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(09-03-2020, 09:39 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Winning solves everything.

Agreed but the Jags have not been doing a whole lot of winning this last decade.

(09-03-2020, 03:03 PM)unf_nashvillian Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-03-2020, 02:58 PM)unf_nashvillian Wrote: [ -> ]Now reports are saying Jags are trying to trade Ronnie Harrison.  Actually starting to feel sorry for the Jags fan base.

Oof and for a 5th rounder....yeah I feel sorry for you.  Yikes.

You know it's bad when fans of teams in the same division feel bad for you 

(08-31-2020, 10:35 AM)JAGFAN4EVER! Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-31-2020, 10:29 AM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't he have 2 TDs all last year?

He had 1600 productive yards moving the ball combined. Who will do that now?

Part of that was he was force-fed the ball.  At least two RBs and the WRs will take those yards in a refocused offense.

He is just a guy.

(09-05-2020, 09:16 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-31-2020, 10:35 AM)JAGFAN4EVER! Wrote: [ -> ]He had 1600 productive yards moving the ball combined. Who will do that now?

Part of that was he was force-fed the ball.  At least two RBs and the WRs will take those yards in a refocused offense.

He is just a guy.

People are so caught up in the total yards. It makes it pretty obvious they didn't actually watch any games. Fournette is not a great RB. He lacks any kind of vision and hardly breaks any tackles.

(09-03-2020, 12:23 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-03-2020, 09:03 AM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/E_Dilla/status/1301332997262774278

CJ's profile picture shows him in a full Jags uniform (or maybe it's bouye from last year?)
If he was really unhappy with the Jags, he would have a different profile pic.

JDub

I don't understand all of this hate for Fournette.  He had 1,674 total yards (rushing/receiving yards) last year and this was despite a pretty bad offensive line.  Do people not understand how incredible that is!?!!?  Let me tell you.  It's more than any other player in Jaguars history not named "Fred Taylor" or "Maurice Jones Drew".  Let's even look at those two players.  Fred Taylor  was ranked #2 on the Jaguars 25 year all time team list, is a member of the "Pride of the Jaguars" and has been a semi-finalist for the NFL Hall of Fame.  In his 13 year career, only twice did he exceed 1,674 yards.  Let me repeat it, Fred Taylor failed to have the success of Fournette's last year performance in 11 of his 13 seasons.  As for MJD, let's remember that he was ranked 4th on the Jaguar list of the 25 all time best players.  In 7 of his 9 years, he failed to have the total yards of Fournette last year!

We're somehow BETTER by letting Fournette go!?!?!? Please!  He was over 30% of our offensive yards last year!!!!!  Who are our alternatives at the position?  Instead of Fournette's 1,152 rushing yards, we can pick between guys with 138 yards (Thompson), 108 yards (Armstead), 27 yards (Ozigbo) and 0 yards (undrafted rookie Robinson).  Gee, Dave Caldwell.  You are so smart!!!!!

(09-07-2020, 01:17 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand all of this hate for Fournette.  He had 1,674 total yards (rushing/receiving yards) last year and this was despite a pretty bad offensive line.  Do people not understand how incredible that is!?!!?  

Agreed.  I understand that he may have been a little immature and a bit of a locker room cancer, but it speaks to two constantly recurring themes since 2013:  (a) choosing to bring in "bad" character players; and (b) not establishing a positive culture of mutual respect within the team.  Every team is going to a few have guys with abrasive personalities, but the good teams understand how to develop their culture and manage these players to align their goals with the organization.  The city of Jacksonville has a lot to sell with a great climate, cheap cost of living, and no state income tax.  With the right leadership, players should be chomping at the bit to come here.  Instead, they are dying to leave and are grateful to end up in CLEVELAND, of all places.  Think about that for a second.

I honestly think the Jags Organization is content with a mediocre team, with a lot of “yes, men” type players who are easy to manage. If they win then, great. But if they lose, they are content with it since they found out the team can continue to make money.

I don’t think they want to deal with the necessary task of managing the personalities that typically comes with talented players with diva attitudes. Basically they want easy street. And they’ll use the locker-room-cancer cop out to justify their decision

I understand that every once in a while you’ll have somebody that you really have to off-load. But I mean, can you at least try to not piss off ALL our pro-bowlers?

(09-07-2020, 06:48 AM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly think the Jags Organization is content with a mediocre team, with a lot of “yes, men” type players who are easy to manage. If they win then, great. But if they lose, they are content with it since they found out the team can continue to make money.

I don’t think they want to deal with the necessary task of managing the personalities that typically comes with talented players with diva attitudes. Basically they want easy street. And they’ll use the locker-room-cancer cop out to justify their decision

I understand that every once in a while you’ll have somebody that you really have to off-load. But I mean, can you at least try to not piss off ALL our pro-bowlers?

That is a very disheartening, yet seemingly accurate, observation.  But I would say we currently are AIMING for mediocrity... we have a long way to go to get there.  Mediocrity would be 7-9 wins.  In the last decade, we have reached the 7 win threshold only once (2017).  Last year's 6-10 record was actually our 2nd best season in the last 10 years.  But Caldwell has been doing a great job... 

In regards to the character issue, I'm not in the locker room. I do know that he has had some off the field issues. However, one thing I would like point out is that Fournette was voted by his teammates as one of their captains for the 2018 season. Some teammates obviously saw him as a positive influence. Even if he was less than great in the locker room, a well run team would learn to work with it when you get that kind of on the field performance. This team has too little talent to keep letting the good talent they do have go elsewhere.

(08-31-2020, 10:29 AM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't he have 2 TDs all last year?

He had 10 TD's in his rookie year and 6 TD's in his second season despite missing half of the season.  Last year, he did struggle in TD's with only 3.  I would largely blame it on the horrendous offensive line that just got manhandled in short yardage situations.  Some blame could also probably be put on ineffective play calling.  That being said, even if we were to concede that Fournette is not a good goal line running back, the solution would be to find a complimentary situational back for that role.  If it's moving the team down the field, Fournette did that well as evidenced by his 1,674 total yards, the fifth best in Jaguars history.  This team has too little talent to be throwing away the few quality players it has.

(09-01-2020, 10:46 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-01-2020, 10:44 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]Welp, LF goes down in history as another one of the worst first rounds busts in NFL history.  

How Dave Caldwell has a job at this point is beyond me.  This roster is as bad or worse than what Gene Smith left us with.

I'm not a Dave fan at all but this roster is much better than when Gene left

I'm no fan of Gene Smith, but he actually had a slightly better winning percentage of 34% than Caldwell at 32% and somehow Caldwell has been given seven years and now a eighth year.  If you blame Coughlin for Caldwell's failures, I would point out that Caldwell's record drops to 23% if you only count the years without Coughlin.  That's an average of less than 4 wins per season.  It's almost incomprehensible that he's still here.  I also think it's extremely likely that he's back next year.  There's no way Caldwell makes the moves he did this offseason if he thought this year was make or break.  He's clearly been told that he'll have another year.

(09-07-2020, 02:15 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-01-2020, 10:46 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not a Dave fan at all but this roster is much better than when Gene left

I'm no fan of Gene Smith, but he actually had a slightly better winning percentage of 34% than Caldwell at 32% and somehow Caldwell has been given seven years and now a eighth year.  If you blame Coughlin for Caldwell's failures, I would point out that Caldwell's record drops to 23% if you only count the years without Coughlin.  That's an average of less than 4 wins per season.  It's almost incomprehensible that he's still here.  I also think it's extremely likely that he's back next year.  There's no way Caldwell makes the moves he did this offseason if he thought this year was make or break.  He's clearly been told that he'll have another year.

I wanted Dave gone a few years back, but I feel he has improved a lot in the draft and who he drafts.  I think we had the best draft last year out of any team in the league, not sure if that was mostly Coughlin or not though.  I really like what he did in the draft this year but time will tell.  Give me this team any day though than the one when Gene left, much more talent imo

(09-07-2020, 02:15 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm no fan of Gene Smith, but he actually had a slightly better winning percentage of 34% than Caldwell at 32% and somehow Caldwell has been given seven years and now a eighth year.  If you blame Coughlin for Caldwell's failures, I would point out that Caldwell's record drops to 23% if you only count the years without Coughlin.  That's an average of less than 4 wins per season.  It's almost incomprehensible that he's still here.  I also think it's extremely likely that he's back next year.  There's no way Caldwell makes the moves he did this offseason if he thought this year was make or break.  He's clearly been told that he'll have another year.

If we don't show any progress and get to at least 7 wins this season, I cannot fathom how he's back for a 9th year.  There will be mutiny.  I do not believe he has been told he is back next year regardless.  Based on his press conference, I believe he and Morrone believe if they show improvement (or at least hope) with a young roster that they will have a chance at coming back.

(09-07-2020, 02:43 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-07-2020, 02:15 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm no fan of Gene Smith, but he actually had a slightly better winning percentage of 34% than Caldwell at 32% and somehow Caldwell has been given seven years and now a eighth year.  If you blame Coughlin for Caldwell's failures, I would point out that Caldwell's record drops to 23% if you only count the years without Coughlin.  That's an average of less than 4 wins per season.  It's almost incomprehensible that he's still here.  I also think it's extremely likely that he's back next year.  There's no way Caldwell makes the moves he did this offseason if he thought this year was make or break.  He's clearly been told that he'll have another year.

If we don't show any progress and get to at least 7 wins this season, I cannot fathom how he's back for a 9th year.  There will be mutiny.  I do not believe he has been told he is back next year regardless.  Based on his press conference, I believe he and Morrone believe if they show improvement (or at least hope) with a young roster that they will have a chance at coming back.

Agreed

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This team has a bunch of talent on the defensive side of the ball we are just young, im ready to see how it plays out.

(09-07-2020, 02:00 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-31-2020, 10:29 AM)Mandeezee Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't he have 2 TDs all last year?

He had 10 TD's in his rookie year and 6 TD's in his second season despite missing half of the season.  Last year, he did struggle in TD's with only 3.  I would largely blame it on the horrendous offensive line that just got manhandled in short yardage situations.  Some blame could also probably be put on ineffective play calling.  That being said, even if we were to concede that Fournette is not a good goal line running back, the solution would be to find a complimentary situational back for that role.  If it's moving the team down the field, Fournette did that well as evidenced by his 1,674 total yards, the fifth best in Jaguars history.  This team has too little talent to be throwing away the few quality players it has.

Holes were there, he just never saw them

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(09-07-2020, 02:45 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-07-2020, 02:43 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]If we don't show any progress and get to at least 7 wins this season, I cannot fathom how he's back for a 9th year.  There will be mutiny.  I do not believe he has been told he is back next year regardless.  Based on his press conference, I believe he and Morrone believe if they show improvement (or at least hope) with a young roster that they will have a chance at coming back.

Agreed

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This team has a bunch of talent on the defensive side of the ball we are just young, im ready to see how it plays out.

I'm more anxious to see our offense under Gruden. Hopefully Eifert gives us an answer at TE. Our receiving corp is loaded and I have a lot of confidence in Minshew being able to deliver. If we have to be a pass to set up the run team, so be it. Leonard was part of the problem, not the solution. After 2017, his explosiveness took a huge hit. He was being arm tackled by DB's. He was too injury prone. Remember Fowler got shipped off to LA because of beef with Ngakoue, or so the story was told. Then Ngakoue wanted to hold out and thinks he's a top 5 DE. Traded away. We should be willing to give these young guys a chance. The Jaguars won't be a playoff team this year but I don't think we'll be the laughing stock of the league like we are before the season has started.

(09-07-2020, 03:19 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-07-2020, 02:00 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]He had 10 TD's in his rookie year and 6 TD's in his second season despite missing half of the season.  Last year, he did struggle in TD's with only 3.  I would largely blame it on the horrendous offensive line that just got manhandled in short yardage situations.  Some blame could also probably be put on ineffective play calling.  That being said, even if we were to concede that Fournette is not a good goal line running back, the solution would be to find a complimentary situational back for that role.  If it's moving the team down the field, Fournette did that well as evidenced by his 1,674 total yards, the fifth best in Jaguars history.  This team has too little talent to be throwing away the few quality players it has.

Holes were there, he just never saw them

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Was gonna say this, there was a number of times where different people broke down run plays and LF just had bad vision and missed the hole.  There is a reason LF was the 45th ranked RB last year.  I dont believe he is that bad but you can't just look at stats

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(09-07-2020, 03:21 PM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-07-2020, 02:45 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed

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This team has a bunch of talent on the defensive side of the ball we are just young, im ready to see how it plays out.

I'm more anxious to see our offense under Gruden. Hopefully Eifert gives us an answer at TE. Our receiving corp is loaded and I have a lot of confidence in Minshew being able to deliver. If we have to be a pass to set up the run team, so be it. Leonard was part of the problem, not the solution. After 2017, his explosiveness took a huge hit. He was being arm tackled by DB's. He was too injury prone. Remember Fowler got shipped off to LA because of beef with Ngakoue, or so the story was told. Then Ngakoue wanted to hold out and thinks he's a top 5 DE. Traded away. We should be willing to give these young guys a chance. The Jaguars won't be a playoff team this year but I don't think we'll be the laughing stock of the league like we are before the season has started.

Yan also got into it with Linder.  I think a lot of the vets and probably the younger players to will play with a chip on his shoulder.  I think Minshew and a lot of players are getting tired of the media saying we are tanking and will be the worst team in the league.  I feel we have a betrer team than last year and we won 6 games

(09-07-2020, 01:17 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand all of this hate for Fournette.  He had 1,674 total yards (rushing/receiving yards) last year and this was despite a pretty bad offensive line.  Do people not understand how incredible that is!?!!?  Let me tell you.  It's more than any other player in Jaguars history not named "Fred Taylor" or "Maurice Jones Drew".  Let's even look at those two players.  Fred Taylor  was ranked #2 on the Jaguars 25 year all time team list, is a member of the "Pride of the Jaguars" and has been a semi-finalist for the NFL Hall of Fame.  In his 13 year career, only twice did he exceed 1,674 yards.  Let me repeat it, Fred Taylor failed to have the success of Fournette's last year performance in 11 of his 13 seasons.  As for MJD, let's remember that he was ranked 4th on the Jaguar list of the 25 all time best players.  In 7 of his 9 years, he failed to have the total yards of Fournette last year!

We're somehow BETTER by letting Fournette go!?!?!? Please!  He was over 30% of our offensive yards last year!!!!!  Who are our alternatives at the position?  Instead of Fournette's 1,152 rushing yards, we can pick between guys with 138 yards (Thompson), 108 yards (Armstead), 27 yards (Ozigbo) and 0 yards (undrafted rookie Robinson).  Gee, Dave Caldwell.  You are so smart!!!!!

He got yards because he was force fed the football.. The guy had to catch 76 balls (targeted 100 times) to barely reach 500 receiving yards. There's nothing about his game that's above average and there's plenty of it that is below. To even put his name in the same sentence as Freddy T and MJD is laughable. Fournette couldn't hold their jockstrap.

If he was a 3rd, or later round pick, nobody would really bat an eye at this cut. It's just that people know his name because he was over hyped and highly drafted. Yet they have never really watched him play the past 3 seasons in the NFL, besides a few highlights. After 3 years of watching him play I (and many others) know exactly what he is as a RB and it's nothing special in the NFL. He simply lacks vision and can't create anything on his own (among some other things). Two things that are incredibly important at the NFL level.

There's no hate, I wish him well. It's just that most can see past the numbers because they never tell the full story. It was just time to move on (he was 100% gone at years end anyways). Hes got a stacked cast around him now with the Bucs, so no excuses now.

(09-07-2020, 04:36 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-07-2020, 01:17 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand all of this hate for Fournette.  He had 1,674 total yards (rushing/receiving yards) last year and this was despite a pretty bad offensive line.  Do people not understand how incredible that is!?!!?  Let me tell you.  It's more than any other player in Jaguars history not named "Fred Taylor" or "Maurice Jones Drew".  Let's even look at those two players.  Fred Taylor  was ranked #2 on the Jaguars 25 year all time team list, is a member of the "Pride of the Jaguars" and has been a semi-finalist for the NFL Hall of Fame.  In his 13 year career, only twice did he exceed 1,674 yards.  Let me repeat it, Fred Taylor failed to have the success of Fournette's last year performance in 11 of his 13 seasons.  As for MJD, let's remember that he was ranked 4th on the Jaguar list of the 25 all time best players.  In 7 of his 9 years, he failed to have the total yards of Fournette last year!

We're somehow BETTER by letting Fournette go!?!?!? Please!  He was over 30% of our offensive yards last year!!!!!  Who are our alternatives at the position?  Instead of Fournette's 1,152 rushing yards, we can pick between guys with 138 yards (Thompson), 108 yards (Armstead), 27 yards (Ozigbo) and 0 yards (undrafted rookie Robinson).  Gee, Dave Caldwell.  You are so smart!!!!!

He got yards because he was force fed the football.. The guy had to catch 76 balls (targeted 100 times) to barely reach 500 receiving yards. There's nothing about his game that's above average and there's plenty of it that is below. To even put his name in the same sentence as Freddy T and MJD is laughable. Fournette couldn't hold their jockstrap.

If he was a 3rd, or later round pick, nobody would really bat an eye at this cut. It's just that people know his name because he was over hyped and highly drafted. Yet they have never really watched him play the past 3 seasons in the NFL, besides a few highlights. After 3 years of watching him play I (and many others) know exactly what he is as a RB and it's nothing special in the NFL. He simply lacks vision and can't create anything on his own (among some other things). Two things that are incredibly important at the NFL level.

There's no hate, I wish him well. It's just that most can see past the numbers because they never tell the full story. It was just time to move on (he was 100% gone at years end anyways). Hes got a stacked cast around him now with the Bucs, so no excuses now.

Speaking of Fournette being overhyped, you should hear the local Tampa media. It’s like the Bucs have signed Barry Sanders or Jim Brown. Like it hasn't dawned on them that not only did no team offer a draft pick for him, no team claimed him off of waivers. 

The hilarious thing is they restructured Mike Evan's contract just to sign Fournette. Yes, up against the cap, they pushed money out to future caps for Leonard Fournette.