(03-07-2018, 10:24 AM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 09:51 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, can you imagine the reactions if the Jaguars had selected Eastern Washington WR, Cooper Kupp, in the third round instead of Dawuane Smoot?
Caldwell doesn't draft the best player available. Better NFL teams do.
Is it really the goal of the organization to stack pass rushers? Why didn't Caldwell trust his own work in free agency? Calais Campbell was signed in March.
Drafting Smoot over Kupp in the third round last year was a gigantic error on his part. He didn't want to hurt Robinson's tender feelings by bringing in competition? He didn't want to frighten young and tender Allen? Is it really the goal of the Jaguars to draft less talented players on purpose so they can build a second string with a huge talent gap?
I really don't know why Tom Coughlin is holding onto Caldwell. Really?
We really won’t know this for at least another 2 years. If smoot turns into a 10 sack guy and Cupp is still just a slot getting 600 yards and 3tds that was a win for us.
A couple of years? Where's Tavon? You can wait around to determine Kupp is exceptionally talented and has a very high probability of sustained greatness in the NFL, but the league is woke.
Imagine this...what if Bortles' last throw sailed into the competent hands of Cooper Kupp and not bounce off Caldwell's latest secret weapon, Westbrook? Sometimes a single botched draft pick is the difference between pretty good and greatness.
Funny, Westbrook graded higher than Kupp, but was drafted a round later. Smoot who was drafted instead of Kupp was taken a round too soon. Did Caldwell know nobody wanted Westbrook and he would be able to draft him in the fourth so he took Smoot way early figuring he would not still be around for the Jaguars' fourth pick? Cooper Kupp NEVER occurred to Caldwell? Not likely. He rather didn't draft him because he knew he would by nature challenge the status quo.
Better teams approach the draft not even knowing which players they will take. They trust their own work in free agency and their own field scouts have put together a great board and draft day is simply a matter of gazing up at the board and selecting the best available player.
(03-07-2018, 10:56 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 10:24 AM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]We really won’t know this for at least another 2 years. If smoot turns into a 10 sack guy and Cupp is still just a slot getting 600 yards and 3tds that was a win for us.
A couple of years? Where's Tavon? You can wait around to determine Kupp is exceptionally talented and has a very high probability of sustained greatness in the NFL, but the league is woke.
Imagine this...what if Bortles' last throw sailed into the competent hands of Cooper Kupp and not bounce off Caldwell's latest secret weapon, Westbrook?
What game were you watching?
(03-07-2018, 10:56 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 10:24 AM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]We really won’t know this for at least another 2 years. If smoot turns into a 10 sack guy and Cupp is still just a slot getting 600 yards and 3tds that was a win for us.
A couple of years? Where's Tavon? You can wait around to determine Kupp is exceptionally talented and has a very high probability of sustained greatness in the NFL, but the league is woke.
Imagine this...what if Bortles' last throw sailed into the competent hands of Cooper Kupp and not bounce off Caldwell's latest secret weapon, Westbrook? Sometimes a single botched draft pick is the difference between pretty good and greatness.
Funny, Westbrook graded higher than Kupp, but was drafted a round later. Smoot who was drafted instead of Kupp was taken a round too soon. Did Caldwell know nobody wanted Westbrook and he would be able to draft him in the fourth so he took Smoot way early figuring he would not still be around for the Jaguars' fourth pick? Cooper Kupp NEVER occurred to Caldwell? Not likely. He rather didn't draft him because he knew he would by nature challenge the status quo.
Better teams approach the draft not even knowing which players they will take. They trust their own work in free agency and their own field scouts have put together a great board and draft day is simply a matter of gazing up at the board and selecting the best available player.
Is AJ jealous of your new crush?
(03-07-2018, 10:56 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 10:24 AM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]We really won’t know this for at least another 2 years. If smoot turns into a 10 sack guy and Cupp is still just a slot getting 600 yards and 3tds that was a win for us.
A couple of years? Where's Tavon? You can wait around to determine Kupp is exceptionally talented and has a very high probability of sustained greatness in the NFL, but the league is woke.
Imagine this...what if Bortles' last throw sailed into the competent hands of Cooper Kupp and not bounce off Caldwell's latest secret weapon, Westbrook? Sometimes a single botched draft pick is the difference between pretty good and greatness.
Funny, Westbrook graded higher than Kupp, but was drafted a round later. Smoot who was drafted instead of Kupp was taken a round too soon. Did Caldwell know nobody wanted Westbrook and he would be able to draft him in the fourth so he took Smoot way early figuring he would not still be around for the Jaguars' fourth pick? Cooper Kupp NEVER occurred to Caldwell? Not likely. He rather didn't draft him because he knew he would by nature challenge the status quo.
Better teams approach the draft not even knowing which players they will take. They trust their own work in free agency and their own field scouts have put together a great board and draft day is simply a matter of gazing up at the board and selecting the best available player.
What are you even talking about? Westbrook didn't drop the pass..... Gilmore batted it down.
Also, did you watch the Rams playoff game? Kupp dropped a TD in that game. He also dropped the game winning TD in the Seattle game.
I honestly feel like you haven't watched a single Jags game or an NFL game.
(03-07-2018, 10:56 AM)JJUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 10:24 AM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]We really won’t know this for at least another 2 years. If smoot turns into a 10 sack guy and Cupp is still just a slot getting 600 yards and 3tds that was a win for us.
A couple of years? Where's Tavon? You can wait around to determine Kupp is exceptionally talented and has a very high probability of sustained greatness in the NFL, but the league is woke.
Imagine this...what if Bortles' last throw sailed into the competent hands of Cooper Kupp and not bounce off Caldwell's latest secret weapon, Westbrook? Sometimes a single botched draft pick is the difference between pretty good and greatness.
Funny, Westbrook graded higher than Kupp, but was drafted a round later. Smoot who was drafted instead of Kupp was taken a round too soon. Did Caldwell know nobody wanted Westbrook and he would be able to draft him in the fourth so he took Smoot way early figuring he would not still be around for the Jaguars' fourth pick? Cooper Kupp NEVER occurred to Caldwell? Not likely. He rather didn't draft him because he knew he would by nature challenge the status quo.
Better teams approach the draft not even knowing which players they will take. They trust their own work in free agency and their own field scouts have put together a great board and draft day is simply a matter of gazing up at the board and selecting the best available player.
Keelan Cole was not even drafted and put up comparable numbers to Kupp so I guess the Rams overdrafted him then. They should all be fired for drafting a guy they could have just gotten after the draft....
Westbrook had off the feild concerns... he was a consensus 2nd round pick at minimum.
Lol and clearly you did not watch the AFCG lol. You can complain about a lot of stuff with this team but Caldwell’s draft strategy should not be one. He has an eye for talent. That cannot be disputed. Do Gms miss? Yes they all miss. The goal is to hit more than miss and that is exactly what he has done.
ARob can go kick rocks for all I care. We need a TE.
That Jungle Cat sure does like showing off that brain injury of his.
(03-07-2018, 11:17 AM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]That Jungle Cat sure does like showing off that brain injury of his.
I think he's one of those Russian trolls, practicing up for the next election.
(03-07-2018, 09:51 AM)JUNGLE CAT 2017 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 08:41 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I've said it before: there has to be a limit. In the past, I've obsessed during free agency, hoping the team would be willing to break the bank for this guy or that guy. 3-13 will do that to you. Desperation. But when you have built a talented roster, and you want to compete for years to come, you have to start to set limits. You have to have some sort of budget. Spending money means making choices.
It's like the team has grown up. We're no longer children. "Daddy, buy me this! Daddy, buy me that!"
As the team improves, we start to get into a salary cap squeeze, and we have to be strict with our money. That's what good teams do. Bad teams have unlimited cap space because they don't have any good players to begin with. Good teams have to be disciplined.
I guarantee you, if Allan Robinson signs a blockbuster deal, it will be with some crap team that has all kinds of cap space and is desperate to spend some money and get some players. Thank God we are no longer in that situation.
Yeah, can you imagine the reactions if the Jaguars had selected Eastern Washington WR, Cooper Kupp, in the third round instead of Dawuane Smoot?
Caldwell doesn't draft the best player available. Better NFL teams do.
Is it really the goal of the organization to stack pass rushers? Why didn't Caldwell trust his own work in free agency? Calais Campbell was signed in March.
Drafting Smoot over Kupp in the third round last year was a gigantic error on his part. He didn't want to hurt Robinson's tender feelings by bringing in competition? He didn't want to frighten young and tender Allen? Is it really the goal of the Jaguars to draft less talented players on purpose so they can build a second string with a huge talent gap?
I really don't know why Tom Coughlin is holding onto Caldwell. Really?
We are coming off a season where we reached the AFC championship game based upon a roster built mostly by Caldwell, and you want him fired because he didn't draft Cooper Kupp?!?
Take a look at Lindy's draft annual when you get the chance.
They have rated teams drafting over the last five years.
Only two (2) teams got grades equal to or greater than the B+ the Jaguars earned: Pittsburgh who got an A and Dallas who got a B+.
It has been said but that also speaks to Arob with him rehabbing with the team but saying screw them and their offer lol. Get all your money but be aware. All money ain’t good money. The jags have been good to him. He is telling us what he thinks about this franchise and city.
(03-07-2018, 01:04 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]It has been said but that also speaks to Arob with him rehabbing with the team but saying screw them and their offer lol. Get all your money but be aware. All money ain’t good money. The jags have been good to him. He is telling us what he thinks about this franchise and city.
That's high school thinking.
To quote Vic: "It's professional football. It's about the money."
(03-07-2018, 01:43 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 01:04 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]It has been said but that also speaks to Arob with him rehabbing with the team but saying screw them and their offer lol. Get all your money but be aware. All money ain’t good money. The jags have been good to him. He is telling us what he thinks about this franchise and city.
That's high school thinking.
To quote Vic: "It's professional football. It's about the money."
You are correct it is about the money. I think I said go get your money lol. Just as an adult I realize all money ain’t good money. It’s all life changing money especially for a guy who only made 3.5 million over the last 4 years one of those years he didn’t even play. You get greedy and a team that isn’t invested in you cuts you and doesn’t care care about what happens to you. Khan has been taking care of his players. I hope his next owner is as good but i doubt it.
(03-07-2018, 02:29 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 01:43 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]That's high school thinking.
To quote Vic: "It's professional football. It's about the money."
You are correct it is about the money. I think I said go get your money lol. Just as an adult I realize all money ain’t good money. It’s all life changing money especially for a guy who only made 3.5 million over the last 4 years one of those years he didn’t even play. You get greedy and a team that isn’t invested in you cuts you and doesn’t care care about what happens to you. Khan has been taking care of his players. I hope his next owner is as good but i doubt it.
Nan, I'm bitter. I hopoe his next owner is Art Modell quality.
(03-07-2018, 01:04 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]It has been said but that also speaks to Arob with him rehabbing with the team but saying screw them and their offer lol. Get all your money but be aware. All money ain’t good money. The jags have been good to him. He is telling us what he thinks about this franchise and city.
OR, maybe he wants to get paid as much as possible AND go to a better situation for him.
Why are players expected to be loyal to teams when teams will cut them or trade them without blinking an eye?
(03-07-2018, 03:03 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 01:04 PM)Etdavis2006 Wrote: [ -> ]It has been said but that also speaks to Arob with him rehabbing with the team but saying screw them and their offer lol. Get all your money but be aware. All money ain’t good money. The jags have been good to him. He is telling us what he thinks about this franchise and city.
OR, maybe he wants to get paid as much as possible AND go to a better situation for him.
Why are players expected to be loyal to teams when teams will cut them or trade them without blinking an eye?
The grass isn't always greener on the other side. If he goes to SF, I don't think it will be a perfect match. ARob needs a QB that has a good deep ball and we haven't seen that from Jimmy yet. I don't want him to go to Indy though if Luck is healthy
(03-07-2018, 03:48 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 03:03 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]OR, maybe he wants to get paid as much as possible AND go to a better situation for him.
Why are players expected to be loyal to teams when teams will cut them or trade them without blinking an eye?
The grass isn't always greener on the other side. If he goes to SF, I don't think it will be a perfect match. ARob needs a QB that has a good deep ball and we haven't seen that from Jimmy yet. I don't want him to go to Indy though if Luck is healthy
I'd be of the opinion that Arob is much more than just a deep ball guy. Shanahan and Jimmy G would get value from him all over the field.
(03-07-2018, 03:48 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 03:03 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]OR, maybe he wants to get paid as much as possible AND go to a better situation for him.
Why are players expected to be loyal to teams when teams will cut them or trade them without blinking an eye?
The grass isn't always greener on the other side. If he goes to SF, I don't think it will be a perfect match. ARob needs a QB that has a good deep ball and we haven't seen that from Jimmy yet. I don't want him to go to Indy though if Luck is healthy
If Indy wants to give him a giant, cap-crippling contract, then I want him to go to Indy.
I am ok if he leaves, as long as he leaves the division.
(03-07-2018, 03:48 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018, 03:03 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]OR, maybe he wants to get paid as much as possible AND go to a better situation for him.
Why are players expected to be loyal to teams when teams will cut them or trade them without blinking an eye?
The grass isn't always greener on the other side. If he goes to SF, I don't think it will be a perfect match. ARob needs a QB that has a good deep ball and we haven't seen that from Jimmy yet. I don't want him to go to Indy though if Luck is healthy
Who did Jimmy G have to throw to?
If ARob goes to SF, you can pretty much pencil in 1300 and 10 TDs from ARob. Shannahan would get the absolute most out of ARob.