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The titans blow right now. They have a bottom barrel backup qb starting and they'll be in our house. I haven't been this confident in a jags beat down in years.

(01-03-2023, 03:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2023, 12:00 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]LOL!  We do have different definitions...  

I'm more than happy to let Henry have 100 yards and 1 TD.  But if he goes off for 200 YDS and 2 TDs, that could be a problem.

Last game we played, he ripped off 100 Yards in the first quarter!!  That's how great the guy is.  But we basically neutralized for the rest of the game, and that's why we blew them out.  I don't think Henry would consider that game in Nashville a "good" game for him.  And I would agree.  I believe, even though the dude went for 100 yards, that we stopped him for the majority of the game.  To me, that's a win.

The dude is superhuman against us.  Giving up only 100 yards, when the tacks are basically worthless in the air, is absolutely a good thing.  But if Henry is running for 200+ yards and multiple TDs it means they are dominating our defense, and - like I said - that's gonna be a long night for us.

He had 155 all purpose yards in the game  - not sure where this 100 yards thing is coming from -  and he averaged over 10 yards per touch in the second quarter - he just didn't get many touches that quarter and then they were too far behind. 

Let me put it like this - If Vrabel/Downing had kept feeding Henry the rock in that game  I BELIEVE  he 100% would have had 200+ yards and 2 touchdowns. Even figuring in the 4 times he was stuffed on rush attempts and the fumble (at the end of a big gain) he was clicking of 7+ yards per carry and 11.3 yards per catch. He was playing great. 

The only two possessions we stopped him on were the forced fumble near the red zone and the three and out at in the mid 3rd Q. 

They abandoned the run for the remaining 23 minutes of clock. 

I don't think we stopped him at all. They quit feeding him.

I still think he'll need to have a career game on Sat. night to make any sort of difference, because I think our offense can produce more points than theirs. And I think we can get points on the board faster.

Just really quick...

You do know what Derrick Henry normally does to us?  I mean, you get that right?

You are making it sound like "155 all purpose yards" is such a domination....  Henry is capable of 200+ and multiple TDs.  We held him to "155" and only 1 TD.  And the vast majority was in the 1st Quarter.  We shut him down for 3 quarters.  Come on.  I know you watched that game.  WE shut him down on December 11th.  And you know it.  

Based on history, what happened in Nashville this past December is absolutely a nuetralization of King Henry.  I'm not sure why you are acting like the way our D absolutely took out Henry in that game is something to ignore.

You spent another thread eating crow about how our D actually has stepped up.  You ate crow about how you were wrong regarding the Defense and it's ability to adjust.  And yet here you are, acting as though what we did to Henry on December 11th was nothing and should be ignored.

Not me.  I have confidence in this team, and I think if we can hold Henry to only 100 yards than that's a win.  If Henry only scores 1 TD and isn't a factor in the 2nd half, than that should be praised upon and our D should consider that a win.

King Henry has decimated out teams for years when everything was on the line.  Our D has a clear assignment.  And I don't know why you are ignoring how important it is to keep Henry under 200 and less than 2 TDs.  If Henry is over 200 and more than 2 TDs, we're in for a long night.  What I'm saying isn't even controversial.  It's just how it's always been.  UNTILL SATURDAY NIGHT, BABY!!!  It's time to show them that we can stop Henry.  That's gonna be the nail in the tack coffin.

(01-02-2023, 02:05 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]Saturday at 8:15...

Gonna be wild here in Jacksonville.  All I know is that Henry has had our number.  If we can contain him, get out to an early lead, then we win.

But if the D can't stop Henry, it's gonna be a long night.  I'm saying obvious things.

I feel like this Defensive Front 7 is better than we actually give them credit for.  Whether we go 3-4 or modified, the the edge has to contain Henry and bring him back into the middle where we can go low on him and trip him up.  This is Mike Caldwell's opus.  He needs to make sure our LBs and D-Line are working together to suppress Henry. 

Henry wins or loses this game.  Same as it ever was.

Nah; it's not going to be as it was, it going to be new. Cuz the one that will win or lose the game is in Teal.

(01-03-2023, 03:23 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2023, 03:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]He had 155 all purpose yards in the game  - not sure where this 100 yards thing is coming from -  and he averaged over 10 yards per touch in the second quarter - he just didn't get many touches that quarter and then they were too far behind. 

Let me put it like this - If Vrabel/Downing had kept feeding Henry the rock in that game  I BELIEVE  he 100% would have had 200+ yards and 2 touchdowns. Even figuring in the 4 times he was stuffed on rush attempts and the fumble (at the end of a big gain) he was clicking of 7+ yards per carry and 11.3 yards per catch. He was playing great. 

The only two possessions we stopped him on were the forced fumble near the red zone and the three and out at in the mid 3rd Q. 

They abandoned the run for the remaining 23 minutes of clock. 

I don't think we stopped him at all. They quit feeding him.

I still think he'll need to have a career game on Sat. night to make any sort of difference, because I think our offense can produce more points than theirs. And I think we can get points on the board faster.

Just really quick...

You do know what Derrick Henry normally does to us?  I mean, you get that right?

You are making it sound like "155 all purpose yards" is such a domination....  Henry is capable of 200+ and multiple TDs.  We held him to "155" and only 1 TD.  And the vast majority was in the 1st Quarter.  We shut him down for 3 quarters.  Come on.  I know you watched that game.  WE shut him down on December 11th.  And you know it.  

Based on history, what happened in Nashville this past December is absolutely a nuetralization of King Henry.  I'm not sure why you are acting like the way our D absolutely took out Henry in that game is something to ignore.

You spent another thread eating crow about how our D actually has stepped up.  You ate crow about how you were wrong regarding the Defense and it's ability to adjust.  And yet here you are, acting as though what we did to Henry on December 11th was nothing and should be ignored.

Not me.  I have confidence in this team, and I think if we can hold Henry to only 100 yards than that's a win.  If Henry only scores 1 TD and isn't a factor in the 2nd half, than that should be praised upon and our D should consider that a win.

King Henry has decimated out teams for years when everything was on the line.  Our D has a clear assignment.  And I don't know why you are ignoring how important it is to keep Henry under 200 and less than 2 TDs.  If Henry is over 200 and more than 2 TDs, we're in for a long night.  What I'm saying isn't even controversial.  It's just how it's always been.  UNTILL SATURDAY NIGHT, BABY!!!  It's time to show them that we can stop Henry.  That's gonna be the nail in the tack coffin.

OK

11 yards per touch is "shutting him down" I guess. Good to know. 

I find it 100% foolish to reference what some other Jags team allowed from the guy as it has absolutely ZERO bearing on the game this week...  but since you bring it up, there are 5 games in our matchup history wherein he was held to under 4 yards per carry instead of the 7.1 we gave up a few weeks ago.

I hope Doug P shows the players Part 2 of the Titans video before the game and the players come out extra pissed off

(01-03-2023, 03:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2023, 12:00 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]LOL!  We do have different definitions...  

I'm more than happy to let Henry have 100 yards and 1 TD.  But if he goes off for 200 YDS and 2 TDs, that could be a problem.

Last game we played, he ripped off 100 Yards in the first quarter!!  That's how great the guy is.  But we basically neutralized for the rest of the game, and that's why we blew them out.  I don't think Henry would consider that game in Nashville a "good" game for him.  And I would agree.  I believe, even though the dude went for 100 yards, that we stopped him for the majority of the game.  To me, that's a win.

The dude is superhuman against us.  Giving up only 100 yards, when the tacks are basically worthless in the air, is absolutely a good thing.  But if Henry is running for 200+ yards and multiple TDs it means they are dominating our defense, and - like I said - that's gonna be a long night for us.

He had 155 all purpose yards in the game  - not sure where this 100 yards thing is coming from -  and he averaged over 10 yards per touch in the second quarter - he just didn't get many touches that quarter and then they were too far behind. 

Let me put it like this - If Vrabel/Downing had kept feeding Henry the rock in that game  I BELIEVE  he 100% would have had 200+ yards and 2 touchdowns. Even figuring in the 4 times he was stuffed on rush attempts and the fumble (at the end of a big gain) he was clicking off 7+ yards per carry and 11.3 yards per catch. He was playing great. 

The only two possessions we stopped him on were the forced fumble near the red zone and the three and out at in the mid 3rd Q. 

They abandoned the run for the remaining 23 minutes of clock. 

I don't think we stopped him at all. They quit feeding him.

I still think he'll need to have a career game on Sat. night to make any sort of difference, because I think our offense can produce more points than theirs. And I think we can get points on the board faster.

He had 96 rushing yards in the first quarter and 21 yards on 1 run in the 2nd quarter. Had 117 yrds rushing in the first quarter and that one run in the 2nd combined. Outside of that he did nothing on the ground with 121 rushing yards on the day.  Thats why they went away from the run.  If the run game was working you can bet Tenn. would of continued to run the ball because thats what they do.  He had 119 rushing yards in the first half.  I stand corrected on a Jag franchise record in the first quarter, it was a personal record for Henry.  Henry got shut down from the 2nd quarter on, hopefully we can play him like we did for that last 3 quarters.

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(01-03-2023, 07:03 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2023, 03:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]He had 155 all purpose yards in the game  - not sure where this 100 yards thing is coming from -  and he averaged over 10 yards per touch in the second quarter - he just didn't get many touches that quarter and then they were too far behind. 

Let me put it like this - If Vrabel/Downing had kept feeding Henry the rock in that game  I BELIEVE  he 100% would have had 200+ yards and 2 touchdowns. Even figuring in the 4 times he was stuffed on rush attempts and the fumble (at the end of a big gain) he was clicking off 7+ yards per carry and 11.3 yards per catch. He was playing great. 

The only two possessions we stopped him on were the forced fumble near the red zone and the three and out at in the mid 3rd Q. 

They abandoned the run for the remaining 23 minutes of clock - and he still 

I don't think we stopped him at all. They quit feeding him.

I still think he'll need to have a career game on Sat. night to make any sort of difference, because I think our offense can produce more points than theirs. And I think we can get points on the board faster.

He had 96 rushing yards in the first quarter and 21 yards on 1 run in the 2nd quarter. Had 117 yrds rushing in the first quarter and that one run in the 2nd combined. Outside of that he did nothing on the ground with 121 rushing yards on the day.  Thats why they went away from the run.  If the run game was working you can bet Tenn. would of continued to run the ball because thats what they do.  He had 119 rushing yards in the first half.  I stand corrected on a Jag franchise record in the first quarter, it was a personal record for Henry.  Henry got shut down from the 2nd quarter on, hopefully we can play him like we did for that last 3 quarters.

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LOL

Why are you guys so hell bent on acting like this defense shut down Henry? 
I'd love for that to be true, but it just isn't. 

 Henry had 3 carries for 23 yards and a reception for 16 in the 2nd Q before the fumble. 

 Why would you call that shutting him down? Unless you mean his coach and coordinator shut him down.
They should have fed him more.  

Literally the only drive he was shut down on by our defense was the tacks first possession of the second half. 
They stuffed him twice, Tenn. was backed up by a penalty, Tannehill was sacked,  and they punted. That's it. That was the only instance in that whole game that he was "shut down" by our defense. 

 It was nice work by our defense and really good timing to do make stops on that drive, but it doesn't equate to Henry being  "shut down by our defense from the second quarter on." 
It was quickly 27-17 halfway into the third and the tacks abandoned the run.

Has Quarterman earned more than a quarter of defensive snaps for this game, man?

(01-03-2023, 08:44 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Has Quarterman earned more than a quarter of defensive snaps for this game, man?

I think they'll employ that package more. 

It's a 4-3 look  - 4 down linemen with single high safety and press from the other DBs 
 -and the LBs are:

Shag Q at Will  -  Oluokun at Mike  - Lloyd at SAM

The Will is in spy mode 

Shaq Q only played 3 defensive snaps in that football game, but he played 18 this past week vs Houston. 
Maybe they are getting him ready to play that role some more?

(01-03-2023, 08:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2023, 07:03 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He had 96 rushing yards in the first quarter and 21 yards on 1 run in the 2nd quarter. Had 117 yrds rushing in the first quarter and that one run in the 2nd combined. Outside of that he did nothing on the ground with 121 rushing yards on the day.  Thats why they went away from the run.  If the run game was working you can bet Tenn. would of continued to run the ball because thats what they do.  He had 119 rushing yards in the first half.  I stand corrected on a Jag franchise record in the first quarter, it was a personal record for Henry.  Henry got shut down from the 2nd quarter on, hopefully we can play him like we did for that last 3 quarters.

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LOL

Why are you guys so hell bent on acting like this defense shut down Henry? 
I'd love for that to be true, but it just isn't. 

 Henry had 3 carries for 23 yards and a reception for 16 in the 2nd Q before the fumble. 

 Why would you call that shutting him down? Unless you mean his coach and coordinator shut him down.
They should have fed him more.  

Literally the only drive he was shut down on by our defense was the tacks first possession of the second half. 
They stuffed him twice, Tenn. was backed up by a penalty, Tannehill was sacked,  and they punted. That's it. That was the only instance in that whole game that he was "shut down" by our defense. 

 It was nice work by our defense and really good timing to do make stops on that drive, but it doesn't equate to Henry being  "shut down by our defense from the second quarter on." 
It was quickly 27-17 halfway into the third and the tacks abandoned the run.

The surest ways to shut him down this game

1.  Jump out to an early lead and don't let up.

2.  Avoid turnovers like the plague.  Every time we've lost a big game to the tacks, we have a disastrous string of turnovers.

3.  On defense, Penetration rules the nation.

4.  Two words:  Gang tackle.

I’m rooting for Shaq Q. Friend of a friend type thing. So happy when he leveled Henry and created the fumble.

(01-03-2023, 09:00 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2023, 08:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL

Why are you guys so hell bent on acting like this defense shut down Henry? 
I'd love for that to be true, but it just isn't. 

 Henry had 3 carries for 23 yards and a reception for 16 in the 2nd Q before the fumble. 

 Why would you call that shutting him down? Unless you mean his coach and coordinator shut him down.
They should have fed him more.  

Literally the only drive he was shut down on by our defense was the tacks first possession of the second half. 
They stuffed him twice, Tenn. was backed up by a penalty, Tannehill was sacked,  and they punted. That's it. That was the only instance in that whole game that he was "shut down" by our defense. 

 It was nice work by our defense and really good timing to do make stops on that drive, but it doesn't equate to Henry being  "shut down by our defense from the second quarter on." 
It was quickly 27-17 halfway into the third and the tacks abandoned the run.

The surest ways to shut him down this game

1.  Jump out to an early lead and don't let up.

2.  Avoid turnovers like the plague.  Every time we've lost a big game to the tacks, we have a disastrous string of turnovers.

3.  On defense, Penetration rules the nation.

4.  Two words:  Gang tackle.

Agreed

The state of their o-line should help us in preventing a pass game from flourishing. That penetration you mention should be achievable with aggressive play calls. 

Vrabel will need to rely on plenty of smoke and mirrors / gadgets to generate offense outside of hard earned rushing gains from Henry. 

This matchup is stacked up well for the Jags to take care of business. Henry will get his, but it probably won't be enough.

I was at the Gator Bowl and seeing that stadium full and the lights on got me sooooo excited for the game Saturday. I may be wrong but I believe the last night game we had was against Miami during Covid. It was like 20% capacity. Saturday night is going to be a real treat.

(01-03-2023, 08:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2023, 07:03 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]He had 96 rushing yards in the first quarter and 21 yards on 1 run in the 2nd quarter. Had 117 yrds rushing in the first quarter and that one run in the 2nd combined. Outside of that he did nothing on the ground with 121 rushing yards on the day.  Thats why they went away from the run.  If the run game was working you can bet Tenn. would of continued to run the ball because thats what they do.  He had 119 rushing yards in the first half.  I stand corrected on a Jag franchise record in the first quarter, it was a personal record for Henry.  Henry got shut down from the 2nd quarter on, hopefully we can play him like we did for that last 3 quarters.

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LOL

Why are you guys so hell bent on acting like this defense shut down Henry? 
I'd love for that to be true, but it just isn't. 

 Henry had 3 carries for 23 yards and a reception for 16 in the 2nd Q before the fumble. 

 Why would you call that shutting him down? Unless you mean his coach and coordinator shut him down.
They should have fed him more.  

Literally the only drive he was shut down on by our defense was the tacks first possession of the second half. 
They stuffed him twice, Tenn. was backed up by a penalty, Tannehill was sacked,  and they punted. That's it. That was the only instance in that whole game that he was "shut down" by our defense. 

 It was nice work by our defense and really good timing to do make stops on that drive, but it doesn't equate to Henry being  "shut down by our defense from the second quarter on." 
It was quickly 27-17 halfway into the third and the tacks abandoned the run.

Because they did.  Outside of the 1st and the one run in the 2nd he had a whole 4 yards on the ground the entire game.  If the run game was working they would of continued to run Henry but it wasnt.

(01-03-2023, 10:22 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2023, 08:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL

Why are you guys so hell bent on acting like this defense shut down Henry? 
I'd love for that to be true, but it just isn't. 

 Henry had 3 carries for 23 yards and a reception for 16 in the 2nd Q before the fumble. 

 Why would you call that shutting him down? Unless you mean his coach and coordinator shut him down.
They should have fed him more.  

Literally the only drive he was shut down on by our defense was the tacks first possession of the second half. 
They stuffed him twice, Tenn. was backed up by a penalty, Tannehill was sacked,  and they punted. That's it. That was the only instance in that whole game that he was "shut down" by our defense. 

 It was nice work by our defense and really good timing to do make stops on that drive, but it doesn't equate to Henry being  "shut down by our defense from the second quarter on." 
It was quickly 27-17 halfway into the third and the tacks abandoned the run.

Because they did.  Outside of the 1st and the one run in the 2nd he had a whole 4 yards on the ground the entire game.  If the run game was working they would of continued to run Henry but it wasnt.

7.1 yards a carry and 11 yards per reception is getting "shut down"

If that "wasn't working" what does it look like when it is working??
10 yards per carry? 
13? 

In case you'd like some context - 7.1 YPC is indeed Henry's BEST game of efficiency this entire season.

With zero threat of a passing game, I think we can contain Henry

Different Jags team compared to previous years' obviously. I really hope we can get the ball first and just score right away.

I'm so mad I have to work Saturday, gonna try and watch as much as I can on my phone tho.

(01-03-2023, 10:31 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-03-2023, 10:22 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Because they did.  Outside of the 1st and the one run in the 2nd he had a whole 4 yards on the ground the entire game.  If the run game was working they would of continued to run Henry but it wasnt.

7.1 yards a carry and 11 yards per reception is getting "shut down"

If that "wasn't working" what does it look like when it is working??
10 yards per carry? 
13? 

In case you'd like some context - 7.1 YPC is indeed Henry's BEST game of efficiency this entire season.

7.1 ypc is for the whole game.   He had only 4 more rushing yards other than first quarter and the 1 run in the 2nd.   His ypc would of been much higher they didn't shut him down after that.

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(01-03-2023, 11:23 PM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]With zero threat of a passing game, I think we can contain Henry

Different Jags team compared to previous years' obviously. I really hope we can get the ball first and just score right away.

Doug always defers when we win the coin toss.  He has up to this point anyway

I’ve only gotten to watch two games live this year, Chargers and tacks.

I hope the results are the same this Saturday when I’m watching.

We’re going to the stadium extra early for the sake of parking. It’s going to be a madhouse.