Quote:Most of you idiots still even talking about Bortles don't know what you're talking about. It's 100% all on the defense.
David Garrard could throw 18 TD in a season and the defense is ranked #5 and the Jags are (9-7).
Blake Bortles could throw 35 TD in a season and the defense is ranked #31 and the Jags are (5-11).
Teddy Bridgewater could throw 14 TD in a season and the defense is ranked #1 and the Vikings are (11-5).
So is Teddy better than Blake Bortles? Is tebow better than Peyton because he won a lot?
So of you inept clowns are embarrassing. The Jags are (0-2) because their defense gives up 30 ppg every year. The Vikings are currently (2-0) because their defense gives up 9.5 ppg
It's not rocket science.
35-0 yesterday going into the 4th quarter. Yep, it's all on the defense.
Quote:Ok, but we don't. So now what do we do in week 2?
His point remains valid though.
As things are playing out now, Blake basically has to be virtually flawless for this team to even have a shot. I happen to be of the mindset that such an expectation is extremely unrealistic. I can't say I'm particularly fond of his tone, but spacecoastjag appears to be correct. You cannot expect sustained success when your defense under this coaching regime routinely (almost expectedly) gives up ~30ppg. I don't care who your QB is, long-term success is not tenable under those conditions.
I said this last year and I'll say it again, Blake should not HAVE to make 40+ pass attempts per game for us to even have a shot.
Quote:His point remains valid though.
As things are playing out now, Blake basically has to be virtually flawless for this team to even have a shot. I happen to be of the mindset that such an expectation is extremely unrealistic. I can't say I'm particularly fond of his tone, but spacecoastjag appears to be correct. You cannot expect sustained success when your defense under this coaching regime routinely (almost expectedly) gives up ~30ppg. I don't care who your QB is, long-term success is not tenable under those conditions.
I said this last year and I'll say it again, Blake should not HAVE to make 40+ pass attempts per game for us to even have a shot.
Yup cant ask a young QB to carry a team like that, no running game or great defense, he has to do it all and its not fair to him, but he has done well for whats been out there, people quickly forget how a crappy QB looks
Quote:I didn't really care for moving Linder to center. he seemed to be really good at guard. moving him seemed silly to me, but let's say he's the good one we have. honestly i dont know out of the other four, who is worth keeping long term. bottom line, as a group they cant get it done.
I'm with you on this one. I wanted him to stay at guard, put Cann at LG, we signed Beachum, wish we would have just gotten a good center in FA or the draft.
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As things are playing out now, Blake basically has to be virtually flawless for this team to even have a shot.
I disagree.
If Blake doesn't play like a rookie, the game is probably 14-7 at the half (if you remove his two picks.. one resulted directly in a TD and the other one could/should have been a touchdown Jags if Blake plays well)
14-7 at the half and you can regroup. You don't have to abandon the run.
He isn't helping anybody with 3 turnovers in the first half alone.
Blake already has 4 turnovers in this NFL season. That just can't happen, period.
The entire team, INCLUDING BLAKE, sucked on Sunday. I blame the players and I also blame the coaching staff for letting this crap happen. I just don't think this team prepares well enough during the week.
Quote:I disagree.
If Blake doesn't play like a rookie, the game is probably 14-7 at the half (if you remove his two picks.. one resulted directly in a TD and the other one could/should have been a touchdown Jags if Blake plays well)
14-7 at the half and you can regroup. You don't have to abandon the run.
He isn't helping anybody with 3 turnovers in the first half alone.
Blake already has 4 turnovers in this NFL season. That just can't happen, period.
The entire team, INCLUDING BLAKE, sucked on Sunday. I blame the players and I also blame the coaching staff for letting this crap happen. I just don't think this team prepares well enough during the week.
Hahaha at Bortles can't have 4 turnovers. He leads the NFL in passing attempts. You don't get it. Big Ben has more with less attempts. Bortles is 24 years old and has ALL of the pressure on him because everything around him sucks besides his WRs. His o line, defense, and head coach are all ranked 31st in the NFL. He DOES need to be perfect to win.
Quote:Hahaha at Bortles can't have 4 turnovers. He leads the NFL in passing attempts. You don't get it. Big Ben has more with less attempts. Bortles is 24 years old and has ALL of the pressure on him because everything around him sucks besides his WRs. His o line, defense, and head coach are all ranked 31st in the NFL. He DOES need to be perfect to win.
Nah. He just cant turn the ball over as often as he does.
Quote:Hahaha at Bortles can't have 4 turnovers. He leads the NFL in passing attempts. You don't get it. Big Ben has more with less attempts. Bortles is 24 years old and has ALL of the pressure on him because everything around him sucks besides his WRs. His o line, defense, and head coach are all ranked 31st in the NFL. He DOES need to be perfect to win.
you're annoying.
reason he passed 50 times is because he turned the ball over 3 times in the first half alone... when you're down 21-0 at the half, your running plans just go out the window.
if you don't see that Bortles has to improve if this team is to win games, then you are simply blind.
nobody here is saying that other parts of the team don't have to improve - but Bortles is among those who have not played as well as they can or should.
Look around the league man. A lot of QBs are passing for a ton of yards. 17 QBs have a QB rating over 90. Even guys we all think suck are putting up incredible numbers. He made a good leap from year 1 to year 2. If he is to continue improving, then he needs to decrease the amount of turnovers that he puts up. Don't like it? Keep laughing, but everyone knows that's the truth.
Lol! Turnovers are irrelevant guys. Big Ben has them too. Lol!
Offense's possessions to start the game;
Wasn't it something like,,
- 3 and out
- INT (SD gets the ball in Jax teritory)
- Fumble
- missed FG (SD gets the ball near midfield)
- 3 and out
- INT
- Sacked out of FG range just before half
- 3 and out to start the 2nd half
Maybe it wasn't exactly that order. But, yeah, that stuff is irrelevant. The defense should've held SD to Zero points during that entire time. It doesn't matter that SD kept getting the ball at Mid-field or better,, and that the Jags offense couldn't even stay on the field.
Nope,, the offense sucking didn't have ANYTHING to do with it.
35-0 through 3 qtrs. It was only the defense.
Quote:you're annoying.
reason he passed 50 times is because he turned the ball over 3 times in the first half alone... when you're down 21-0 at the half, your running plans just go out the window.
if you don't see that Bortles has to improve if this team is to win games, then you are simply blind.
nobody here is saying that other parts of the team don't have to improve - but Bortles is among those who have not played as well as they can or should.
Look around the league man. A lot of QBs are passing for a ton of yards. 17 QBs have a QB rating over 90. Even guys we all think suck are putting up incredible numbers. He made a good leap from year 1 to year 2. If he is to continue improving, then he needs to decrease the amount of turnovers that he puts up. Don't like it? Keep laughing, but everyone knows that's the truth.
You don't know the truth. The truth is Bortles is a top 10 QB and the Jags have a #31 o line, defense, and head coach. You're annoying and I hope Blake leaves as a free agent TBH. Too many ignorant fans here and terrible management.
Quote:I hope Blake leaves as a free agent TBH.
Seriously space? This can't be true. No one wants another QB.
Quote:Seriously space? This can't be true. No one wants another QB.
It's just ignorance.
Gus scoring defense every year.
2013- 28th in NFL
2014- 26th in NFL
2015- 31st in NFL
2016- 29th in NFL
Khan doesn't care. He's clueless when it comes to football. His unintelligent son Tony is the analytics department and in 4 years can't analyze that the defense and head coach is the ENTIRE problem.
Quote:Seriously space? This can't be true. No one wants another QB.
You think Bortles enjoys playing for Gus and this defense? You're wrong.
Quote:You think Bortles enjoys playing for Gus and this defense? You're wrong.
I'd bet you anything that Bortles feels he let the team down just as much as anyone on Sunday.
You don't think he didn't want some of those bad plays back? He'd be the first to tell you he made some bad mistakes (as the whole team did too).
It was an all-out suckfest from Coaching, Defense, Kicking, O-line, and Blake.
They all sucked, Blake included.
It was probably Blake's worst game.
This week should be much better.
Quote:I'd bet you anything that Bortles feels he let the team down just as much as anyone on Sunday.
You don't think he didn't want some of those bad plays back? He'd be the first to tell you he made some bad mistakes (as the whole team did too).
It was an all-out sickest from Coaching, Defense, Kicking, O-line, and Blake.
They all sucked, Blake included.
It was probably Blake's worst game.
This week should be much better.
Out of Coaching, Defense, Kicking, O-line, and Blake.....4 out the 5 SUCK every week for the past 3 years. I'm nearly positive Bortles doesn't believe Gus is a good coach nor the Jags know what they're doing. Positive.
Quote:I'd bet you anything that Bortles feels he let the team down just as much as anyone on Sunday.
You don't think he didn't want some of those bad plays back? He'd be the first to tell you he made some bad mistakes (as the whole team did too).
It was an all-out sickest from Coaching, Defense, Kicking, O-line, and Blake.
They all sucked, Blake included.
It was probably Blake's worst game.
This week should be much better.
We've been saying "this week will be better" for how long now? And we can't saying it out of principle, as in, "it can't get any worse." Yet, we are claiming to have hit rock bottom, finally this past week? I think we've hit "rock bottom? every 2-3 weeks for last 3 seasons.
Blake has never had a running game, something that is supposed to really help young QBs. Year 1 he had the great combo of Gerhart and Denard. Last year it was Yeldon and Denard. This year it has just been Yeldon. I am not ready to jump ship off the Yeldon boat, but I really am not sure about him as a 3 down starter. Yes, the offensive line so far with run blocking has looked terrible but just nothing really jumps out to me with Yeldon. He isn't a burner, isn't that physical, and doesn't have the greatest moves. Hopefully Ivory can get some north south running going and shed a tackle that will be inevitable in the backfield.
I would LOVE to see how Bortles is with an effective run game. I feel like Olsen is calling those bubble screens almost as a run play because he knows running through the offensive line isn't going to work. The pass blocking from the O line has been decent, I will give them that.
Quote:I disagree.
If Blake doesn't play like a rookie, the game is probably 14-7 at the half (if you remove his two picks.. one resulted directly in a TD and the other one could/should have been a touchdown Jags if Blake plays well)
14-7 at the half and you can regroup. You don't have to abandon the run.
He isn't helping anybody with 3 turnovers in the first half alone.
Blake already has 4 turnovers in this NFL season. That just can't happen, period.
The entire team, INCLUDING BLAKE, sucked on Sunday. I blame the players and I also blame the coaching staff for letting this crap happen. I just don't think this team prepares well enough during the week.
I'm sorry, SJV...I didn't see this until just now.
I think this is a circular argument (aka...what I call "Midgard Serpent Syndrome") in that so much is put on his [young] shoulders due to poor coaching, no run game and poor defense that it directly contributes to his turnovers. Note: I'm not absolving Blake of blame and you are absolutely correct, he played like hot garbage this past Sunday but I'm personally willing to give him the benefit of the doubt by believing that as things are right now, he's being set up to fail by default.
Quote:You think Bortles enjoys playing for Gus and this defense? You're wrong.
We all like Blake and believe in him, but your are over the top with your analysis of his performance(s). He played terrible and contributed majorly to the loss. That's a fact. YES, the defense is bad, but man the QB is the one that sets the tone and he has to play better. He didn't, that's called facts no matter how much you love him and think he can do no wrong. He's even admitted he's played terrible.
Quote:I'm sorry, SJV...I didn't see this until just now.
I think this is a circular argument (aka...what I call "Midgard Serpent Syndrome") in that so much is put on his [young] shoulders due to poor coaching, no run game and poor defense that it directly contributes to his turnovers. Note: I'm not absolving Blake of blame and you are absolutely correct, he played like hot garbage this past Sunday but I'm personally willing to give him the benefit of the doubt by believing that as things are right now, he's being set up to fail by default.
that may be so... but I also don't think Blake is a particular strong point on this team, especially compared to the rest of the QBs in the league.
Everything else being equal (talent wise), the quarterback play will decide the winner of each game.
I honestly don't think I can say Blake is better than 1/2 of this league's QBs.
I think with the defense playing better and Blake improving a little, this is still only a 7-8 win team. It's just not good enough.
Where does Blake rank is the ultimate question.
Is he going to push closer to guys like Phillip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers? Or will he be in the Trevor Simien/Osweiler/Tyrod Taylor category? That is the ultimate question.
I think this fanbase loves Blake for a number of reasons. He has shown toughness and good leadership qualities. He does not shy away from contact like our previous QB who was a debacle. He is the anti Blaine Gabbert. He pushes the ball down the field, he takes risk, and is a man. For that, the fanbase loves him. Myself included.
BUT.... he is inaccurate. He still is making boneheaded plays and turns the ball over too much. He also is still not very good early on in the game (I'm sure play calling has something to do with that, but regardless). Compared to what we had, yes he's great and I am excited he is on this team. But sometimes it makes you wonder how special he really is, especially when you look at other QBs in this league and the numbers they are also putting up. Many teams and QBs are putting up a ton of yards and a ton of touchdowns. Many QBs (actually the majority) have a rating over 90 so far this year. Good QB play is almost expected, it's almost a pre-requisite for even having a chance. We just have not had that yet from Blake at a consistent level. I hope he gets there, and I know he can. Will he? That is the question.