(08-17-2021, 09:36 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]That piece of cowardly [BLEEP] said it was Afghanistan's fault they fell. As if that little [BLEEP] has ever been in a fight in his entire cowardly pathetic life.
What a coward. I wish that factory worker had taken that piece of garbage on his offer to go outside and delivered one swift punch to his [BLEEP] adams apple and ended his miserable existence for the rest of us.
I've never before wished death on a President... but by God I am now.
Honestly though, when you think about it, as much as Biden is screwing this country into oblivion, as much as Biden sucks, he only carries a little blame..
Blame his voters..
A good read on how and why, after 20 years and billions of dollars spent, the Afghan army failed. And why we will continue to fail because we try to "copy and paste" how we train and fight onto a people and culture who are not like us at all. The Afghan SpecOps soldiers will be able to protect them and theirs, but the regular army? Not so much.
Link
"It's easy to blame-shift, but it ignores the obvious: The Department of Defense (DOD) is absolutely horrible at raising indigenous fighting forces."
Nation building can't happen with a nation that is unable or unwilling to rebuild.
(08-17-2021, 11:48 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]A good read on how and why, after 20 years and billions of dollars spent, the Afghan army failed. And why we will continue to fail because we try to "copy and paste" how we train and fight onto a people and culture who are not like us at all. The Afghan SpecOps soldiers will be able to protect them and theirs, but the regular army? Not so much.
Link
"It's easy to blame-shift, but it ignores the obvious: The Department of Defense (DOD) is absolutely horrible at raising indigenous fighting forces."
Nation building can't happen with a nation that is unable or unwilling to rebuild.
Can you link it again? It just went to msn.com
Definitely agree that the small spec ops they have are fine but the majority of men there don't fight like the DOD and all the other agencies tried to make them.
(08-17-2021, 11:24 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (08-17-2021, 10:33 AM)KingIngram052787 Wrote: [ -> ]Biden's appalling speech on Afghanistan merits a 25th Amendment discussion
I don’t agree. This is just playing the same stupid games the democrats played with Trump. Let’s get away from stupid.
I actually agree with you, though the article made some other good points which I think we've already hit on here.
(08-17-2021, 11:48 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]A good read on how and why, after 20 years and billions of dollars spent, the Afghan army failed. And why we will continue to fail because we try to "copy and paste" how we train and fight onto a people and culture who are not like us at all. The Afghan SpecOps soldiers will be able to protect them and theirs, but the regular army? Not so much.
Link
"It's easy to blame-shift, but it ignores the obvious: The Department of Defense (DOD) is absolutely horrible at raising indigenous fighting forces."
Nation building can't happen with a nation that is unable or unwilling to rebuild.
Someone, I don't remember who, on CNN last night said it best. You cannot build a democracy from the top down. It has to start with the people wanting a revolution and, unfortunately, they aren't willing to fight for that.
(08-17-2021, 12:23 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I'll just leave this here for those tired of being gaslit.
https://youtu.be/McsdDCt_Ei4
I like Krystal and Saagar, but they are wrong. Listened to that yesterday. They honestly believe this is the area that Biden is going to take a stand? Lol... talk about being gaslit. I am all for getting out if that's what they want to do, but it was terribly mismanaged. So terribly, in fact, that I can't help but think it was by design. I appreciate the genuine anti-war sentiment from Breaking Points, but I think they are being short-sighted at the long game, here. It will not surprise me at all if, despite all the talk of leaving, we ended up in another protracted battle there. We are already sending troops back to aid the withdrawal process. Let's see if we're really out in 6 months. The military industrial complex will make their money.
(08-17-2021, 12:59 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (08-17-2021, 12:23 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I'll just leave this here for those tired of being gaslit.
https://youtu.be/McsdDCt_Ei4
I like Krystal and Saagar, but they are wrong. Listened to that yesterday. They honestly believe this is the area that Biden is going to take a stand? Lol... talk about being gaslit. I am all for getting out if that's what they want to do, but it was terribly mismanaged. So terribly, in fact, that I can't help but think it was by design. I appreciate the genuine anti-war sentiment from Breaking Points, but I think they are being short-sighted at the long game, here. It will not surprise me at all if, despite all the talk of leaving, we ended up in another protracted battle there. We are already sending troops back to aid the withdrawal process. Let's see if we're really out in 6 months. The military industrial complex will make their money.
Either you didn't watch it or you think they're liars. Which is it?
I think they are wrong. They think Biden is going against his donors? That's laughable.
(08-17-2021, 01:12 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]I think they are wrong. They think Biden is going against his donors? That's laughable.
Which donors? He was the coporate candidate, his donors were the same set that's directing the talking heads to lambast him on TV right now.
Do you think he's going to send a hundred thousand troops back in after taking such a ridiculous public relations hit like he's doing right now?
I don't expect introspection around here months down the road when he doesn't send an occupying force back in there and he really is just trying to do what he can to save service members' lives moving forward, and that's a shame.
(08-17-2021, 01:02 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (08-17-2021, 12:59 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]I like Krystal and Saagar, but they are wrong. Listened to that yesterday. They honestly believe this is the area that Biden is going to take a stand? Lol... talk about being gaslit. I am all for getting out if that's what they want to do, but it was terribly mismanaged. So terribly, in fact, that I can't help but think it was by design. I appreciate the genuine anti-war sentiment from Breaking Points, but I think they are being short-sighted at the long game, here. It will not surprise me at all if, despite all the talk of leaving, we ended up in another protracted battle there. We are already sending troops back to aid the withdrawal process. Let's see if we're really out in 6 months. The military industrial complex will make their money.
Either you didn't watch it or you think they're liars. Which is it?
What the heck are you talking about? It is possible to disagree with what they were saying and not accuse them of being liars. This mentality right there is why we are so divided.
(08-17-2021, 01:33 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (08-17-2021, 01:02 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Either you didn't watch it or you think they're liars. Which is it?
What the heck are you talking about? It is possible to disagree with what they were saying and not accuse them of being liars. This mentality right there is why we are so divided.
Well the video was from a couple of hours ago, so he couldn't have watched it yesterday, so I hoped he just was thinking it was a video from yesterday and hasn't watched it yet. Either way it's easy to believe that Krystal and Saagar are being genuine and clear eyed. If Lucky2last really did watch it and thinks they're just lying then okay, all we can do is watch and see.
(08-17-2021, 01:40 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (08-17-2021, 01:33 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]What the heck are you talking about? It is possible to disagree with what they were saying and not accuse them of being liars. This mentality right there is why we are so divided.
Well the video was from a couple of hours ago, so he couldn't have watched it yesterday, so I hoped he just was thinking it was a video from yesterday and hasn't watched it yet. Either way it's easy to believe that Krystal and Saagar are being genuine and clear eyed. If Lucky2last really did watch it and thinks they're just lying then okay, all we can do is watch and see.
I believe they believe what they were saying but I don't agree with all of their conclusions. Doesn't make either one of us wrong.
(08-17-2021, 12:01 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (08-17-2021, 11:48 AM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]A good read on how and why, after 20 years and billions of dollars spent, the Afghan army failed. And why we will continue to fail because we try to "copy and paste" how we train and fight onto a people and culture who are not like us at all. The Afghan SpecOps soldiers will be able to protect them and theirs, but the regular army? Not so much.
Link
"It's easy to blame-shift, but it ignores the obvious: The Department of Defense (DOD) is absolutely horrible at raising indigenous fighting forces."
Nation building can't happen with a nation that is unable or unwilling to rebuild.
Can you link it again? It just went to msn.com
Definitely agree that the small spec ops they have are fine but the majority of men there don't fight like the DOD and all the other agencies tried to make them.
It won't link the whole address. The article is named "Shifting the Blame: How the Pentagon Lost Afghanistan," and is from The Hill in case I can't find it.
Meanwhile, the Taliban says they will honor women's rights as long as they are in line with Islamic law, which means they'll treat women and girls like [BLEEP]. And the press is allowed to remain independent as long as they don't go against national values.
Mujahid, who had been a shadowy figure for years, promised the Taliban would honor women's rights, but within the norms of Islamic law, though he gave few details. He said the group wanted private media to "remain independent," but stressed journalists "should not work against national values."
And he promised the insurgents would secure Afghanistan - but seek no revenge against those who worked with the former government or with foreign governments or forces.
"We assure you that nobody will go to their doors to ask why they helped," he said.
Link
I hope no one is taking any of these gestures seriously. The American media (and politicians) has taught the Taliban how to put on a top notch dog and pony show.
(08-17-2021, 01:40 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (08-17-2021, 01:33 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]What the heck are you talking about? It is possible to disagree with what they were saying and not accuse them of being liars. This mentality right there is why we are so divided.
Well the video was from a couple of hours ago, so he couldn't have watched it yesterday, so I hoped he just was thinking it was a video from yesterday and hasn't watched it yet. Either way it's easy to believe that Krystal and Saagar are being genuine and clear eyed. If Lucky2last really did watch it and thinks they're just lying then okay, all we can do is watch and see.
You are right. I only listened to about 5 seconds of that video and thought it was yesterday's. It opened the exact same way. To my knowledge, I have never thought of Krystal and Saagar as liars. I think they get some things right and others wrong. That's how I feel about every news pundit. Breaking points adds a unique voice to American journalism, and I watch most of their content, now including the link you posted in this thread. I appreciate the strength of their convictions. This doesn't mean I need to agree with them.
In this case, I don't respect Krystal and Saagar's military acumen. If they came with facts that supported their position, I'd be more open to it. Normally they are pretty good about out. However, this segment and the one I referenced yesterday, is based almost entirely on emotions. I can get behind them criticizing the military industrial complex. However, I just don't think they understand enough about the logistics of war to say whether or not this was done correctly. This withdrawal was done terribly. Period. I don't believe that was on accident, either.
To put this simply, I don't believe Biden. I don't know what's going on with the news, but this isn't something Biden is doing unilaterally. I don't think he does ANYTHING based on his own initiative. Period. The dude is basically a Manchurian candidate. He is the guy that is most likely to do the bidding of the people that funded his campaign. If he's getting out, they want him out, and hearing Krystal and Saagar sing his praises makes me want to vomit. I just don't believe it. For whatever reason, the time in Afghanistan has run it's course, but we will end up back there once terrorism rears it's head again.
(08-17-2021, 12:23 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I'll just leave this here for those tired of being gaslit.
https://youtu.be/McsdDCt_Ei4
What a bunch of leftist liberal nonsense, and yes I watched the video.
The actions that this
administration regime took went against what advisers had been saying. It was a very stupid decision to pull armed forces out of the country prior to getting civilians and allies out. When the Taliban terrorists were approaching and taking over the country, this
administration regime chose to "go on vacation" including the mouthpiece of their regime.
Meanwhile the Vice President put out an "important tweet" over the weekend while this chaos was going down.
https://twitter.com/patrickjmcclure/stat...8537968644
She knows that this is partly her fault as well, but fails to own up to it.
https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/...4880368641
She said just a few months ago that she had a "
key role in Biden's Afghanistan withdrawl decision", yet she is hiding from the media.
I never thought that I would ever see our country look so weak on the world stage... ever.
I sure hope that you leftists and democrats are glad that you are no longer "offended" by tweets from President Trump.
This is a complete, embarrassing utter failure of our so-called "elected leaders" from the top.
Kamala Harris proves how she fails this country with every word that comes out of her mouth.