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glad the team didnt give in. Even if we give him whatever he is asking for I'd rather us give it to him while he's here than during a hold out. Looks better for the team than giving in during a holdout like a alot want the team to just give in. Glad we stood our ground an not look weak like some thought we should

if he dont take the deal we offered we can just tag him next year. Clark and Lawrence both played on the tag before they got their big deals

(08-04-2019, 07:45 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]if he dont take the deal we offered we can just tag him next year.  Clark and Lawrence both played on the tag before they got their big deals

Yeah, at this time I think he almost has to sign the deal. Can't play under the 2M contract he has now (minus the fines who should be around 500K) and then having the team able to tag you next year. Not with the 19M/per year offer he got. He should fire his agent if the plan is just that.
I think they'll agree to a deal very soon, possibly even before the Baltimore game. Probably along the lines of what was offered but with more guaranteed money. We'll see.

Whenever a player is in contract talks now, I look back at earl Thomas' debacle in Seattle. Can't ever be mad at a player after that.

(08-04-2019, 08:47 AM)MightyRx Wrote: [ -> ]Whenever a player is in contract talks now, I look back at earl Thomas' debacle in Seattle. Can't ever be mad at a player after that.

Oh yeah, absolutely. That's why I think he should just take the deal he has, you still get a huge payday, and will get TWO in your prime deals, and the 2nd one will likely be signifigantly larger and longer.

We all knew it was going to come, because he needs that accrued season, but boy is this nice to hear.

Hope they're both still negotiating on a long term deal and get something done.

(08-04-2019, 07:45 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]if he dont take the deal we offered we can just tag him next year.  Clark and Lawrence both played on the tag before they got their big deals

Tagging him will likely just piss him off and it will only be more expensive in the long run. The going rate for a top Pass Rusher is what $20-21m per right now? In 2 more seasons (him playing out his contract this season and playing out the tag next season), the going rate for a top pass rusher will likely be $25-26m+ per.

(08-04-2019, 07:38 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]glad the team didnt give in.  Even if we give him whatever he is asking for I'd rather us give it to him while he's here than during a hold out.  Looks better for the team than giving in during a holdout like a alot want the team to just give in.  Glad we stood our ground an not look weak like some thought we should

Signing your best young players for market price before it jumps again next year is smart team building. Especially when its as clean a deal as Yannicks is. Your whole point about "looking better" isn't based in reality

(08-04-2019, 07:38 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]glad the team didnt give in.  Even if we give him whatever he is asking for I'd rather us give it to him while he's here than during a hold out.  Looks better for the team than giving in during a holdout like a alot want the team to just give in.  Glad we stood our ground an not look weak like some thought we should

Hahaha what?

This makes this team look absolutely awful.

Instead of paying a young, ascending and fantastic pass rusher, they are possibly on the verge of losing him. He has done every single thing you want your core players to do. He’s the opposite of Fowler. Works hard, stays out of trouble, great in the locker room and is a great teammate.

Not paying this guy shows the rest of the young players that they will have to go through the same issues when it’s their turn.

(08-04-2019, 06:57 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-04-2019, 07:38 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]glad the team didnt give in.  Even if we give him whatever he is asking for I'd rather us give it to him while he's here than during a hold out.  Looks better for the team than giving in during a holdout like a alot want the team to just give in.  Glad we stood our ground an not look weak like some thought we should

Hahaha what?

This makes this team look absolutely awful.

Instead of paying a young, ascending and fantastic pass rusher, they are possibly on the verge of losing him. He has done every single thing you want your core players to do. He’s the opposite of Fowler. Works hard, stays out of trouble, great in the locker room and is a great teammate.

Not paying this guy shows the rest of the young players that they will have to go through the same issues when it’s their turn.

Yup and Ngakoue said that him and Ramsey talk nearly every day whether it was through instagram or w.e.. You know Ramsey is watching this entire situation going on with Yannick, with eyes WIDE open, knowing he's due to get paid greatly here real soon.

If we lose either of these guys to FA it's going to speak volumes to the rest of the young players on this team. It'll basically be Coughlin trying to run this team into the dirt for the 2nd time, but instead of getting us into salary cap hell with awful FA contracts who didn't deserve it (the 1st time), it'll be because he will run off all of our legit home grown talent because they don't want to deal with him.

He's either going to A) Cost more than he would have if we signed him right now B) Not want to sign long term here at all or B) Be traded for less than his worth

(08-04-2019, 07:52 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]He's either going to A) Cost more than he would have if we signed him right now B) Not want to sign long term here at all or B) Be traded for less than his worth

I think he wants to be here long term, but this FO is being so stupid and it's probably changing his mind. Honestly it all goes back to Coughlin being old and stubborn, imho.

https://twitter.com/phillip_heilman/stat...3247656960

Coughlin will be 73 at the end of this month. He can't relate to today's generation. He's stuck in the old school. He's stubborn, hard headed, thinks he knows everything and likely still has the "my way, or the highway attitude" that most people his age has.

Got to keep in mind that Yannick and Ramsey etc, were drafted when Coughlin wasn't here. He probably feels like they aren't his guys as well, because they don't have his thumb print on them. 

But on the other side of that argument, he had no problem throwing $22m+ per at Bortles when they could have let him just play out his 5th year option and we wouldn't be eating a bunch of dead $ this year for cutting him. This FO is so [BLEEP] backwards sometimes it's honestly amazing.

(08-04-2019, 08:23 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-04-2019, 07:52 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]He's either going to A) Cost more than he would have if we signed him right now B) Not want to sign long term here at all or B) Be traded for less than his worth

I think he wants to be here long term, but this FO is being so stupid and it's probably changing his mind. Honestly it all goes back to Coughlin being old and stubborn, imho.

https://twitter.com/phillip_heilman/stat...3247656960

Coughlin will be 73 at the end of this month. He can't relate to today's generation. He's stuck in the old school. He's stubborn, hard headed, thinks he knows everything and likely still has the "my way, or the highway attitude" that most people his age has.

Got to keep in mind that Yannick and Ramsey etc, were drafted when Coughlin wasn't here. He probably feels like they aren't his guys as well, because they don't have his thumb print on them. 

But on the other side of that argument, he had no problem throwing $22m+ per at Bortles when they could have let him just play out his 5th year option and we wouldn't be eating a bunch of dead $ this year for cutting him. This FO is so [BLEEP] backwards sometimes it's honestly amazing.

*SMH*
He will get signed if he wants to sign.  He already had a good offer, according to reports.  Maybe they tweak the guaranteed money?  The lack of a deal probably has more to do with salary cap concerns than anything else.  It will get done.

(08-04-2019, 08:47 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-04-2019, 08:23 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I think he wants to be here long term, but this FO is being so stupid and it's probably changing his mind. Honestly it all goes back to Coughlin being old and stubborn, imho.

https://twitter.com/phillip_heilman/stat...3247656960

Coughlin will be 73 at the end of this month. He can't relate to today's generation. He's stuck in the old school. He's stubborn, hard headed, thinks he knows everything and likely still has the "my way, or the highway attitude" that most people his age has.

Got to keep in mind that Yannick and Ramsey etc, were drafted when Coughlin wasn't here. He probably feels like they aren't his guys as well, because they don't have his thumb print on them. 

But on the other side of that argument, he had no problem throwing $22m+ per at Bortles when they could have let him just play out his 5th year option and we wouldn't be eating a bunch of dead $ this year for cutting him. This FO is so [BLEEP] backwards sometimes it's honestly amazing.

*SMH*
He will get signed if he wants to sign.  He already had a good offer, according to reports.  Maybe they tweak the guaranteed money?  The lack of a deal probably has more to do with salary cap concerns than anything else.  It will get done.

What reports? Again I ask, has any credible source come out with the reports? Maybe I missed them, but like I said, I'll be glad/want to see them.

(08-04-2019, 08:52 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-04-2019, 08:47 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]*SMH*
He will get signed if he wants to sign.  He already had a good offer, according to reports.  Maybe they tweak the guaranteed money?  The lack of a deal probably has more to do with salary cap concerns than anything else.  It will get done.

What reports? Again I ask, has any credible source come out with the reports? Maybe I missed them, but like I said, I'll be glad/want to see them.

And what reports say anything about your assumptions with Coughlin?  I'm curious.

(08-04-2019, 08:47 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-04-2019, 08:23 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I think he wants to be here long term, but this FO is being so stupid and it's probably changing his mind. Honestly it all goes back to Coughlin being old and stubborn, imho.

https://twitter.com/phillip_heilman/stat...3247656960

Coughlin will be 73 at the end of this month. He can't relate to today's generation. He's stuck in the old school. He's stubborn, hard headed, thinks he knows everything and likely still has the "my way, or the highway attitude" that most people his age has.

Got to keep in mind that Yannick and Ramsey etc, were drafted when Coughlin wasn't here. He probably feels like they aren't his guys as well, because they don't have his thumb print on them. 

But on the other side of that argument, he had no problem throwing $22m+ per at Bortles when they could have let him just play out his 5th year option and we wouldn't be eating a bunch of dead $ this year for cutting him. This FO is so [BLEEP] backwards sometimes it's honestly amazing.

*SMH*
He will get signed if he wants to sign.  He already had a good offer, according to reports.  Maybe they tweak the guaranteed money?  The lack of a deal probably has more to do with salary cap concerns than anything else.  It will get done.

It is impossible to know how good of an offer he got with out actual details and structure. You can be sure that "offer" was put in press to swing public opinion by the Jags too.  

And there should be no salary cap concerns with how we have it currently structured for a smart front office.

This from MMQBSI...

Quote:3. Jaguars DE Yannick Ngakoue has proven to be a terror as a pass-rusher. And that part of his game is worthy of getting into the $20 million per club that four defensive players are a part of (Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack, DeMarcus Lawrence, Frank Clark). The issue? Ngakoue  isn’t great in the run game, which the Jaguars have been able to mask because of their ability to go eight or nine deep in their defensive-line rotation. So I’m not stunned that Jacksonville’s moved conservatively on him, nor is it a stunner that he had to curtail his holdout. In a way, this one is a little like Dee Ford in Kansas City. Like Ngakoue, Ford is an explosive, havoc-wreaking pass-rusher with a less than complete game. And the Chiefs, you’ll recall, basically swapped out Ford for Clark this offseason, giving up draft capital and more money to do it.

Pretty much playing out as I expected and called (when many were worried he was going to hold out into the season)

I'm still pretty confident they'll get a deal done before playing the franchise tag dance.

(08-05-2019, 11:03 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty much playing out as I expected and called (when many were worried he was going to hold out into the season)

I'm still pretty confident they'll get a deal done before playing the franchise tag dance.

I sure hope you are right.

Ngakoue stating "they had their chance" to sign me was ominous.