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(10-30-2018, 05:37 PM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2018, 05:09 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]The tanking has begun. Please trade more players Jags front office.

Tanking how? Fowler has been a rotational player with minimal impact all season. His best play was the strip sack on Brady in a game we were going to win anyway.

It's obvious you're not very observant when watching the games. You probably only pay attention to stats like # of sacks.  If you look at the tape, on pass rushing situations, Fowler is creating pressure and hurries. He may not sack the QB, but he's the quickest outside rusher on the Jaguars roster, quicker than Ngakqou around the edges more explosive first step. He was important to the Jaguars so called Super Bowl run But now we know it's over, it's time to get rid of him and TANK for draft picks and position.

(10-30-2018, 03:54 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2018, 03:52 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]He is stupid but Khan is even more stupid and will retain him.

I get that it is good from a point of we weren't retaining him anyway, but this is now 2 top 5 picks Caldwell has made that are no longer on the roster. That isn't acceptable.

No, I meant Khan will keep Caldwell when he should fire him at the end of the season. 

We should have kept Fowler.

(10-30-2018, 07:03 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2018, 05:37 PM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ]Tanking how? Fowler has been a rotational player with minimal impact all season. His best play was the strip sack on Brady in a game we were going to win anyway.

It's obvious you're not very observant when watching the games. You probably only pay attention to stats like # of sacks.  If you look at the tape, on pass rushing situations, Fowler is creating pressure and hurries. He may not sack the QB, but he's the quickest outside rusher on the Jaguars roster, quicker than Ngakqou around the edges more explosive first step. He was important to the Jaguars so called Super Bowl run But now we know it's over, it's time to get rid of him and TANK for draft picks and position.

Fowler was indeed disruptive and getting a good amount of pressure when he was in. He is absolutely not quicker around the edge than Ngakoue. 

And the tanking talk is just silly at this point.

Let's see if he can actually get something worth it or just another Smoot.

So I was firmly in the don't like this move camp when I heard the news. I didn't like the Fowler pick to start with thought we where drafting a tweener with a high value pick. Then he got hurt and I was all re-affirmed that's why you don't draft tweeners that high. Then Fowler grew on me, when we schemed right he was a good contributor. I did not want him traded I though he's a guy that you can scheme good pressures and use in a specific role to generate pressure.

Then today at my work I had a guy come in with a Jaguar shirt on he needed some tires on his F-150 and we got to small talking about the Jags. I didn't say much other than it's been a rough month and I was hopping we would get healthy and back to form after the bye week. He brings up the Fowler trade and I said yeah it's to bad he had grown on me, this guy responds I like it he was a cancer and I know I'm in the locker room. I paused and looked up realizing this is a pretty big dude, I didn't recognize the name McCormick but after he left I checked his a rookie O-lineman, who knew!?

He also said don't be surprised if 27 isn't around for long...........take it for what it's worth. Maybe they've got locker room problems and their trying to sort them out?

Not shocked Fowler is a locker room issues.

Yan was going at him for a reason. Addition by subtraction maybe. One thing is for sure, he wasn’t going to be resigned so getting an extra 3rd rounder (possible ammo for move up in the draft to draft a QB) is a good thing.

(10-30-2018, 05:49 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2018, 05:44 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]This is the equivalent of Buying a Ferrari and trading it in 3 years later for a honda civic and a pinto.  

Lackluster Dave at it again.  It was a good trade for the scenario but the bigger scheme is it's another top 3 pick who failed here in Jacksonville.

A Ferrari that lost an axle before it saw any real race time, and when it finally got back on the field, it still wasn't living up to the reputation of a Ferrari for a couple of years.  

Fowler's unfortunate injury couldn't have been anticipated when he was drafted.  Nor can we know with ANY certainty how that injury impacted his career trajectory.  

I know that you have to focus on one thing because if you have to think any more deeply than that, it confuses you.  So, you have to hate Dave for any move because you can't see beyond him to think about the bigger picture. That's okay.  Someone will paint one with crayons for you.

David Caldwell has missed on three top 5 draft picks, Joeckel, Bortles, and Fowler. It also looks like he missed on Fournette, its nearly impossible to have so many swings and misses in the top 5 within within a five year period. Any criticism of him is warranted

(10-30-2018, 07:12 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]So I was firmly in the don't like this move camp when I heard the news. I didn't like the Fowler pick to start with thought we where drafting a tweener with a high value pick. Then he got hurt and I was all re-affirmed that's why you don't draft tweeners that high. Then Fowler grew on me, when we schemed right he was a good contributor. I did not want him traded I though he's a guy that you can scheme good pressures and use in a specific role to generate pressure.

Then today at my work I had a guy come in with a Jaguar shirt on he needed some tires on his F-150 and we got to small talking about the Jags. I didn't say much other than it's been a rough month and I was hopping we would get healthy and back to form after the bye week. He brings up the Fowler trade and I said yeah it's to bad he had grown on me, this guy responds I like it he was a cancer and I know I'm in the locker room. I paused and looked up realizing this is a pretty big dude, I didn't recognize the name McCormick but after he left I checked his a rookie O-lineman, who knew!?

He also said don't be surprised if 27 isn't around for long...........take it for what it's worth. Maybe they've got locker room problems and their trying to sort them out?

It's not tough to see where LF may be rubbing the FO and staff the wrong way.  I hope it's not true, because I'd hate to see the draft pick wasted and I'd rather him get healthy and contribute. But it's not a huge stretch to imagine him wearing out his welcome. But I'm reading between the lines on that quite a bit, so, grain of salt...

(10-30-2018, 04:44 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Ehhhh careful, one injury away from everyone freaking out at DE. He was much needed depth for a playoff team. I still think we will be tied in first by week 11. Jags handle Colts/Steelers and Texans lose to Broncos/Redskins. IMO though he was needed depth, but I understand the trade. 

Let's not forget that he's the only pass rusher with success against Brady. 

Anyways IF the Rams get comp'd when Fowler signs huge $$$ in offseason, talk about a steal lol.

What a fantastic trade for the Rams then. Fowler is going to get paaaaaaaaid in the offseason. They'll recoup the 3rd in 2020. Wow.

First off, with the way the Rams love to spend money in free agency, I wouldn't worry about them getting anything close to a third for Fowler--if they let him walk at all. Second, if they do get a comp third, who cares? With the way we love spending in free agency, we weren't going to get much more than a fifth, maybe a fourth. He's not going to command a third-round deal unless he absolutely lights it up with the Rams, in which case he gets a franchise tag or a long term deal from them. Trust me, there will be no third-round compensatory pick for the Rams in this deal.

(10-30-2018, 04:48 PM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ]Packers trade first round pick Ha Ha Clinton-Dix for a 4th round pick.

I guess our deal is very good.

Pass rusher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safety

(10-30-2018, 05:09 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2018, 03:46 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]More importantly I think this speaks on the front offices confidence on the team righting the ship.

The tanking has begun. Please trade more players Jags front office.

Tanking? By trading away a backup defensive end for more than he's worth after giving up a pick on a veteran running back? Teams that dump starters are tanking. We're not dumping starters. We got rid of a guy we were going to get rid of anyway, only doing it this way got us a couple of mid-round picks.

(10-30-2018, 05:44 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]This is the equivalent of Buying a Ferrari and trading it in 3 years later for a honda civic and a pinto.

Not really. It's more like buying a Ferrari, realizing pretty quickly that it breaks down a lot and can't hold 70 for more than a few minutes at a time, giving it a salvage title, then still finding a guy who'll give you a maxed-out Maxima and a shiny new Camry for it.

(10-30-2018, 07:09 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]Let's see if he can actually get something worth it or just another Smoot.

Smoot catches a lot of crap here, but in reality, we don't know what we have there yet. I think it's safe to say that he's underwhelmed coaches, given that he's a consistent healthy scratch, but the man's 23 years old, beefing up heavily from his college weight and essentially playing a new position with the shift to strongside end. I'd love to see him in the rotation, but I'm not ready to write him off yet.

(10-30-2018, 07:12 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]Then today at my work I had a guy come in with a Jaguar shirt on he needed some tires on his F-150 and we got to small talking about the Jags. I didn't say much other than it's been a rough month and I was hopping we would get healthy and back to form after the bye week. He brings up the Fowler trade and I said yeah it's to bad he had grown on me, this guy responds I like it he was a cancer and I know I'm in the locker room. I paused and looked up realizing this is a pretty big dude, I didn't recognize the name (redacted) but after he left I checked his a rookie O-lineman, who knew!?

Only one player with a name anything close to that, and he's not gonna be a Jaguar much longer after the intern tasked with monitoring this board tells Marrone what he saw lol

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(10-30-2018, 07:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2018, 07:12 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]He also said don't be surprised if 27 isn't around for long...........take it for what it's worth. Maybe they've got locker room problems and their trying to sort them out?

It's not tough to see where LF may be rubbing the FO and staff the wrong way.  I hope it's not true, because I'd hate to see the draft pick wasted and I'd rather him get healthy and contribute. But it's not a huge stretch to imagine him wearing out his welcome. But I'm reading between the lines on that quite a bit, so, grain of salt...

I'm not sure if it's an ongoing attitude/personality issue, or if it's maybe some of the same stuff with saw with 28 when he was keeping the team's medical staff busy all by himself his first few years. I hope it's the latter, but giving up a mid-round pick for a running back with an almost identical playing style has me concerned it's the former.

what are the salary cap ramifactions of this? How much are we saving?

(10-30-2018, 08:00 PM)realtorpat Wrote: [ -> ]what are the salary cap ramifactions of this?  How much are we saving?

Very little. He wasn't under contract for next year anyway.

ColoJagI am a big fan of this trade because 1) he was gone in 8 games 2) max comp pick we were getting is a 3rd 3) we get a higher 3rd than the comp pick 4) we also get a future 5th 5) This is a DEEP pass rusher class

My thoughts exactly. The best case scenario would have been a 3rd round comp pick in the 2020 draft.

(10-30-2018, 07:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] 

It's not tough to see where LF may be rubbing the FO and staff the wrong way.  I hope it's not true, because I'd hate to see the draft pick wasted and I'd rather him get healthy and contribute. But it's not a huge stretch to imagine him wearing out his welcome. But I'm reading between the lines on that quite a bit, so, grain of salt...

Listened to the Monday night show tonight and was surprised to hear Lags bring up the fact that Fournette was out there warming up pre game and looking good. And that other people noticed and asked him about it. Sounds like something is up.

(10-30-2018, 07:39 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2018, 07:12 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]So I was firmly in the don't like this move camp when I heard the news. I didn't like the Fowler pick to start with thought we where drafting a tweener with a high value pick. Then he got hurt and I was all re-affirmed that's why you don't draft tweeners that high. Then Fowler grew on me, when we schemed right he was a good contributor. I did not want him traded I though he's a guy that you can scheme good pressures and use in a specific role to generate pressure.

Then today at my work I had a guy come in with a Jaguar shirt on he needed some tires on his F-150 and we got to small talking about the Jags. I didn't say much other than it's been a rough month and I was hopping we would get healthy and back to form after the bye week. He brings up the Fowler trade and I said yeah it's to bad he had grown on me, this guy responds I like it he was a cancer and I know I'm in the locker room. I paused and looked up realizing this is a pretty big dude, I didn't recognize the name McCormick but after he left I checked his a rookie O-lineman, who knew!?

He also said don't be surprised if 27 isn't around for long...........take it for what it's worth. Maybe they've got locker room problems and their trying to sort them out?

It's not tough to see where LF may be rubbing the FO and staff the wrong way.  I hope it's not true, because I'd hate to see the draft pick wasted and I'd rather him get healthy and contribute. But it's not a huge stretch to imagine him wearing out his welcome. But I'm reading between the lines on that quite a bit, so, grain of salt...

That's the only thing I can think of, LF doesn't strike me as a trouble maker and I don't ever recall hearing of him getting into trouble?

Well my 2 cents is this a pretty good deal. He was going to go in the off season, I'm sure Fowler would test the market unless we offer him something crazy anyway. To get a 3rd this year and a 5th next is pretty good, we were going to get nothing.

Fowler never really held a starter spot and got beat by Ngakoue at 'RE and never challenged Calais at LE. Every summer there was another problem he got into, it's just a draft pick that didn't work out. It happens. I'm sure he will have some good games but he's nowhere near say Mack. He may work as a 3-4 OLB but only as a rusher.

Fowler was probably one of the most overlooked players in this defense. I wouldnt be suprised if the defense takes a toll.

(10-30-2018, 10:14 PM)YourFather Wrote: [ -> ]Fowler was probably one of the most overlooked players in this defense. I wouldnt be suprised if the defense takes a toll.

 he wasnt good enough to be the starter and was a distraction in the locker room

Kind of worrisome from a pick standpoint and talent standpoint. You don't want to see top 5 picks go to other teams, or be in the position that you didn't want to resign DFJ or at least try to keep him. I think if you planned on getting rid of him, its better than a comp pick... But I think we'd all rather him be a stud and get a chance to ball out on our team. The D line needs some revamping too, guys are getting pushed around way too much on early downs. Seems we are in a rebuild mode, you don't just give away solid rushers/rotational guys.

That being said, this is yet another Dave Caldwell pick that has not panned out for us, almost all of his 1st rounders have been awful. Ramsey and Fournette are it. At what point does the team start looking at Dave's body of work and questioning if he's the right guy anymore? He had years of top 10 picks and we've had 1 good season.

(10-30-2018, 10:14 PM)YourFather Wrote: [ -> ]Fowler was probably one of the most overlooked players in this defense. I wouldnt be suprised if the defense takes a toll.

Yup. How do you think Campbell and Ngakqou are getting those sacks.  Because of Fowler.

(10-30-2018, 11:20 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2018, 10:14 PM)YourFather Wrote: [ -> ]Fowler was probably one of the most overlooked players in this defense. I wouldnt be suprised if the defense takes a toll.

Yup. How do you think Campbell and Ngakqou are getting those sacks.  Because of Fowler.

LOL