(07-31-2019, 04:24 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2019, 11:57 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I also wonder how much a greedy agent is factoring into this impasse.
No, no, no, don't try that "it's his agent" thing. Yan is an adult. Unless you have proof showing otherwise I think we have to assume the player is in control. It's his life. Unless you buy into the stereotype that they're all just dumb jocks.
Besides, agents don't make perhaps as much as you may think, percentage wise. They make more in volume than from an individual player - especially a player in a small market who has few opportunities for outside income.
Why do you have an agent then? The agent's job is to get him the best contract. He's also going to do his best to convince his client that he is correct. If he thought he was incorrect, he could just as easily fire him. If you don't think an agent has a HUGE impact on his client's...especially a young player... thinking, you're delusional.
(07-31-2019, 07:20 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2019, 04:24 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]No, no, no, don't try that "it's his agent" thing. Yan is an adult. Unless you have proof showing otherwise I think we have to assume the player is in control. It's his life. Unless you buy into the stereotype that they're all just dumb jocks.
Besides, agents don't make perhaps as much as you may think, percentage wise. They make more in volume than from an individual player - especially a player in a small market who has few opportunities for outside income.
Why do you have an agent then? The agent's job is to get him the best contract. He's also going to do his best to convince his client that he is correct. If he thought he was incorrect, he could just as easily fire him. If you don't think an agent has a HUGE impact on his client's...especially a young player... thinking, you're delusional.
This is really what cuts to the heart of my thinking. Young players are probably overwhelmed by the negotiations and the dollar signs. An agent telling him to hold out for a bit more may, or may not, serve the interest of the player. Which then lends to the argument of whether agents unduly influence young players for the money. While I'm sure most agents are honest and considerate of the player's future, like any profession which involves big money transactions and commissions, there's always the possibility they're not.
(07-31-2019, 02:42 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2019, 01:38 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]I am not paying so I don't care, I am just telling it like it is, he is NOT a top 3 nor a top 5 pass rusher in the league, period. I think that bothers you but it is the truth.
It'll be a mistake to pay him like that but again, I am not paying so...
Name 5 DE pass rushers that are better
Pass.
Not wasting my time when I already name them, posted a link etc, and also when he was #23 in sacks lol.
(07-31-2019, 11:46 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2019, 02:42 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Name 5 DE pass rushers that are better
Pass.
Not wasting my time when I already name them, posted a link etc, and also when he was #23 in sacks lol.
But #4 in pressures. But Sacks are better than pressures. But then you said you agree that pressures are more indicative of a pass rusher's effectiveness. But Sacks are better than pressures bc it fits your narrative.
(07-31-2019, 11:46 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2019, 11:17 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]In light of the details of the teams offer I will no longer hold the F.O. at fault if a deal does not get done. They made a offer that fit his skill level and position among his peers and they offered it to him early. His camp must take note of that fact. I sure want him around and motivated as obviously he is a rare talent but at what point is the cut off?
I can see both sides, and I think Frangie said it the other day, if it doesn't get done, you can't blame either side really. As you said, the team offered him a very fair amount of money, offered it early, and in turn preferred to keep the deal shorter.
Yan is looking for that long term deal to provide himself more security. The money is probably good at this point, or close enough, for him.
Neither side is wrong at this point. Just hope they come to an agreement.
I still think a deal gets done. They don't offer him that money just to let him walk. The team wants him here, he wants to be here.
In a round about way, I also thinking keeping Yan will go a LONG way towards Jalen wanting to stay here.
You can absolutely blame the Jags if they don't get it done. There is no excuse for not re-signing your in his prime homegrown pass rusher for a contract in line with market standards, especially when your cap is plenty malleable to allow it+ he wants to be here long term.
I still think it gets done, we just need to take the baby gloves off for this front office.
Dear Front Office,
We like having good players. Especially ones we draft.
Sincerely,
The fans
(08-01-2019, 04:51 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (08-01-2019, 04:44 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Hopefully this means something and isn't just non sense...
https://twitter.com/YannickNgakoue/statu...9523225600
He has to return or he doesn't become a FA. He will be back for the season no matter what.
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Obviously, but that's still at least a week away before he has to come back.
An NFL contract isn’t about what you have done....it’s about what your capable of doing.
A 3rd Round pick performing at least like a mid to late first rounder. Pay this man his money. Oh wait...we're still paying Bouye and Campbell. Too bad Yannick, we don't care about our in-house players as much as the hired guns. Play for peanuts and be satisfied with it.
(08-02-2019, 11:40 AM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]A 3rd Round pick performing at least like a mid to late first rounder. Pay this man his money. Oh wait...we're still paying Bouye and Campbell. Too bad Yannick, we don't care about our in-house players as much as the hired guns. Play for peanuts and be satisfied with it.
I thought that was why we cut Fowler, Malik, Gipson, and Church last year. So we can keep our in house talent but we signed Foles. Hopefully we can keep Yann, and sign Myles and Jalen next year, when we cut more players. I had a different view and wanted to keep Blake so we can have more cap and then draft a rookie for even more space while other cuts are made but hey. Foles better be THE GUY, unless we are still going QB next year when the better class comes out.
(08-02-2019, 11:40 AM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]A 3rd Round pick performing at least like a mid to late first rounder. Pay this man his money. Oh wait...we're still paying Bouye and Campbell. Too bad Yannick, we don't care about our in-house players as much as the hired guns. Play for peanuts and be satisfied with it.
Yes, $19 million is 'peanuts'.
(07-31-2019, 07:20 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2019, 04:24 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]No, no, no, don't try that "it's his agent" thing. Yan is an adult. Unless you have proof showing otherwise I think we have to assume the player is in control. It's his life. Unless you buy into the stereotype that they're all just dumb jocks.
Besides, agents don't make perhaps as much as you may think, percentage wise. They make more in volume than from an individual player - especially a player in a small market who has few opportunities for outside income.
Why do you have an agent then? The agent's job is to get him the best contract. He's also going to do his best to convince his client that he is correct. If he thought he was incorrect, he could just as easily fire him. If you don't think an agent has a HUGE impact on his client's...especially a young player... thinking, you're delusional.
I never got the impression that Yan is dumb. He gets an agent to advise on contracts and financial matters - not to be his Dad and tell him what to do with his life. You have no idea how instrumental his agent is. You don't think he also doesn't talk to friends, and yes, his father?
Unless someone comes up with inside info, I'm attributing Yan's decisions to Yan.
It always seems that we need a villain if one of "our guys" isn't doing what we want/think he ought to do.
(08-02-2019, 12:45 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2019, 07:20 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you have an agent then? The agent's job is to get him the best contract. He's also going to do his best to convince his client that he is correct. If he thought he was incorrect, he could just as easily fire him. If you don't think an agent has a HUGE impact on his client's...especially a young player... thinking, you're delusional.
I never got the impression that Yan is dumb. He gets an agent to advise on contracts and financial matters - not to be his Dad and tell him what to do with his life. You have no idea how instrumental his agent is. You don't think he also doesn't talk to friends, and yes, his father?
Unless someone comes up with inside info, I'm attributing Yan's decisions to Yan.
It always seems that we need a villain if one of "our guys" isn't doing what we want/think he ought to do.
Sorry, you're wrong. Period. End of story. But keep twisting.
(08-02-2019, 12:45 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2019, 07:20 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you have an agent then? The agent's job is to get him the best contract. He's also going to do his best to convince his client that he is correct. If he thought he was incorrect, he could just as easily fire him. If you don't think an agent has a HUGE impact on his client's...especially a young player... thinking, you're delusional.
I never got the impression that Yan is dumb. He gets an agent to advise on contracts and financial matters - not to be his Dad and tell him what to do with his life. You have no idea how instrumental his agent is. You don't think he also doesn't talk to friends, and yes, his father?
Unless someone comes up with inside info, I'm attributing Yan's decisions to Yan.
It always seems that we need a villain if one of "our guys" isn't doing what we want/think he ought to do.
You've set up a false dichotomy.
Just because Yan's agent is influential, doesn't mean Yan is dumb, and doesn't mean Yan isn't thinking for himself.
(07-30-2019, 02:39 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I don't even watch football anymore.
I've never in my life spent money on any merchandise from the NFL.
The only reason athletes get the money they do is because sad pathetic people want to watch them hurt eachother.
Lol #attentionGetter. There I contributed.
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