(09-07-2020, 03:21 PM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm more anxious to see our offense under Gruden. Hopefully Eifert gives us an answer at TE. Our receiving corp is loaded and I have a lot of confidence in Minshew being able to deliver. If we have to be a pass to set up the run team, so be it. Leonard was part of the problem, not the solution. After 2017, his explosiveness took a huge hit. He was being arm tackled by DB's. He was too injury prone. Remember Fowler got shipped off to LA because of beef with Ngakoue, or so the story was told. Then Ngakoue wanted to hold out and thinks he's a top 5 DE. Traded away. We should be willing to give these young guys a chance. The Jaguars won't be a playoff team this year but I don't think we'll be the laughing stock of the league like we are before the season has started.
How are we "loaded" at WR?!? PFF has our unit ranked #32, dead last in the league. While I do not agree with that PFF ranking at all, we are at best an average group there. I agree that the addition of Eifert gives us something we haven't had since Marcedes Lewis was rolling here. I really like Minshew, but not sure he is going to be able to do even what he did last year with this cast now the DC's in the league have about a dozen games of film on him to take away what he's best at doing.
(09-07-2020, 04:54 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2020, 03:21 PM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm more anxious to see our offense under Gruden. Hopefully Eifert gives us an answer at TE. Our receiving corp is loaded and I have a lot of confidence in Minshew being able to deliver. If we have to be a pass to set up the run team, so be it. Leonard was part of the problem, not the solution. After 2017, his explosiveness took a huge hit. He was being arm tackled by DB's. He was too injury prone. Remember Fowler got shipped off to LA because of beef with Ngakoue, or so the story was told. Then Ngakoue wanted to hold out and thinks he's a top 5 DE. Traded away. We should be willing to give these young guys a chance. The Jaguars won't be a playoff team this year but I don't think we'll be the laughing stock of the league like we are before the season has started.
How are we "loaded" at WR?!? PFF has our unit ranked #32, dead last in the league. While I do not agree with that PFF ranking at all, we are at best an average group there. I agree that the addition of Eifert gives us something we haven't had since Marcedes Lewis was rolling here. I really like Minshew, but not sure he is going to be able to do even what he did last year with this cast now the DC's in the league have about a dozen games of film on him to take away what he's best at doing.
I don't care what PFF has our WR's rated. Chark is a star on the rise, if Shenault can stay healthy, he's a dynamic player, Conley is one of the better #3 WR's in the league, Westbrook has proven his worth and Cole has shown at times, he can be a very good receiver. I like this group and I don't like much on this team, overall.
(09-07-2020, 05:21 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care what PFF has our WR's rated. Chark is a star on the rise, if Shenault can stay healthy, he's a dynamic player, Conley is one of the better #3 WR's in the league, Westbrook has proven his worth and Cole has shown at times, he can be a very good receiver. I like this group and I don't like much on this team, overall.
I agree that I don't care much about the PFF ranking of #32, and I think this might be our best position group on the team. I'm just saying to call this group "loaded" is a stretch. I'd rank them in the middle of the league... like 16-20 myself.
Anddddd he opens his mouth and runs it:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2983...-really-qb
I mean I get feeling that way privately about Bortles, but this team put up with a lot from his immature actions and Minshew gave his all under center.
Wishing him nothing but mediocrity
(09-08-2020, 03:12 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Anddddd he opens his mouth and runs it:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2983...-really-qb
I mean I get feeling that way privately about Bortles, but this team put up with a lot from his immature actions and Minshew gave his all under center.
Wishing him nothing but mediocrity
Well he's nothing but mediocre... and Tom Brady is now a worse QB than Minshew. Father Time is undefeated and smashed into him hard.
(09-08-2020, 03:12 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Anddddd he opens his mouth and runs it:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2983...-really-qb
I mean I get feeling that way privately about Bortles, but this team put up with a lot from his immature actions and Minshew gave his all under center.
Wishing him nothing but mediocrity
His phrasing is a little clumsy but I don't think he meant to sound acrimonious. However, he's going to find out a stacked box wasn't the only reason he was putting up average numbers.
(09-08-2020, 03:12 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Anddddd he opens his mouth and runs it:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2983...-really-qb
I mean I get feeling that way privately about Bortles, but this team put up with a lot from his immature actions and Minshew gave his all under center.
Wishing him nothing but mediocrity
See...I don't see that about being a slam at the Jaguars.
Think back to his college career.
Did LSU have any semblance of a passing game when he was there?
Of course not.
I can't speak to what happened with him in high school.
But can anyone successfully argue that Bortles was a good QB?
Foles played 11 plays here, got hurt, missed half the season, played three games and wasn't close to what was expected;. Minshew came in as a rookie, and wasn't going to take safeties out of the box.
Face it, Fournette was right.
(09-08-2020, 03:12 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Anddddd he opens his mouth and runs it:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2983...-really-qb
I mean I get feeling that way privately about Bortles, but this team put up with a lot from his immature actions and Minshew gave his all under center.
Wishing him nothing but mediocrity
That kind of statement, "For the first time in my life I have a quarterback..." is why I would not want him on my team. Whether he liked Bortles and Minshew or not, those were his teammates, and there was no good reason for him to make such a statement.
It's like during the last offseason, when he was campaigning for the Jags to sign Cam Newton. That kind of stuff is not acceptable. You want everyone pulling in the same direction. You don't want a guy saying "Let's sign this other QB" with the extremely obvious implication that he has no confidence in the guy currently under center. How is the current QB supposed to feel about that?
(09-08-2020, 03:37 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2020, 03:12 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Anddddd he opens his mouth and runs it:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2983...-really-qb
I mean I get feeling that way privately about Bortles, but this team put up with a lot from his immature actions and Minshew gave his all under center.
Wishing him nothing but mediocrity
His phrasing is a little clumsy but I don't think he meant to sound acrimonious. However, he's going to find out a stacked box wasn't the only reason he was putting up average numbers.
I agree with his phrasing being off. I think he meant that all the way back to his LSU days he never had a QB who was without a doubt "the guy." It's always been a controversy at the position for teams he's on, never stable until now for him. Even with Minshew this year, he's still hearing the Trevor talk.
Whether it's true or not, it still shouldn't be said. Quite frankly he's a turd for doing so. But we knew that already.
Exactly. And from reports I have read, some of the other players didn't want him on the team. If that is true, this would probably be one of the reasons why.
(09-07-2020, 04:49 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-07-2020, 04:36 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]He got yards because he was force fed the football.. The guy had to catch 76 balls (targeted 100 times) to barely reach 500 receiving yards. There's nothing about his game that's above average and there's plenty of it that is below. To even put his name in the same sentence as Freddy T and MJD is laughable. Fournette couldn't hold their jockstrap.
If he was a 3rd, or later round pick, nobody would really bat an eye at this cut. It's just that people know his name because he was over hyped and highly drafted. Yet they have never really watched him play the past 3 seasons in the NFL, besides a few highlights. After 3 years of watching him play I (and many others) know exactly what he is as a RB and it's nothing special in the NFL. He simply lacks vision and can't create anything on his own (among some other things). Two things that are incredibly important at the NFL level.
There's no hate, I wish him well. It's just that most can see past the numbers because they never tell the full story. It was just time to move on (he was 100% gone at years end anyways). Hes got a stacked cast around him now with the Bucs, so no excuses now.
Speaking of Fournette being overhyped, you should hear the local Tampa media. It’s like the Bucs have signed Barry Sanders or Jim Brown. Like it hasn't dawned on them that not only did no team offer a draft pick for him, no team claimed him off of waivers.
The hilarious thing is they restructured Mike Evan's contract just to sign Fournette. Yes, up against the cap, they pushed money out to future caps for Leonard Fournette.
LOL not surprised. Bucs fans will be in for a rude awakening once they start watching him run straight into the backs of their OL over and over for a 1-2 yard gain.
(09-08-2020, 03:42 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2020, 03:12 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Anddddd he opens his mouth and runs it:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2983...-really-qb
I mean I get feeling that way privately about Bortles, but this team put up with a lot from his immature actions and Minshew gave his all under center.
Wishing him nothing but mediocrity
See...I don't see that about being a slam at the Jaguars.
Think back to his college career.
Did LSU have any semblance of a passing game when he was there?
Of course not.
I can't speak to what happened with him in high school.
But can anyone successfully argue that Bortles was a good QB?
Foles played 11 plays here, got hurt, missed half the season, played three games and wasn't close to what was expected;. Minshew came in as a rookie, and wasn't going to take safeties out of the box.
Face it, Fournette was right.
I would normally agree with you but if you look at the article, his stacked box percentage *decreased* each year he was here. His lowest being the 2019 season which coincidentally was when Minshew played his heart out
Something tells me defenses saw on tape what we saw: he’s not a true game changing threat regardless of how many men are in the box
(09-08-2020, 03:42 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2020, 03:12 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Anddddd he opens his mouth and runs it:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2983...-really-qb
I mean I get feeling that way privately about Bortles, but this team put up with a lot from his immature actions and Minshew gave his all under center.
Wishing him nothing but mediocrity
See...I don't see that about being a slam at the Jaguars.
Think back to his college career.
Did LSU have any semblance of a passing game when he was there?
Of course not.
I can't speak to what happened with him in high school.
But can anyone successfully argue that Bortles was a good QB?
Foles played 11 plays here, got hurt, missed half the season, played three games and wasn't close to what was expected;. Minshew came in as a rookie, and wasn't going to take safeties out of the box.
Face it, Fournette was right.
When I hear him say it, he sounds more excited to play with Brady than disparaging towards the Jags. He also makes great points about facing less fronts that are trying to stop the run.
All that being said, it was still the sort of brain fart moment that gets examined under a microscope. He has had a few of these so far and they will probably pester his teams the rest of his career.
If I were Tampa, I am not really worried about this being an insult towards his old team. I am much more concerned that he wants to ride the passing game's coat tails. Typically RBs like him want to impose the running game on their opponents. I don't care if there are 8 in the box, you can't stop us. That is the attitude that worked in 2017 for him, but for whatever reason he lost that.
(09-08-2020, 05:39 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2020, 03:42 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]See...I don't see that about being a slam at the Jaguars.
Think back to his college career.
Did LSU have any semblance of a passing game when he was there?
Of course not.
I can't speak to what happened with him in high school.
But can anyone successfully argue that Bortles was a good QB?
Foles played 11 plays here, got hurt, missed half the season, played three games and wasn't close to what was expected;. Minshew came in as a rookie, and wasn't going to take safeties out of the box.
Face it, Fournette was right.
When I hear him say it, he sounds more excited to play with Brady than disparaging towards the Jags. He also makes great points about facing less fronts that are trying to stop the run.
All that being said, it was still the sort of brain fart moment that gets examined under a microscope. He has had a few of these so far and they will probably pester his teams the rest of his career.
If I were Tampa, I am not really worried about this being an insult towards his old team. I am much more concerned that he wants to ride the passing game's coat tails. Typically RBs like him want to impose the running game on their opponents. I don't care if there are 8 in the box, you can't stop us. That is the attitude that worked in 2017 for him, but for whatever reason he lost that.
He's a good player, but not a difference maker. He signed for 2.5 mil with the Bucs.
He's just a guy. Talent, but no deep in the heart drive to be great. Bye-bye to another annoyance and headache.
The dude shuffles his feet only to end up going straight and then gets stonewalled
(09-08-2020, 06:15 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2020, 05:39 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]When I hear him say it, he sounds more excited to play with Brady than disparaging towards the Jags. He also makes great points about facing less fronts that are trying to stop the run.
All that being said, it was still the sort of brain fart moment that gets examined under a microscope. He has had a few of these so far and they will probably pester his teams the rest of his career.
If I were Tampa, I am not really worried about this being an insult towards his old team. I am much more concerned that he wants to ride the passing game's coat tails. Typically RBs like him want to impose the running game on their opponents. I don't care if there are 8 in the box, you can't stop us. That is the attitude that worked in 2017 for him, but for whatever reason he lost that.
He's a good player, but not a difference maker. He signed for 2.5 mil with the Bucs.
He's just a guy. Talent, but no deep in the heart drive to be great. Bye-bye to another annoyance and headache.
That's the thing with running backs in the "modern NFL". The only two "great" running backs that come to mind off the top of my head since Fred Taylor are maybe Adrian Peterson and maybe Le'Veon Bell. I honestly can't think of another right now.
(09-08-2020, 03:12 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Anddddd he opens his mouth and runs it:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2983...-really-qb
I mean I get feeling that way privately about Bortles, but this team put up with a lot from his immature actions and Minshew gave his all under center.
Wishing him nothing but mediocrity
In all due respect, he went to the AFC Championship game with Blake Bortles at QB and a bunch of garbage at the receiver position. So it's unfair for you to throw Blake on the bus but act like Gardner Minshew they have his share of flaws last year too. Leonard fournette didn't call for Cam Newton because Gardner Minshew was a pro bowl level QB. He called for Cam Newton because he wanted an upgrade from Gardner Minshew so he's far from a finished product.
Bottom line is Gardner Minshew has a lot to prove and just because he reminds everyone of Ricky Bobby that doesn't negate the fact that he has a bunch of question marks about his future at the QB of Jacksonville.
(09-08-2020, 06:32 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2020, 06:15 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]He's a good player, but not a difference maker. He signed for 2.5 mil with the Bucs.
He's just a guy. Talent, but no deep in the heart drive to be great. Bye-bye to another annoyance and headache.
That's the thing with running backs in the "modern NFL". The only two "great" running backs that come to mind off the top of my head since Fred Taylor are maybe Adrian Peterson and maybe Le'Veon Bell. I honestly can't think of another right now.
McCaffrey is better than Bell in every way, only if he had the Pit. oline Bell had