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Quote:Enough with the excuses. Everyone praising Dave for the talent on the team but then complain every position sucks.
the hell are you talking about? are you really lumping me with some kind of team apologist? ive been the exact opposite for like 4 years at least. it's just a fact that nobody on this team can block.
Quote:Bortles played poorly yesterday, But, part of that could be contributed to the fact that he was facing a Charger's defense who have a coach on their staff who should know every weakness in Blake's game better than most. Bob Babich almost certainly had some input into the game plan. Not saying that's the only issue here, but if anyone would know how to rattle Blake, it's the guy who was practicing against him every day for a couple of years. Bortles looked rattled most of the game yesterday, and actually showed something we've never seen before from him; frustration.
I still think Bortles has tremendous upside, but he's got to get past the mechanical and mental mistakes in order to get to the next level. San Diego had him confused most of the game yesterday, tricking him into checking out of plays and baiting him into high risk throws. Blake can't hide behind the young player mindset any longer. He needs to get better quickly.
He just put that all on tape. Do we think the Baltimore staff won't do the same?
Blake is the least of my concerns, primarily because he's a 24 year old QB that was raw coming out of college. Some of you act like the ascension to the "franchise QB" elite-level is a linear process, the facts state otherwise, there are peaks and valleys along the way. Cam Newton is considered one of the young-elite QB's in football right now, after an historically great rookie season he went on to post these numbers in his 2nd and 3rd years respectively. In 2012 he threw for 3900 yards 19 TD's and 12 int's, in 2013 he threw for 330 yds 24 td's and 13 int's, not eye popping numbers by any stretch, many were questioning if he was the "guy" moving forward. Cam Newton his turned out to be a pretty darn good player, aided by a great offensive line, a consistent running game, and a defense that gives him (extra) opportunities to make plays. The fact is it's incredibly difficult at this level of football to perform consistently (as a QB) if you can't run the ball, we we're forced to throw it 50 times yesterday,that's just asking for disaster. I'm more concerned with the front offices inability to build a competent run game after 4 years, it's completely unacceptable and it's hurting the development of it's franchise QB.
Quote:He just put that all on tape. Do we think the Baltimore staff won't do the same?
that's why he himself needs to adjust
Quote:He just put that all on tape. Do we think the Baltimore staff won't do the same?
Oh, I fully expect that to become the book on Bortles for the rest of the league. That's why Blake needs to get better, and focus on those weaknesses in his game. Based on his work ethic, I suspect he'll do that, but he needs to do so quickly because this game film is going to be a problem moving forward.
games are won or lost in the week of preparation. i honestly dont know how much emphasis is on that with this team. the sideline outbursts and pep talks wont get it done. what will get it done is more time in the film room, studying, coming up with solutions, ect.
players only meetings wont get it done if it's just to rally the troops type of thing. if they would get together and study their next opponent for a few hours, that might help. saying "LETS GOOOO" does nothing.
Quote:games are won or lost in the week of preparation. i honestly dont know how much emphasis is on that with this team. the sideline outbursts and pep talks wont get it done. what will get it done is more time in the film room, studying, coming up with solutions, ect.
Team building exercises outside of football. Like the whole team going to Dave and Busters, Bowling, Movies, Fishing trip might help. Build camaraderie, brotherhood, family atmosphere.
Quote:Team building exercises outside of football. Like the whole team going to Dave and Busters, Bowling, Movies, Fishing trip might help. Build camaraderie, brotherhood, family atmosphere.
exactly. that crap is just for fun. it does so little for the team in reality. it's good that the teammates like each other and all that, but we need like real X's and O's leadership. it doesn't seem to come from our coaching staff, and the players like Telvin Smith, Jared Odrick (who are good intentioned) dont know what to do.
Quote:how many rushing yards did we have? had we been able to run the ball (and against SD that has not been difficult to do for most teams) that would relieve some pressure off him. he isn't Manning. he isn't Brady. the guy needs a running game to be more successful.
Agreed. The offensive line experiment needs to end and we need to get the line to a point where we can effectively run a coherent offense. The running game is struggling because the lanes are not opening up. How many times do we call a running play and the back is getting hit before he gets to the line? I'd say that's probably happening 60% of the time, if not more.
It seems like this team has had a real issue with the line. When they're opening lanes in the running game, they're getting the QB killed. When they're pass blocking well, the running game struggles. That's partly due to talent, but I think coaching needs to be considered as well. Everyone who thinks Marrone is some sort of coaching savior for this team need only to look at the lack of tangible development with the OL as a unit, and you have to wonder how that level of coaching would translate to the entire team?
On a side note, Omameh actually looked okay at LT, so we might actually have some depth starting to develop.
But did you see our amazing running game in the preseason.
Quote:But did you see our amazing running game in the preseason.
and our explosive vertical passing game. Till we played the Bengals, reality hit, we aint that good as we thought.
preseason couldn't be more irrelevant. i think most people know that.
Quote:that's why he himself needs to adjust
I'm of the mindset there's only so much he can do at this stage. He's still pretty young. I can't believe I'm about to type this, but I can't help but feel like a large part of what we say yesterday is the direct result of what happens when you have a young player at the most important position on the field who, by my uneducated view, pretty much has to carry a team on his back to even be competitive. The running game is non-existent. The defense continues to leak points like a sieve and can't get off the field (with the caveat that turnovers directly contribute to this in a never-ending loop of despair). He's pressing because he feels like he has to and that is directly leading to colossal mistakes which become points for our opponents.
Simply put, at this stage in his career, it is unrealistic to expect Blake to be able to carry this team to successful outcomes virtually all by himself...which is basically where we are now. In each case where we've had any measure of success, it has been a team effort. For as bad as last season was, I distinctly remember the defense actually showing up in a few games and lo and behold, we won the majority of those. This is no absolving him of blame. He deserves a good bit of it for his performance yesterday but let's not pretend he's the root of our problems when what we just suffered through symptomatic of a much more distressing malady. I can't help but cosign what the majority is saying: it's coaching. How can you come out in week 1 and take it to Green Bay (a perennial playoff contender) with a stout defense and the best QB in football one week and nearly lay an egg against a injury decimated and, quite frankly, inferior-to-Green Bay team like San Diego (not to imply the Chargers are awful only that they aren't as talented as the Packers)? Our west coast woes aside, only poor coaching makes any amount of sense on such a scale.
Incidentally, Indianapolis is in the exact same boat now.
Quote:Agreed. The offensive line experiment needs to end and we need to get the line to a point where we can effectively run a coherent offense. The running game is struggling because the lanes are not opening up. How many times do we call a running play and the back is getting hit before he gets to the line? I'd say that's probably happening 60% of the time, if not more.
It seems like this team has had a real issue with the line. When they're opening lanes in the running game, they're getting the QB killed. When they're pass blocking well, the running game struggles. That's partly due to talent, but I think coaching needs to be considered as well. Everyone who thinks Marrone is some sort of coaching savior for this team need only to look at the lack of tangible development with the OL as a unit, and you have to wonder how that level of coaching would translate to the entire team?
On a side note, Omameh actually looked okay at LT, so we might actually have some depth starting to develop.
I didn't really care for moving Linder to center. he seemed to be really good at guard. moving him seemed silly to me, but let's say he's the good one we have. honestly i dont know out of the other four, who is worth keeping long term. bottom line, as a group they cant get it done.
Quote:I'm of the mindset there's only so much he can do at this stage. He's still pretty young. I can't believe I'm about to type this, but I can't help but feel like a large part of what we say yesterday is the direct result of what happens when you have a young player at the most important position on the field who, by my uneducated view, pretty much has to carry a team on his back to even be competitive. The running game is non-existent. The defense continues to leak points like a sieve and can't get off the field (with the caveat that turnovers directly contribute to this in a never-ending loop of despair). He's pressing because he feels like he has to and that is directly leading to colossal mistakes which become points for our opponents.
Simply put, at this stage in his career, it is unrealistic to expect Blake to be able to carry this team to successful outcomes virtually all by himself...which is basically where we are now. In each case where we've had any measure of success, it has been a team effort. For as bad as last season was, I distinctly remember the defense actually showing up in a few games and lo and behold, we won the majority of those. This is no absolving him of blame. He deserves a good bit of it for his performance yesterday but let's not pretend he's the root of our problems when what we just suffered through symptomatic of a much more distressing malady. I can't help but cosign what the majority is saying: it's coaching. How can you come out in week 1 and take it to Green Bay (a perennial playoff contender) with a stout defense and the best QB in football one week and nearly lay an egg against a injury decimated and, quite frankly, inferior-to-Green Bay team like San Diego (not to imply the Chargers are awful only that they aren't as talented as the Packers)? Our west coast woes aside, only poor coaching makes any amount of sense on such a scale.
Incidentally, Indianapolis is in the exact same boat now.
the west coast phenomenon is real. for whatever reason we can never get up to play there.
with that said. i do think it's coaching, but Blake needs to put in the work himself too. we've seen the meetings between Tom Brady and Bill B. Brady studies on his own and brings the ideas to Bill, and they form a game plan. Blake has what it takes physically and has the brain to learn. so much of the game is played from the neck up. there IS alot he can do to get better after this game.
Most of you idiots still even talking about Bortles don't know what you're talking about. It's 100% all on the defense.
David Garrard could throw 18 TD in a season and the defense is ranked #5 and the Jags are (9-7).
Blake Bortles could throw 35 TD in a season and the defense is ranked #31 and the Jags are (5-11).
Teddy Bridgewater could throw 14 TD in a season and the defense is ranked #1 and the Vikings are (11-5).
So is Teddy better than Blake Bortles? Is tebow better than Peyton because he won a lot?
Some of you inept clowns are embarrassing. The Jags are (0-2) because their defense gives up 30 ppg every year, every game. The Vikings are currently (2-0) because their defense gives up 9.5 ppg
It's not rocket science.
Quote:Most of you idiots still even talking about Bortles don't know what you're talking about. It's 100% all on the defense.
David Garrard could throw 18 TD in a season and the defense is ranked #5 and the Jags are (9-7).
Blake Bortles could throw 35 TD in a season and the defense is ranked #31 and the Jags are (5-11).
Teddy Bridgewater could throw 14 TD in a season and the defense is ranked #1 and the Vikings are (11-5).
So is Teddy better than Blake Bortles? Is tebow better than Peyton because he won a lot?
So of you inept clowns are embarrassing. The Jags are (0-2) because their defense gives up 30 ppg every year. The Vikings are currently (2-0) because their defense gives up 9.5 ppg
It's not rocket science.
This, if we had a great defense and running game, Blake wouldnt have to press and force things
Quote:We have to believe in Bortles guys. If you don't, you are looking at another rebuild.
Yep.
I still believe in Bortles. He was horrible yesterday, but as was the entire team. He played well against Green Bay. Just inconsistency throughout this entire team, which falls on the coaching staff.
Quote:This, if we had a great defense and running game, Blake wouldnt have to press and force things
Ok, but we don't. So now what do we do in week 2?
Bortles is still very young. However his biggest issue of not seeing the field well and mistakes with his pre-snap reads have still plagued him so far in both games. Granted that is a very difficult skill, and it is potentially one that he can grow into and learn.
Granted, this team is probably not going to do anything with Bradley coaching anyways. But when a new "win now staff" comes in, can Bortles actually become that QB in 2 years? Because 2-4 years is the window of the rest of team around him.
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