(01-04-2023, 12:25 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]There's a lot of heat in this thread. I'm just eating popcorn and enjoying it.
Though I still can't believe some here think that holding Henry to only 120 yards, most of which happened in the 1st Quarter isn't a total victory.
If we can shut Henry to just 120 and 1 TD on Saturday, we win. I keep saying this. And it keeps getting ignored.
If, on the other hand, Henry goes for over 200 yards and has multiple TDs, we're in trouble. It's just the way it always is.... The tacks have had our number for decades. We are 6 and 14 against the tacks since 2013. Out of 20 games, they have beaten us 14 times. It's been an embarrassment.
And they key to most those wins has been Henry. We must stop Henry!!! From all the games I've watched, if we can hold him to less than 130 yards and only 1 TD, we have a chance to win. But if he goes off for 200+ and 2 or more TDs? It's much harder for us to win.
He had 155 yards. Let's not just ignore his catches, please.
And I've said at least 3 times in this thread that it won't be enough to beat us unless Dobbs has the game of his wildest dreams.
RE: stopping Henry
The tacks probably still lose if Henry has 200 APY and 2 TDs, because our current offense has shown it can score quickly or control clock if it chooses.
Simply stated - Henry isn't enough to win this for them unless our offense nosedives and their passing game soars to the heavens.
(01-04-2023, 12:02 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2023, 11:55 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I was alive for it, I watched parts on TV and heard other parts on the radio. I was in high school for it and it was the only topic of discussion both the week before and the week after.
But the simple fact is the 1999 team just wasn't very good. They lucked out with their schedule. The 2007 and 2017 Jags teams were both more talented and more physically dominating than the 1999 squad. I don't think the 1999 defense would have slowed down the Rams. It would have been a shootout and the Rams had more weapons that year. The Titans actually slowed the Rams down and made that Super Bowl a competitive game.
So if we're ranking disappointments, the losses in 2006, 2007, and 2017 rank higher, for me.
The 1999 team wasn't very good? The team that retired Marino and Johnson in one fell swoop 62-7? The team wasn't good against the Tacks because they didn't matchup well (and the tacks were pretty good that year as well 13-3), but to say that the team with the best record in the AFC wasn't good might be the worst take you've ever had in these forums. And that's saying something.
They were good.
But both the Tacks and the Rams were better that year.
Possibly other teams were better as well.
So, they were good, but not "very good."
The 2017 team had a much better claim on being worthy of getting to the super bowl and winning it.
(01-04-2023, 11:55 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2023, 11:37 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I think any Jaguars fan who is alive and at the AFCCG in 1999 would have had a difficult time getting over that loss. I believe in many cases, that loss won't be out of our system until the Jaguars reach/win the Super Bowl.
They have tortured and dominated this team for the better part of two decades, starting in 1999.
Under those circumstances its hard for Jaguars fans to NOT harbor hatred of the tacks.
I was alive for it, I watched parts on TV and heard other parts on the radio. I was in high school for it and it was the only topic of discussion both the week before and the week after.
But the simple fact is the 1999 team just wasn't very good. They lucked out with their schedule. The 2007 and 2017 Jags teams were both more talented and more physically dominating than the 1999 squad. I don't think the 1999 defense would have slowed down the Rams. It would have been a shootout and the Rams had more weapons that year. The Titans actually slowed the Rams down and made that Super Bowl a competitive game.
So if we're ranking disappointments, the losses in 2006, 2007, and 2017 rank higher, for me.
(Emphasis added)
I could not possibly disagree with the passage in bold any stronger, especially the part about the 1999 Jaguars not being very good.
That 1999 team was the culmination of teams that advanced to the playoffs for three straight years prior to 1999. Nobody asserts they "lucked out with the schedule" in 1996-1998. As for the 1999 schedule, the argument they didn't beat anyone with a winning record dominated the discussion. But that was a particularly specious argument The Jaguars earned the sweep over the Ravens that year. However, if they wanted to avoid that criticism of not beating a team with a winning record, they could have lost one of the Ravens games. The Ravens (who, BTW, were a season away from winning the Super Bowl with one of the best defenses of all time) would have finished 9-7 and voila! That criticism disappears. The detractors who point out the schedule actually penalize the Jaguars for superior performance and reward the Jaguars for inferior performance. The Steelers, Bengals, and expansion Browns reboot were clearly inferior teams. Why should the 1999 Jaguars team be penalized for other teams' ineptitude? Lest we forget, the 1999 Jaguars team had Hall of Famer Tony Boselli, three different skill players who finished their careers with over 10,000 yards (Fred Taylor, Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell) and had at least 7 Pro Bowlers. How in the world does that translate into not being very good? Did the team match up well against the tacks? No. But that's a LOT different than not being very good.
This brings me to the one thing that mitigates the untenable nature of your observation. They may not have fared well against the Rams explosive offense had they advanced to the Super Bowl. They could have scored more points against the Rams than the tacks, but I think the Rams would have won a higher scoring game.
Having said that, it's hard for me to envision a more disagreeable football take than the one I just quoted above.
Don't get me wrong.. I hate the Tacks more than any other team but the Colts. But it's not about 1999 as much as it is all those other years they swept us (including 2017!). It's time for us to start sweeping them. This year, next year, the rest of this decade. Colts too.
(01-04-2023, 11:37 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2023, 11:01 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]That's not healthy man. The Jags cleaned the Titans' clocks twice in 2005 on their way to the playoffs. Then again both teams were playing for 2nd place behind the Colts. Regardless, I feel like we should be over 1999 by now?
I think any Jaguars fan who is alive and at the AFCCG in 1999 would have had a difficult time getting over that loss. I believe in many cases, that loss won't be out of our system until the Jaguars reach/win the Super Bowl.
They have tortured and dominated this team for the better part of two decades, starting in 1999.
Under those circumstances its hard for Jaguars fans to NOT harbor hatred of the tacks.
Can confirm, signed kid who grew up in Cleveland and still hates the broncs and relishes in every failed QB Elway has signed
(01-04-2023, 11:52 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2023, 11:40 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]C'mon man....you've got to allow me room for a little bit of hyperbole. I was there in 2000 for that game, seeing defeat snatched from the jaws of victory, interacting with those wonderful, gracious Titan's fans as they left the stadium. But of course, it's just a distant memory now. That being said...
KILL THOSE TACKS! SHOW THEM NO MERCY!! HANG A FIFTY BURGER ON THEIR SORRY [BLEEP]!!! DEFLATE THE TIRES OF ANY OBNOXIOUS YAHOO INBRED FLAMING TACKS FAN THAT YOU ENCOUNTER SO THAT THEY WILL HAVE TO STAY ADDITIONAL HOURS IN JAX AND ABSORB THE BEAT DOWN!!! KILL!! MAIM!! SHRED!!! MACERATE!!! PULVERIZE!!! TILL NOTHING IS LEFT BUT TATTERED TACKS UNIFORMS ON THE SACRED SOIL OF TIAA BANK FIELD!!!
There, I feel heathier now. Hope you do too.
While I appreciate and agree with your message I cannot overlook the blatant and utterly incomprehensible forum violations in your post. First off, you used the flaming stinking tacks proper name and if that was not bad enough, you capitalized it. Then you go on to capitalize tacks numerous times. Now I do understand that you were yelling but I'm not sure if that is reason enough to use caps. I might be able to forgive that but the first violation is an abomination. 
You should do the right thing and initiate a one day self ban for your misgivings.
All hail the voice of reason!
(01-04-2023, 12:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Don't get me wrong.. I hate the Tacks more than any other team but the Colts. But it's not about 1999 as much as it is all those other years they swept us (including 2017!). It's time for us to start sweeping them. This year, next year, the rest of this decade. Colts too.
100% agree. It starts this Saturday.
(01-04-2023, 01:32 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-w...iants/amp/
Sime in the media picking against us. This will be a tough game, because Henry’s going to be running as if it’s the playoffs. We’re gonna have to put a complete game together to win it.
John Breech is a relative unknown in NFL coverage and has also recently relocated from San Diego to Nashville, so Imma take his stupid [BLEEP] opinion with a few thousand grains of Atlantic Ocean sea salt.
(01-04-2023, 01:41 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2023, 01:32 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-w...iants/amp/
Sime in the media picking against us. This will be a tough game, because Henry’s going to be running as if it’s the playoffs. We’re gonna have to put a complete game together to win it.
John Breech is a relative unknown in NFL coverage and has also recently relocated from San Diego to Nashville, so Imma take his stupid [BLEEP] opinion with a few thousand grains of Atlantic Ocean sea salt.
It's like he doesn't know whether to try and be funny or be serious.
"I think Tennessee's game plan is going to be simple here: They're going to give the ball to Derrick Henry 75 times"
I sure hope they do give it to him 75 times.
On D: Load up against Henry and make Dobbs beat you. Aeronautical Engineer aside, I don't think he can.
On O: Just do what you did in Nashville. ETN having a game similar to the last game would be a huge addition. He was relatively quiet in Nashville.
(01-04-2023, 12:02 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2023, 11:55 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I was alive for it, I watched parts on TV and heard other parts on the radio. I was in high school for it and it was the only topic of discussion both the week before and the week after.
But the simple fact is the 1999 team just wasn't very good. They lucked out with their schedule. The 2007 and 2017 Jags teams were both more talented and more physically dominating than the 1999 squad. I don't think the 1999 defense would have slowed down the Rams. It would have been a shootout and the Rams had more weapons that year. The Titans actually slowed the Rams down and made that Super Bowl a competitive game.
So if we're ranking disappointments, the losses in 2006, 2007, and 2017 rank higher, for me.
The 1999 team wasn't very good? The team that retired Marino and Johnson in one fell swoop 62-7? The team wasn't good against the Tacks because they didn't matchup well (and the tacks were pretty good that year as well 13-3), but to say that the team with the best record in the AFC wasn't good might be the worst take you've ever had in these forums. And that's saying something.
Remember who you're talking to.
This is a primer for a home playoff game, if the town wanted something to come out and go bananas for this is it! This is the most important game the Jaguars have played in the last 6 years. I think the team is peaking at the right time. I am hoping we just blow them out so I don't have to sweat the entire game. Seriously I will be ill if we lose this. No one wants to see the Tacks in the playoffs and a division crown with a third string QB.
(01-04-2023, 04:26 PM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]This is a primer for a home playoff game, if the town wanted something to come out and go bananas for this is it! This is the most important game the Jaguars have played in the last 6 years. I think the team is peaking at the right time. I am hoping we just blow them out so I don't have to sweat the entire game. Seriously I will be ill if we lose this. No one wants to see the Tacks in the playoffs and a division crown with a third string QB.
I think it's the most important regular season game we've ever had. The only one to rival it might be the Morten Andersen game in 1996, but, while that was a win-and-get-in game for the Jaguars, this one is a win-and-get-in game for both the Jaguars and the Titans, plus it's for the division title, plus it's against our most hated rival.
There's never been a regular season game as big as this one. This one is bigger than the potential subsequent playoff game.
I get the complaints about Saturday I really do. But if we win, that’s an extra day of rest for a home playoff game
Lets get Zay 200 yards so he can have a 1k yard season too!
(01-04-2023, 04:49 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]I get the complaints about Saturday I really do. But if we win, that’s an extra day of rest for a home playoff game
A lot of guys got plenty of rest starting last Sunday tbr...
I'm not worried about the "short week" for our guys.
But the tacks resting almost everyone vs the cowgirls and having the extra days is certainly helpful for them. Henry will have fresh legs but I still think their OL is not good and Dobbs isn't special.
It's a divisional game and those are almost never easy so I expect a bit of a scrap before we pull away late.
17-14 at half...Jags up.
30-17 Jags final
Ish...
(01-04-2023, 05:00 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Lets get Zay 200 yards so he can have a 1k yard season too!
That'd be a big day but certainly possible if the tacks hone in on Kirk and Engram