10-30-2018, 11:47 PM
10-31-2018, 12:03 AM
I don’t know guys. I’m not a fan of this trade. If the truth be told, this was over the first day of his rookie training camp when he tore his ACL. That gave Yan his chance and the rest is history once we signed Campbell.
I guess they plan on keeping Smith Jack and Ramsey together for the next 5-7 years.
And keeping Yan of course, too.
I guess they plan on keeping Smith Jack and Ramsey together for the next 5-7 years.
And keeping Yan of course, too.
10-31-2018, 12:13 AM
(10-30-2018, 11:20 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ](10-30-2018, 10:14 PM)YourFather Wrote: [ -> ]Fowler was probably one of the most overlooked players in this defense. I wouldnt be suprised if the defense takes a toll.
Yup. How do you think Campbell and Ngakqou are getting those sacks. Because of Fowler.
What?
10-31-2018, 12:54 AM
(10-30-2018, 10:11 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Well my 2 cents is this a pretty good deal. He was going to go in the off season, I'm sure Fowler would test the market unless we offer him something crazy anyway. To get a 3rd this year and a 5th next is pretty good, we were going to get nothing.
Fowler never really held a starter spot and got beat by Ngakoue at 'RE and never challenged Calais at LE. Every summer there was another problem he got into, it's just a draft pick that didn't work out. It happens. I'm sure he will have some good games but he's nowhere near say
Mack. He may work as a 3-4 OLB but only as a rusher.
ill tell you this I remember when Everyone on this board only thought Fowler was good against the run, With no pash rush ability and only got pressures because the takent around him.
That’s changed, he’s gotten better every year and I think he’s got very good potential on the field. He will be missed. We got rid of him because the staff knows we’re not going for a title run this year, because if we were we would’ve kept him. Coughlin understands the importance of pass rushers in the playoffs and SB.
10-31-2018, 01:16 AM
I think the bigger question is what this means for the teams outlook over the next few years. Is this the first step in a mini-rebuild and finding draft capital to go get another QB or are we just looking at capitalizing on the last chance to get something in the 2019 draft for a player we weren't planning on keeping. I personally don't like it for the fact that now we don't really have a sub rusher for the strong side. Calais kicks in, malik moves to nose. I haven't seen anything from Bryant to put him out there. Is it McCray?
10-31-2018, 01:29 AM
(10-31-2018, 01:16 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]... I personally don't like it for the fact that now we don't really have a sub rusher for the strong side. Calais kicks in, malik moves to nose. I haven't seen anything from Bryant to put him out there. Is it McCray?
McCray has had reps there and looked good. Probably will see some rotation with him, Smoot and Bryan.
10-31-2018, 02:17 AM
Wouldn’t the absolute value be a top 3 pick traded for a 3rd and 5th round pick. If we had the 3rd pick in 2019 and immediately traded for a 3rd and 5th round pick, no one would be happy with that. I agree it was a necessary move, just don’t think the overall 3 year value to a top 3 pick was achieved.
10-31-2018, 03:59 AM
(10-30-2018, 07:03 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ](10-30-2018, 05:37 PM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ]Tanking how? Fowler has been a rotational player with minimal impact all season. His best play was the strip sack on Brady in a game we were going to win anyway.
It's obvious you're not very observant when watching the games. You probably only pay attention to stats like # of sacks. If you look at the tape, on pass rushing situations, Fowler is creating pressure and hurries. He may not sack the QB, but he's the quickest outside rusher on the Jaguars roster, quicker than Ngakqou around the edges more explosive first step. He was important to the Jaguars so called Super Bowl run But now we know it's over, it's time to get rid of him and TANK for draft picks and position.
I've heard that argument before...about Derrick Harvey.
10-31-2018, 04:31 AM
(10-30-2018, 05:15 PM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ]We now pick four times in the first three rounds. I like it. Already we've drafted Hyde with a fifth round pick, and Kessler with a seventh. Could be a nice haul next year.
And by the way, if the Rams don't win the Super Bowl with all of that talent, something's seriously wrong.
I still like both these trades. Kessler may be nothing but a backup, but he can come in and win games when necessary. If Fournette somehow stays healthy next season, a combo of he and Hyde should wear down defenses by the 4th quarter. Yeldon will be leaving via free agency so Hyde should get a lot of carries and hopefully they keep Grant
on the roster as a speed guy.
10-31-2018, 09:37 AM
It's so funny to me how the national media works. Listening to the Dan Patrick Show this morning and I've never heard Dante Fowler's name mentioned more in my life.
10-31-2018, 09:51 AM
Honestly? I feel like I'll miss that raw potential ability for him to get loose and create havoc on the field. Even if it wasn't always frequent...
But I definitely won't miss his off-field character. He's a hothead who's been thrown out of multiple games and has had clashes with teammates for varying reasons. Talented player, sucks to lose him. And I'm glad the team's not just drafting choir boys anymore. But sometimes you gotta just let some dudes go. Fowler wasn't worth being paid a big contract for how little he's brought over the past few years. He's good but not great. And if he's gonna continue to be an [BLEEP] on and off the field, you have to ask yourself at what point does his talent make that headache worthwhile?
He's the Rams' problem to deal with now. Maybe he takes off or maybe he plummets. At this point it's hard not to look back at that first round pick and cringe thinking about it though
But I definitely won't miss his off-field character. He's a hothead who's been thrown out of multiple games and has had clashes with teammates for varying reasons. Talented player, sucks to lose him. And I'm glad the team's not just drafting choir boys anymore. But sometimes you gotta just let some dudes go. Fowler wasn't worth being paid a big contract for how little he's brought over the past few years. He's good but not great. And if he's gonna continue to be an [BLEEP] on and off the field, you have to ask yourself at what point does his talent make that headache worthwhile?
He's the Rams' problem to deal with now. Maybe he takes off or maybe he plummets. At this point it's hard not to look back at that first round pick and cringe thinking about it though
10-31-2018, 10:06 AM
Saw YannGetsSacks91 at Publix. He said he was 91% sure that if they didn't trade Dante that he was going to kick the [BLEEP] out of him.
10-31-2018, 10:07 AM
(10-31-2018, 10:06 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Saw YannGetsSacks91 at Publix. He said he was 91% sure that if they didn't trade Dante that he was going to kick the [BLEEP] out of him.
HAAA!!!
10-31-2018, 12:08 PM
(10-30-2018, 06:01 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ](10-30-2018, 05:49 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]A Ferrari that lost an axle before it saw any real race time, and when it finally got back on the field, it still wasn't living up to the reputation of a Ferrari for a couple of years.
Fowler's unfortunate injury couldn't have been anticipated when he was drafted. Nor can we know with ANY certainty how that injury impacted his career trajectory.
I know that you have to focus on one thing because if you have to think any more deeply than that, it confuses you. So, you have to hate Dave for any move because you can't see beyond him to think about the bigger picture. That's okay. Someone will paint one with crayons for you.
Company man here to try to save the day again. Your man Caldwell should not even be in the front office. Khan had to hire big daddy Tom Coughlin because under Dave this franchise was a complete joke. Another failed top 5 draft pick. I know you consider yourself highly intelligent but the truth it most people probably see you riding that short little yellow bus.
Company man. That's the label simpletons must throw out there anytime they are required to think. I'm not a company man, but if that's all you can come back with, it's understood why.
I would suggest you leave clever to those who can. It's not your strong suit. Stick to starting mindless threads daily. It's what you do.
10-31-2018, 12:12 PM
(10-31-2018, 01:16 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]I think the bigger question is what this means for the teams outlook over the next few years. Is this the first step in a mini-rebuild and finding draft capital to go get another QB or are we just looking at capitalizing on the last chance to get something in the 2019 draft for a player we weren't planning on keeping. I personally don't like it for the fact that now we don't really have a sub rusher for the strong side. Calais kicks in, malik moves to nose. I haven't seen anything from Bryant to put him out there. Is it McCray?
We knew there was going to be at least a minor rebuilding next year based on the fact that some of those big contracts on the defensive side of the ball are going to need to be moved. Fowler didn't factor into the future, so trading him made sense, and it did indeed give the team some draft capital to make some moves if they are targeting a specific player.
Bryan needs to develop. Trading Fowler might wind up helping his development by getting those extra snaps.
10-31-2018, 12:27 PM
(10-30-2018, 07:39 PM)jagforlife85 Wrote: [ -> ](10-30-2018, 05:49 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]A Ferrari that lost an axle before it saw any real race time, and when it finally got back on the field, it still wasn't living up to the reputation of a Ferrari for a couple of years.
Fowler's unfortunate injury couldn't have been anticipated when he was drafted. Nor can we know with ANY certainty how that injury impacted his career trajectory.
I know that you have to focus on one thing because if you have to think any more deeply than that, it confuses you. So, you have to hate Dave for any move because you can't see beyond him to think about the bigger picture. That's okay. Someone will paint one with crayons for you.
David Caldwell has missed on three top 5 draft picks, Joeckel, Bortles, and Fowler. It also looks like he missed on Fournette, its nearly impossible to have so many swings and misses in the top 5 within within a five year period. Any criticism of him is warranted
I've never said Caldwell doesn't deserve criticism for his draft failures in the first round. I'm simply pointing out that things got off to a bad start with Fowler because of an injury that sidelined him for a year, and for which he was slow to get back to full speed afterward.
(10-30-2018, 10:27 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ](10-30-2018, 10:14 PM)YourFather Wrote: [ -> ]Fowler was probably one of the most overlooked players in this defense. I wouldnt be suprised if the defense takes a toll.
he wasnt good enough to be the starter and was a distraction in the locker room
Fowler is a guy who is a physical specimen with the mentality of a 12 year old. He had become a distraction in the locker room with his off field issues and the tension he created with 91.
10-31-2018, 02:09 PM
(10-31-2018, 12:54 AM)spmakros Wrote: [ -> ](10-30-2018, 10:11 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Well my 2 cents is this a pretty good deal. He was going to go in the off season, I'm sure Fowler would test the market unless we offer him something crazy anyway. To get a 3rd this year and a 5th next is pretty good, we were going to get nothing.
Fowler never really held a starter spot and got beat by Ngakoue at 'RE and never challenged Calais at LE. Every summer there was another problem he got into, it's just a draft pick that didn't work out. It happens. I'm sure he will have some good games but he's nowhere near say
Mack. He may work as a 3-4 OLB but only as a rusher.
ill tell you this I remember when Everyone on this board only thought Fowler was good against the run, With no pash rush ability and only got pressures because the takent around him.
That’s changed, he’s gotten better every year and I think he’s got very good potential on the field. He will be missed. We got rid of him because the staff knows we’re not going for a title run this year, because if we were we would’ve kept him. Coughlin understands the importance of pass rushers in the playoffs and SB.
Fowler has talent, we took him #3 for a reason. What I'm saying is he was a solid rotational guy for us, who never took over a position or became a key part of the D. He made some plays but he had plenty of quiet games. Does anyone think he should be starting ahead of Yannick?
We weren't going to offer him $10m a year so he would have tested free agency anyway. To get something for him is better than the nothing we would have got.
I'd love to find a way to keep everyone but you can't. The main thing is this team doesn't put itself into cap problems.
10-31-2018, 02:11 PM
Sleepy ole Jax one day. LA the next. Dude might lose his damn mind out there.
10-31-2018, 04:37 PM
(10-30-2018, 05:49 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]Why are people down on Caldwell? Coughlin had to agree to the terms and conditions and the trade itself but no one wants to mention him.Coughlin must have been ok with this move or it wouldn't have happened but it's much easier to just blame Caldwell as if it was all Caldwell and no Coughlin that made this move. It's a good move, work it Dave!!!(10-30-2018, 05:44 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]This is the equivalent of Buying a Ferrari and trading it in 3 years later for a honda civic and a pinto.
Lackluster Dave at it again. It was a good trade for the scenario but the bigger scheme is it's another top 3 pick who failed here in Jacksonville.
A Ferrari that lost an axle before it saw any real race time, and when it finally got back on the field, it still wasn't living up to the reputation of a Ferrari for a couple of years.
Fowler's unfortunate injury couldn't have been anticipated when he was drafted. Nor can we know with ANY certainty how that injury impacted his career trajectory.
I know that you have to focus on one thing because if you have to think any more deeply than that, it confuses you. So, you have to hate Dave for any move because you can't see beyond him to think about the bigger picture. That's okay. Someone will paint one with crayons for you.
10-31-2018, 04:45 PM
I would have rather traded another player instead of Fowler. However, if he is a nut case then I don’t want him on my team. If what people are saying is true, then he is actually bad for a team like the Jags.