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(09-01-2020, 10:19 AM)JaguarKick Wrote: [ -> ]This is a very accurate statement.  Fournette is not the worst RB by any means, but he also isn't the best, and that's what you should be getting at 4 overall if you draft a RB.

I'm not a Fournette lover but my God, this [BLEEP] front office didn't even try to get trade value for him -- they still had another week to release him so why give up trying to get something in return. 

For the record if this move gets us Trevor and Dabo in Jacksonville then I'll be praising this move.  We need Dabo to change the culture here like Pete Carroll did in Seattle.

(09-01-2020, 10:43 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-01-2020, 10:19 AM)JaguarKick Wrote: [ -> ]This is a very accurate statement.  Fournette is not the worst RB by any means, but he also isn't the best, and that's what you should be getting at 4 overall if you draft a RB.

I'm not a Fournette lover but my God, this [BLEEP] front office didn't even try to get trade value for him -- they still had another week to release him so why give up trying to get something in return. 

For the record if this move gets us Trevor and Dabo in Jacksonville then I'll be praising this move.  We need Dabo to change the culture here like Pete Carroll did in Seattle.

They've been trying to move him since last season ended. There was no interest.

(08-31-2020, 11:04 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Lenny being classy

As classy as when he was asking the team to sign Newton when Minshew was already named the starter....

(09-01-2020, 10:37 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-01-2020, 09:45 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]I hear ya, but R. Jay (or Justin Blackmon for that matter) had some talent. They just had trouble with the bottle, etc. My lawn guy could put a better rush on the passer than Harvey. ;-)

Yeah but could he do this?

He played here with about the same intensity.

Yeah, Harvey was a bad draft pick, but these things have to be measured against what a team passes on. 2008 was a pretty mediocre draft, though they should have taken Campbell. Still is not like they passed on an elite QB.

The problem with 3.4nette is that they passed on a future hall of fame level QB and another one that looks to be very good to take him. It's not taking mediocre players when there aren't elite players on the board that kills teams, it's taking mediocre players when generational level talents are staring them in the face that kills teams.

Fournette was an issue in the locker room, and he changed our game plan too much to be a ground and pound team. Don’t we all want to see a more pass oriented offense? He would not have been happy with 5 to 9 carries a week as a change of pace bruising back. He would’ve caused issues in the media and in the locker room. I’m embracing the future and excited to finally see a new style of offense in Jacksonville.

(09-01-2020, 09:46 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-01-2020, 09:45 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]I hear ya, but R. Jay (or Justin Blackmon for that matter) had some talent. They just had trouble with the bottle, etc. My lawn guy could put a better rush on the passer than Harvey. ;-)

Fair point. Plus Harvey cost extra picks as they moved up to get him.

Soward was back end of the first round and we traded up from the 2nd to get him as a "missing piece" or "luxury" kind of pick. He was basically a less talented Justin Blackmon without the monster 2.5 years of production.

Derrick Harvey bc we traded up from 26 to 8, and gave up 2 3rd's and a 4th iirc (just for comparison's sake Jared Allen was traded from KC to Minny for less) for him to just not even look like he belonged in the NFL or even cared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rw_07Kv_ao I remember seeing this video of what he was doing in the offseason to stay in shape/fine tune his game and thinking right there that he's a bust and his NFL career was over; Harvey is by far the worst pick in franchise history all things considered.

(09-01-2020, 12:57 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-01-2020, 09:46 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Fair point. Plus Harvey cost extra picks as they moved up to get him.

Soward was back end of the first round and we traded up from the 2nd to get him as a "missing piece" or "luxury" kind of pick. He was basically a less talented Justin Blackmon without the monster 2.5 years of production.

Derrick Harvey bc we traded up from 26 to 8, and gave up 2 3rd's and a 4th iirc (just for comparison's sake Jared Allen was traded from KC to Minny for less) for him to just not even look like he belonged in the NFL or even cared.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rw_07Kv_ao I remember seeing this video of what he was doing in the offseason to stay in shape/fine tune his game and thinking right there that he's a bust and his NFL career was over; Harvey is by far the worst pick in franchise history all things considered.

We took Soward with our 1st, 29 overall. We didn't trade up for him.

Front office let our best offensive player go for free. They dumb.  The system excuse is horse poo. Dude can catch the ball.  We being imajor leagued.

(09-01-2020, 01:46 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]Front office let our best offensive player go for free. They dumb.  The system excuse is horse poo. Dude can catch the ball.  We being imajor leagued.

But doesn't it say something that we couldn't even trade him for a 7th round pick?  Is that really our best offensive player?

Our best offensive player is Chark followed by Minshew and Taylor.

Cus, teams being cheap they dont want to take on his 4mill salary. But they know he's good and with a team with a solid oline and qb, fournette about to blow up for the next 3 seasons.

(09-01-2020, 01:57 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Our best offensive player is Chark followed by Minshew and Taylor.

Linder is the best, but Chark is close.

Apparently, the final straw was players in the locker room asking he be cut:

https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2020/9/1/2...-fournette

(09-01-2020, 02:31 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Apparently, the final straw was players in the locker room asking he be cut:

https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2020/9/1/2...-fournette

Wow...

To be a fly on the wall

(09-01-2020, 02:17 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-01-2020, 01:57 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Our best offensive player is Chark followed by Minshew and Taylor.

Linder is the best, but Chark is close.

Linder lol.

(09-01-2020, 02:31 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Apparently, the final straw was players in the locker room asking he be cut:

https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2020/9/1/2...-fournette

If true, this is good news. I can’t think of anything that would solidify a team and its staff more.

Buccaneers picked him up.

Edit: nevermind, misread.

(09-01-2020, 09:46 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-01-2020, 09:45 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]I hear ya, but R. Jay (or Justin Blackmon for that matter) had some talent. They just had trouble with the bottle, etc. My lawn guy could put a better rush on the passer than Harvey. ;-)

Fair point. Plus Harvey cost extra picks as they moved up to get him.

Plus Soward was a late first round. That’s different than completely missing on a top 10 pick.

(09-01-2020, 04:10 PM)d4rkman Wrote: [ -> ]Buccaneers picked him up.

Bucs better win the Super Bowl with that roster, ala 2015 Broncos, cause the franchise is gonna be in cap hell once Brady retires