusing Patmon and Myrick lol

(03-07-2018, 08:41 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I've said it before: there has to be a limit.  In the past, I've obsessed during free agency, hoping the team would be willing to break the bank for this guy or that guy.  3-13 will do that to you.  Desperation.  But when you have built a talented roster, and you want to compete for years to come, you have to start to set limits.  You have to have some sort of budget.  Spending money means making choices.  

It's like the team has grown up.  We're no longer children.  "Daddy, buy me this!  Daddy, buy me that!"  

As the team improves, we start to get into a salary cap squeeze, and we have to be strict with our money.  That's what good teams do.   Bad teams have unlimited cap space because they don't have any good players to begin with.   Good teams have to be disciplined.

I guarantee you, if Allan Robinson signs a blockbuster deal, it will be with some crap team that has all kinds of cap space and is desperate to spend some money and get some players.  Thank God we are no longer in that situation.

Yeah, can you imagine the reactions if the Jaguars had selected Eastern Washington WR, Cooper Kupp, in the third round instead of Dawuane Smoot? 

Caldwell doesn't draft the best player available. Better NFL teams do. 

Is it really the goal of the organization to stack pass rushers? Why didn't Caldwell trust his own work in free agency? Calais Campbell was signed in March.

Drafting Smoot over Kupp in the third round last year was a gigantic error on his part. He didn't want to hurt Robinson's tender feelings by bringing in competition? He didn't want to frighten young and tender Allen? Is it really the goal of the Jaguars to draft less talented players on purpose so they can build a second string with a huge talent gap?

I really don't know why Tom Coughlin is holding onto Caldwell. Really?

The stupidity is acidic in here.

(03-07-2018, 09:55 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]The stupidity is acidic in here.

COOPER KUPP
Ht.: 6-1 Wt.: 205 Age: 24
15 - Games
6 - Games started
62 - Receptions
869 - Reception Yards
14 - Yards Per Catch
64 - Longest Catch
5 - Receiving TDs

DAWUANE SMOOT
Ht.: 6-3 Wt.: 264 Age: 23
16 - Games
0 - Games started
14 - Solo tackles
6 - Ast. tackles
0 - Sacks

(03-07-2018, 09:51 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-07-2018, 08:41 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I've said it before: there has to be a limit.  In the past, I've obsessed during free agency, hoping the team would be willing to break the bank for this guy or that guy.  3-13 will do that to you.  Desperation.  But when you have built a talented roster, and you want to compete for years to come, you have to start to set limits.  You have to have some sort of budget.  Spending money means making choices.  

It's like the team has grown up.  We're no longer children.  "Daddy, buy me this!  Daddy, buy me that!"  

As the team improves, we start to get into a salary cap squeeze, and we have to be strict with our money.  That's what good teams do.   Bad teams have unlimited cap space because they don't have any good players to begin with.   Good teams have to be disciplined.

I guarantee you, if Allan Robinson signs a blockbuster deal, it will be with some crap team that has all kinds of cap space and is desperate to spend some money and get some players.  Thank God we are no longer in that situation.

Yeah, can you imagine the reactions if the Jaguars had selected Eastern Washington WR, Cooper Kupp, in the third round instead of Dawuane Smoot? 

Caldwell doesn't draft the best player available. Better NFL teams do. 

Is it really the goal of the organization to stack pass rushers? Why didn't Caldwell trust his own work in free agency? Calais Campbell was signed in March.

Drafting Smoot over Kupp in the third round last year was a gigantic error on his part. He didn't want to hurt Robinson's tender feelings by bringing in competition? He didn't want to frighten young and tender Allen? Is it really the goal of the Jaguars to draft less talented players on purpose so they can build a second string with a huge talent gap?

I really don't know why Tom Coughlin is holding onto Caldwell. Really?

We really won’t know this for at least another 2 years. If smoot turns into a 10 sack guy and Cupp is still just a slot getting 600 yards and 3tds that was a win for us.

(03-07-2018, 09:51 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-07-2018, 08:41 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I've said it before: there has to be a limit.  In the past, I've obsessed during free agency, hoping the team would be willing to break the bank for this guy or that guy.  3-13 will do that to you.  Desperation.  But when you have built a talented roster, and you want to compete for years to come, you have to start to set limits.  You have to have some sort of budget.  Spending money means making choices.  

It's like the team has grown up.  We're no longer children.  "Daddy, buy me this!  Daddy, buy me that!"  

As the team improves, we start to get into a salary cap squeeze, and we have to be strict with our money.  That's what good teams do.   Bad teams have unlimited cap space because they don't have any good players to begin with.   Good teams have to be disciplined.

I guarantee you, if Allan Robinson signs a blockbuster deal, it will be with some crap team that has all kinds of cap space and is desperate to spend some money and get some players.  Thank God we are no longer in that situation.

Yeah, can you imagine the reactions if the Jaguars had selected Eastern Washington WR, Cooper Kupp, in the third round instead of Dawuane Smoot? 

Caldwell doesn't draft the best player available. Better NFL teams do. 

Is it really the goal of the organization to stack pass rushers? Why didn't Caldwell trust his own work in free agency? Calais Campbell was signed in March.

Drafting Smoot over Kupp in the third round last year was a gigantic error on his part. He didn't want to hurt Robinson's tender feelings by bringing in competition? He didn't want to frighten young and tender Allen? Is it really the goal of the Jaguars to draft less talented players on purpose so they can build a second string with a huge talent gap?

I really don't know why Tom Coughlin is holding onto Caldwell. Really?

It was Shad who just gave Caldwell his extension...    There is more to being a GM than looking for players..  My guess is that TC has no interest in doing the  routine stuff a GM does that we really don't know about..  After all, guru TC was there when they went  for Smoot..  I agree Kupp is a great small college talent who did what  I expected after watching his career at EWU..  But not all small college WR's even if they have wonderful stats and careers get a sniff at the NFL..