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Yeah I don’t see 1300 and 10 tds in the first year on a bum knee. He’s a 50/50 ball guy. He has never been the type to feast on opposing defenses with expert route running and speed lol. He’s a deep/jump ball receiver that doesn’t get much seperation and can be removed from the game with one db. It is what it is. Love the guy, wished he’d stay but he won’t eat like that in San Fran. Maybe here he would because he gets true man coverage all game but they don’t have the run game to command 8 in the box. He’d be removed from the game rather easily and called a free agent bust.
(03-07-2018, 04:39 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I don’t see 1300 and 10 tds in the first year on a bum knee. He’s a 50/50 ball guy. He has never been the type to feast on opposing defenses with expert route running and speed lol. He’s a deep/jump ball receiver that doesn’t get much seperation and can be removed from the game with one db. It is what it is. Love the guy, wished he’d stay but he won’t eat like that in San Fran. Maybe here he would because he gets true man coverage all game but they don’t have the run game to command 8 in the box. He’d be removed from the game rather easily and called a free agent bust.
I think people forget this. After his 1400 yard year teams figured how to take him out of the game. Basically man press and bracket coverage. 2015 he had 80 catches for 1400 yards. 2016 he had 73 catches for 883 yards. The opportunities were the same but he wasn’t getting wide open anymore. His play contributed to Bortles regression but that’s often overlooked as well. The burning question is can he overcome beating press man and bracket coverage or will he forever be a WR2? Is that’s worth a top 5 contract?
(03-07-2018, 04:26 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 03:48 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The grass isn't always greener on the other side. If he goes to SF, I don't think it will be a perfect match. ARob needs a QB that has a good deep ball and we haven't seen that from Jimmy yet. I don't want him to go to Indy though if Luck is healthy
Who did Jimmy G have to throw to?
If ARob goes to SF, you can pretty much pencil in 1300 and 10 TDs from ARob. Shannahan would get the absolute most out of ARob.
I don't think he will get 1300, probably 10 TDs though. I think he would be better in Chi
(03-07-2018, 04:09 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 03:48 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The grass isn't always greener on the other side. If he goes to SF, I don't think it will be a perfect match. ARob needs a QB that has a good deep ball and we haven't seen that from Jimmy yet. I don't want him to go to Indy though if Luck is healthy
I'd be of the opinion that Arob is much more than just a deep ball guy. Shanahan and Jimmy G would get value from him all over the field.
A Rob isn't the best at getting separation. Not to mention he will be going against Sherman, Peterson, and Peters twice a year
(03-07-2018, 12:26 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 11:17 AM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]That Jungle Cat sure does like showing off that brain injury of his.
I think he's one of those Russian trolls, practicing up for the next election.
Very money, Farty! Very money!
(03-07-2018, 04:39 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I don’t see 1300 and 10 tds in the first year on a bum knee. He’s a 50/50 ball guy. He has never been the type to feast on opposing defenses with expert route running and speed lol. He’s a deep/jump ball receiver that doesn’t get much seperation and can be removed from the game with one db. It is what it is. Love the guy, wished he’d stay but he won’t eat like that in San Fran. Maybe here he would because he gets true man coverage all game but they don’t have the run game to command 8 in the box. He’d be removed from the game rather easily and called a free agent bust.
(03-07-2018, 04:50 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 04:39 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I don’t see 1300 and 10 tds in the first year on a bum knee. He’s a 50/50 ball guy. He has never been the type to feast on opposing defenses with expert route running and speed lol. He’s a deep/jump ball receiver that doesn’t get much seperation and can be removed from the game with one db. It is what it is. Love the guy, wished he’d stay but he won’t eat like that in San Fran. Maybe here he would because he gets true man coverage all game but they don’t have the run game to command 8 in the box. He’d be removed from the game rather easily and called a free agent bust.
I think people forget this. After his 1400 yard year teams figured how to take him out of the game. Basically man press and bracket coverage. 2015 he had 80 catches for 1400 yards. 2016 he had 73 catches for 883 yards. The opportunities were the same but he wasn’t getting wide open anymore. His play contributed to Bortles regression but that’s often overlooked as well. The burning question is can he overcome beating press man and bracket coverage or will he forever be a WR2? Is that’s worth a top 5 contract?
Yep, plus going against Sherman, Peterson, and Peters twice a year
(03-07-2018, 05:14 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 04:39 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I don’t see 1300 and 10 tds in the first year on a bum knee. He’s a 50/50 ball guy. He has never been the type to feast on opposing defenses with expert route running and speed lol. He’s a deep/jump ball receiver that doesn’t get much seperation and can be removed from the game with one db. It is what it is. Love the guy, wished he’d stay but he won’t eat like that in San Fran. Maybe here he would because he gets true man coverage all game but they don’t have the run game to command 8 in the box. He’d be removed from the game rather easily and called a free agent bust.
(03-07-2018, 04:50 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]I think people forget this. After his 1400 yard year teams figured how to take him out of the game. Basically man press and bracket coverage. 2015 he had 80 catches for 1400 yards. 2016 he had 73 catches for 883 yards. The opportunities were the same but he wasn’t getting wide open anymore. His play contributed to Bortles regression but that’s often overlooked as well. The burning question is can he overcome beating press man and bracket coverage or will he forever be a WR2? Is that’s worth a top 5 contract?
Yep, plus going against Sherman, Peterson, and Peters twice a year
Right opposed to who ever the hell the tack, clots and tinhorns are rolling out there these days lol. And no 8/9 man boxes lol. He would actually meet his incentive laced deal here easier with a run heavy team.
I honestly feel Chi is the best place for him if he leaves here. I think Trubisky improves and he has a nice deep ball
(03-07-2018, 05:09 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 04:26 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Who did Jimmy G have to throw to?
If ARob goes to SF, you can pretty much pencil in 1300 and 10 TDs from ARob. Shannahan would get the absolute most out of ARob.
I don't think he will get 1300, probably 10 TDs though. I think he would be better in Chi
(03-07-2018, 04:09 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I'd be of the opinion that Arob is much more than just a deep ball guy. Shanahan and Jimmy G would get value from him all over the field.
A Rob isn't the best at getting separation. Not to mention he will be going against Sherman, Peterson, and Peters twice a year
Got plenty of separation in 2015 and in college. Shanahans the best offensive mind at creating space for WRs too.
He's much more well rounded than his 2016 performance would indicate.
It's funny how early on the entire fanbase except for oline matters was in unison saying we want to give Arob a deal or at the very least tag him, even to the point of ridiculing oline matters for not going along with the hoard. Now the Jags decide not to tag him and there is a whole lot of "not worth the money" and "down year and then injured" and "50/50 jump ball only player" and more going on.
What changed? Nothing. Stop being sycophantic the reasons to want to keep Arob are just as strong now as they were then.
(03-07-2018, 06:27 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny how early on the entire fanbase except for oline matters was in unison saying we want to give Arob a deal or at the very least tag him, even to the point of ridiculing oline matters for not going along with the hoard. Now the Jags decide not to tag him and there is a whole lot of "not worth the money" and "down year and then injured" and "50/50 jump ball only player" and more going on.
What changed? Nothing. Stop being sycophantic the reasons to want to keep Arob are just as strong now as they were then.
What changed... well it is the offseason. People seem to like being contrary for the sake of posting in a topic.
Just saw A-Rob at Publix. He was buying the ingredients for a deep dish Chicago style pie. Hmmmmmmm?.
Then again, he also had a couple of packs of bologna. Soooooo.
(03-07-2018, 06:27 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny how early on the entire fanbase except for oline matters was in unison saying we want to give Arob a deal or at the very least tag him, even to the point of ridiculing oline matters for not going along with the hoard. Now the Jags decide not to tag him and there is a whole lot of "not worth the money" and "down year and then injured" and "50/50 jump ball only player" and more going on.
What changed? Nothing. Stop being sycophantic the reasons to want to keep Arob are just as strong now as they were then.
I havent seen many people say they dont want ARob back but there has to be a limit. If Dave didnt have a price limit on players Oliver Vernon would be here and we probably wouldnt have Yannick or Campbell. No one here knows what ARob is asking for behind close doors or if he even really wants to be here
(03-07-2018, 05:29 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 05:09 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think he will get 1300, probably 10 TDs though. I think he would be better in Chi
A Rob isn't the best at getting separation. Not to mention he will be going against Sherman, Peterson, and Peters twice a year
Got plenty of separation in 2015 and in college. Shanahans the best offensive mind at creating space for WRs too.
He's much more well rounded than his 2016 performance would indicate.
Thats what most of us thought in 2016, wish he would of showed it
(03-07-2018, 04:51 AM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Let’s not discount the improvement of two rookies. Players make their biggest jump from rookies to their 2nd year. The Westbrook and Cole you saw last year could look completely different come week one.
The Robinson you'll see this year could look completely different than the guy you fondly remember. An ACL tear can do that to you.
(03-07-2018, 08:41 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I've said it before: there has to be a limit. In the past, I've obsessed during free agency, hoping the team would be willing to break the bank for this guy or that guy. 3-13 will do that to you. Desperation. But when you have built a talented roster, and you want to compete for years to come, you have to start to set limits. You have to have some sort of budget. Spending money means making choices.
It's like the team has grown up. We're no longer children. "Daddy, buy me this! Daddy, buy me that!"
As the team improves, we start to get into a salary cap squeeze, and we have to be strict with our money. That's what good teams do. Bad teams have unlimited cap space because they don't have any good players to begin with. Good teams have to be disciplined.
I guarantee you, if Allan Robinson signs a blockbuster deal, it will be with some crap team that has all kinds of cap space and is desperate to spend some money and get some players. Thank God we are no longer in that situation.
Print this and frame it. It is the perfect post...some choice quotes:
- "Spending money means making choices."
- "Good teams have to be disciplined."
(03-07-2018, 06:27 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny how early on the entire fanbase except for oline matters was in unison saying we want to give Arob a deal or at the very least tag him, even to the point of ridiculing oline matters for not going along with the hoard. Now the Jags decide not to tag him and there is a whole lot of "not worth the money" and "down year and then injured" and "50/50 jump ball only player" and more going on.
What changed? Nothing. Stop being sycophantic the reasons to want to keep Arob are just as strong now as they were then.
Just people trying to convince themselves that we don't need him when they know better.
Aayone who thinks losing him won't hurt us is out of there mind.
(03-07-2018, 06:50 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 06:27 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny how early on the entire fanbase except for oline matters was in unison saying we want to give Arob a deal or at the very least tag him, even to the point of ridiculing oline matters for not going along with the hoard. Now the Jags decide not to tag him and there is a whole lot of "not worth the money" and "down year and then injured" and "50/50 jump ball only player" and more going on.
What changed? Nothing. Stop being sycophantic the reasons to want to keep Arob are just as strong now as they were then.
I havent seen many people say they dont want ARob back but there has to be a limit. If Dave didnt have a price limit on players Oliver Vernon would be here and we probably wouldnt have Yannick or Campbell. No one here knows what ARob is asking for behind close doors or if he even really wants to be here
(03-07-2018, 05:29 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Got plenty of separation in 2015 and in college. Shanahans the best offensive mind at creating space for WRs too.
He's much more well rounded than his 2016 performance would indicate.
Thats what most of us thought in 2016, wish he would of showed it
Having a terrible OC, QB play, scheme and all round coaching tends to reduce the ability of top talent.
Lol y’all crack me up. We literally went to the AFC Championship game without him last year. We do not need him lol. What they hell are y’all talking about.
Would it be nice to keep him, absolutely. I don’t think anyone thinks the guy sucks but let’s get real for a minute. He’s coming off an ACL and proly can’t even pass a physical right now. That is huge. On top of that his previous year he put up less than 900 yards and 6 tds lol. If you think that’s worth 16 million a year so be it I’m just happy you aren’t running the franchise.
Like stated you have to have limits. Hes not ODB, JJ, AJ or AB. He doesn’t get whatever he wants because he has not shown the ability to produce at a high level consistently to warrant that or have we been so starved for talent we are willing to pay a one legged wr top 5 money because of something he did 2 years ago pre-injury?
Geez lol
(03-07-2018, 07:08 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 06:27 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]It's funny how early on the entire fanbase except for oline matters was in unison saying we want to give Arob a deal or at the very least tag him, even to the point of ridiculing oline matters for not going along with the hoard. Now the Jags decide not to tag him and there is a whole lot of "not worth the money" and "down year and then injured" and "50/50 jump ball only player" and more going on.
What changed? Nothing. Stop being sycophantic the reasons to want to keep Arob are just as strong now as they were then.
Just people trying to convince themselves that we don't need him when they know better.
Aayone who thinks losing him won't hurt us is out of there mind.
What are you talking about? We lost him last year and saw the result lol.
This is getting comical
I guess last year didn’t happen. No ACL no AFCG
Let’s just live in 2015
(03-07-2018, 04:50 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 04:39 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I don’t see 1300 and 10 tds in the first year on a bum knee. He’s a 50/50 ball guy. He has never been the type to feast on opposing defenses with expert route running and speed lol. He’s a deep/jump ball receiver that doesn’t get much seperation and can be removed from the game with one db. It is what it is. Love the guy, wished he’d stay but he won’t eat like that in San Fran. Maybe here he would because he gets true man coverage all game but they don’t have the run game to command 8 in the box. He’d be removed from the game rather easily and called a free agent bust.
I think people forget this. After his 1400 yard year teams figured how to take him out of the game. Basically man press and bracket coverage. 2015 he had 80 catches for 1400 yards. 2016 he had 73 catches for 883 yards. The opportunities were the same but he wasn’t getting wide open anymore. His play contributed to Bortles regression but that’s often overlooked as well. The burning question is can he overcome beating press man and bracket coverage or will he forever be a WR2? Is that’s worth a top 5 contract?
The opportunities weren't the same though, that's the thing.
If he had even slightly below average QB play he would have had 1,000+ yards and close to 10 TDs. WR#1 numbers in other words in a diabolical offensive scheme.
(03-07-2018, 07:27 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]Lol y’all crack me up. We literally went to the AFC Championship game without him last year. We do not need him lol. What they hell are y’all talking about.
Would it be nice to keep him, absolutely. I don’t think anyone thinks the guy sucks but let’s get real for a minute. He’s coming off an ACL and proly can’t even pass a physical right now. That is huge. On top of that his previous year he put up less than 900 yards and 6 tds lol. If you think that’s worth 16 million a year so be it I’m just happy you aren’t running the franchise.
Like stated you have to have limits. Hes not ODB, JJ, AJ or AB. He doesn’t get whatever he wants because he has no shown the ability to produce at a high level consistently to warrant that or have we been so starved for talent we are willing to pay a one legged wr top 5 money because of something he did 2 years ago pre-injury?
Geez lol
(03-07-2018, 07:08 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]Just people trying to convince themselves that we don't need him when they know better.
Aayone who thinks losing him won't hurt us is out of there mind.
What are you talking about? We lost him last year and saw the result lol.
This is getting comical
I guess last year didn’t happen. No ACL no AFCG
Let’s just live in 2015
If we signed him you'd be talking about how much you can't wait to see him on the field next year and how much better he'll make our offense.
(03-07-2018, 07:29 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 04:50 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]I think people forget this. After his 1400 yard year teams figured how to take him out of the game. Basically man press and bracket coverage. 2015 he had 80 catches for 1400 yards. 2016 he had 73 catches for 883 yards. The opportunities were the same but he wasn’t getting wide open anymore. His play contributed to Bortles regression but that’s often overlooked as well. The burning question is can he overcome beating press man and bracket coverage or will he forever be a WR2? Is that’s worth a top 5 contract?
The opportunities weren't the same though, that's the thing.
If he had even slightly below average QB play he would have had 1,000+ yards and close to 10 TDs. WR#1 numbers in other words in a diabolical offensive scheme.
(03-07-2018, 07:27 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]Lol y’all crack me up. We literally went to the AFC Championship game without him last year. We do not need him lol. What they hell are y’all talking about.
Would it be nice to keep him, absolutely. I don’t think anyone thinks the guy sucks but let’s get real for a minute. He’s coming off an ACL and proly can’t even pass a physical right now. That is huge. On top of that his previous year he put up less than 900 yards and 6 tds lol. If you think that’s worth 16 million a year so be it I’m just happy you aren’t running the franchise.
Like stated you have to have limits. Hes not ODB, JJ, AJ or AB. He doesn’t get whatever he wants because he has no shown the ability to produce at a high level consistently to warrant that or have we been so starved for talent we are willing to pay a one legged wr top 5 money because of something he did 2 years ago pre-injury?
Geez lol
What are you talking about? We lost him last year and saw the result lol.
This is getting comical
I guess last year didn’t happen. No ACL no AFCG
Let’s just live in 2015
Wait, do you think we would have been worse with Arob this year?
Of course we would have been better with him but I’m am dealing with what happened not hypotheticals.
The facts are we went to an AFC title game without him and had a top 11 offense. He did tear his ACL prior to any of that happening and his last good year was 2015. Am I missing something?
You damn right I would lol. No one is saying he sucks. I don’t think I’ve said that. But it’s not the end of the world without him like some believe. We literally witnessed what that looks like last year. I have never seen him contribute to a winning season. On top of that he tore his ACL. Why are we dismissing this fact?
Everything I’m talking about is based on what we witnessed. Everything you are speaking on is what you think would happen. We will never see eye to eye when that is the case.
It’s not all or nothing for me. I can want the guy back but say good riddance if the price isn’t right lol.
Very simple concept
(03-07-2018, 07:35 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 07:29 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]The opportunities weren't the same though, that's the thing.
If he had even slightly below average QB play he would have had 1,000+ yards and close to 10 TDs. WR#1 numbers in other words in a diabolical offensive scheme.
Wait, do you think we would have been worse with Arob this year?
Of course we would have been better with him but I’m am dealing with what happened not hypotheticals.
The facts are we went to an AFC title game without him and had a top 11 offense. He did tear his ACL prior to any of that happening and his last good year was 2015. Am I missing something?
You damn right I would lol. No one is saying he sucks. I don’t think I’ve said that. But it’s not the end of the world without him like some believe. We literally witnessed what that looks like last year. I have never seen him contribute to a winning season. On top of that he tore his ACL. Why are we dismissing this fact?
Everything I’m talking about is based on what we witnessed. Everything you are speaking on is what you think would happen. We will never see eye to eye when that is the case.
Yes we had a great season in 2017 without our #1 24 year old pro bowl caliber receiver. Unfortunately we are talking about 2018 and beyond now.
That doesn't mean its a good or wise decision for the front office to let him go either. We would have been better with him last year and we will be better with him if he was here next year.
We have the cap to do it and enough flexibility for it have little impact down the line.
It would be a no brainer to most teams to keep him.
(03-07-2018, 07:42 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]It’s not all or nothing for me. I can want the guy back but say good riddance if the price isn’t right lol.
Very simple concept
What would the right price be for you?
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