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I'm just posting this, I'm not saying I necessarily want to draft him at 4. I may or I may not. There are going to be a lot of choices at 4.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...n-peterson
"Fournette is the most talented running back prospect to enter the league since
Adrian Peterson and Marshawn Lynch in 2007."
"Overall, Fournette is a potential star at the position as an old-school bruiser with big-time game. He exhibits all of the qualities coaches covet in throwback runners (speed, power, toughness and home-run ability), but he also flashes the attitude and leadership skills to be a game-changer as a franchise back. With teams looking for transcendent stars at the top of the draft, the LSU standout deserves consideration as a top-five pick, based on his exceptional talents as a downhill runner."
Most experts seem to agree that he is a generational talent at the position. But you'll get nothing but venom spewed here from the wannabe message board scouts. I think there will be a lot of good choices at 4. But I would not be upset in the slightest if Leonard was wearing teal next year.
Every time someone says "You can get a RB in the 5th round" i think to myself really? For every Jordan Howard there's 10 bums that will be out of the league in 2 years if not more.
I'm not pounding my fist on the table for an RB at 4 but it's not as easy to find RBs outside of the 1st round as everyone here seems to think it is.
I'd love to see him play here but at the same time would rather other options at #4
If we draft him I ain't going to be too mad though, if we can fix the line up it'll be lots of fun seeing him trucking through clots, tacks and tinhorns.
Quote:Every time someone says "You can get a RB in the 5th round" i think to myself really? For every Jordan Howard there's 10 bums that will be out of the league in 2 years if not more.
I'm not pounding my fist on the table for an RB at 4 but it's not as easy to find RBs outside of the 1st round as everyone here seems to think it is.
It's not easy, it's
easier.
But he didn't play in the bowl game?
Anyway, he is a generational talent and has everything you want in a RB. For me, #4 is always high for a RB but this year, all prospects not named Garrett that are being projected 2-7 are muddled together.
The only guy I would say "yes, take him over Fournette 100%" is Thomas. I have questions about Allen, Hooker, and the QBs. I don't think CB and SS are options at 4 after FA. I think Howard is overrated and I wouldn't take a tight end at 4.
Quote:Anyway, he is a generational talent and has everything you want in a RB.
Call me crazy, but I like my generational running backs to be able to play out shotgun and to be better than "raw but projectionable" as a blocker and receiver. I'd also like for them to have explosion and lateral agility and vision to find the proper hole or cutback lane.
Other than those paltry things though, I agree he has it all.
Quote:Call me crazy, but I like my generational running backs to be able to play out shotgun and to be better than "raw but projectionable" as a blocker and receiver. I'd also like for them to have explosion and lateral agility and vision to find the proper hole or cutback lane.
Other than those paltry things though, I agree he has it all.
With all these hot takes that are so unconventional and differ so much from the experts, if baffles me that you're not working for some teams front office.
Quote:With all these hot takes that are so unconventional and differ so much from the experts, if baffles me that you're not working for some teams front office.
Most scouting reports mention that he struggled out of shotgun and has issues with scheme fit, lateral agility, vision, blocking, and receiving. What I don't get how people admit to all of that and still think it's a slam dunk he dominates at the NFL level.
Quote:It's not easy, it's easier.
I would assert it depends upon what you want your RB to do.
If you need a guy to be on a roster, take a few snaps, etc., then yes that is easier.
If you need a guy to potentially dominate on the ground and possibly take over a game, it's NOT easier. Typically, you aren't going to find an Adrian Peterson, an Emmitt Smith, a Barry Sanders outside of the first round.
Even if you argue that the running game has become less prominent over the years, teams are still drafting RBs highly, though not as highly as often as they once did.
Quote:Most scouting reports mention that he struggled out of shotgun and has issues with scheme fit, lateral agility, vision, blocking, and receiving. What I don't get how people admit to all of that and still think it's a slam dunk he dominates at the NFL level.
LSU offered absolutely NOTHING in the passing game, so the idea that Fournette might struggle from that formation is not overly persuasive.
Fournette is a guy who fits a more conventional/traditional offensive approach.
If a team is going to have that kind of approach offensively, there would be nothing wrong with picking him.
I would say based on the way teams are playing now, with more spread, there are other backs who may fit those styles of offense better than Fournette. But it doesn't mean Fournette is a bad player.
I don't know enough about Marrone's approach to offense yet to know whether Fournette or some other back is the best fit. But whichever team drafts Fournette is going to get a good player.
Quote:Call me crazy, but I like my generational running backs to be able to play out shotgun and to be better than "raw but projectionable" as a blocker and receiver. I'd also like for them to have explosion and lateral agility and vision to find the proper hole or cutback lane.
Other than those paltry things though, I agree he has it all.
He can catch, its not like he has hands of stones and drops passes. LSU in all their offensive wisdom didn't utilize it.
Blocking is something all RBs need to be developed at the pro level. I'm not going to sit here and lie and say I've watched his blocking.
He is explosive and is a home run threat. I see him running away from those vaunted SEC defenses (minus Bama who lived in the backfield). Bo Jackson himself wouldn't have done anything in those games.
This poor vision narrative is false. Is he Emmit Smith? No. But you talk as though he gets the ball and runs straight into the line. He does cut back and bounce it outside if a hole isn't there.
You are right. He doesn't have exceptional lateral agility. He can make defenders miss though as seen on tape.
Just curious, do you think he is the best RB in this class?
Quote:Just curious, do you think he is the best RB in this class?
Nope he's 3rd for me, possibly lower if you're a very shotgun heavy offense. Scheme fit is critical. Mixon is the most talented back purely on the field, but since you have to take off field into consideration then McCaffrey is who I would take if I was forced to take RB at 4.
Quote:Most scouting reports mention that he struggled out of shotgun and has issues with scheme fit, lateral agility, vision, blocking, and receiving. What I don't get how people admit to all of that and still think it's a slam dunk he dominates at the NFL level.
"Fournette possesses the lateral agility, balance and burst to make 90-degree cuts in either direction. He is also a natural, patient runner. Fournette will slow down to allow his blockers to do their job, exploding with sudden acceleration once a lane is presented to him. With terrific vision for cut-back lanes and the speed to simply run away from defenders once in the open field, Fournette is a big play waiting to happen as a running back, receiver and kick returner." - CBS sports
"Leonard Fournette is a starting running back at the next level who can succeed in any scheme. He wins with an elite combination of vision, speed and power. Fournette is a rare talent who should be graded higher than former top-10 picks Todd Gurley and Ezekiel Elliott." - NFL mocks
"He has a rare combination of size, power, agility and speed for the position and belongs in the conversation of Adrian Peterson, Todd Gurley and Ezekial Elliot as a potential top ten pick." - ESPN
Just did a quick search of scouting reports. I'm sure there are some that support your claims about him lacking all those things, but to say most is disingenuous.
Quote:LSU offered absolutely NOTHING in the passing game, so the idea that Fournette might struggle from that formation is not overly persuasive.
Fournette is a guy who fits a more conventional/traditional offensive approach.
If a team is going to have that kind of approach offensively, there would be nothing wrong with picking him.
I would say based on the way teams are playing now, with more spread, there are other backs who may fit those styles of offense better than Fournette. But it doesn't mean Fournette is a bad player.
I don't know enough about Marrone's approach to offense yet to know whether Fournette or some other back is the best fit. But whichever team drafts Fournette is going to get a good player.
There were only two teams that were under center more than 50% of the time last year, the Falcons and I forget the other off the top of my head. Most of the NFL was around 70% shotgun (the Jags were 73%) and some were considerably higher than that even. It's going to take a very special scenario for me to believe Fournette will produce better than McCaffrey in the NFL.
Blake even going back to college has been in a shotgun heavy offense. I'm just not eschewing our 3rd overall pick QB, even as critical as I have been toward him, to completely tear down and build around a running back who has so many concerns. That ankle injury pops up one time, which it or something else guaranteed will, and you've completely neutered the rest of your offense in favor of one guy who plays the position that has the most often and longest duration injury record. No thanks.
Quote:Most experts seem to agree that he is a generational talent at the position. But you'll get nothing but venom spewed here from the wannabe message board scouts. I think there will be a lot of good choices at 4. But I would not be upset in the slightest if Leonard was wearing teal next year.
All the truth is in this post.
In reality, there's a wide gap seen between Fournette and his peers at the position.
Everyone else is getting caught up in the drama and fantasy of draft "talk."
Quote:"Fournette possesses the lateral agility, balance and burst to make 90-degree cuts in either direction. He is also a natural, patient runner. Fournette will slow down to allow his blockers to do their job, exploding with sudden acceleration once a lane is presented to him. With terrific vision for cut-back lanes and the speed to simply run away from defenders once in the open field, Fournette is a big play waiting to happen as a running back, receiver and kick returner." - CBS sports
"Leonard Fournette is a starting running back at the next level who can succeed in any scheme. He wins with an elite combination of vision, speed and power. Fournette is a rare talent who should be graded higher than former top-10 picks Todd Gurley and Ezekiel Elliott." - NFL mocks
"He has a rare combination of size, power, agility and speed for the position and belongs in the conversation of Adrian Peterson, Todd Gurley and Ezekial Elliot as a potential top ten pick." - ESPN
Just did a quick search of scouting reports. I'm sure there are some that support your claims about him lacking all those things, but to say most is disingenuous.
Unsurprising that KY wouldn't have replied to this post. Anytime he gets beat he runs away or pretends like it never happened and then later on when someone makes a point that he can try to defend with his over analysis of metrics that he just steals from other people on Twitter.
Quote:There were only two teams that were under center more than 50% of the time last year, the Falcons and I forget the other off the top of my head. Most of the NFL was around 70% shotgun (the Jags were 73%) and some were considerably higher than that even. It's going to take a very special scenario for me to believe Fournette will produce better than McCaffrey in the NFL.
Blake even going back to college has been in a shotgun heavy offense. I'm just not eschewing our 3rd overall pick QB, even as critical as I have been toward him, to completely tear down and build around a running back who has so many concerns. That ankle injury pops up one time, which it or something else guaranteed will, and you've completely neutered the rest of your offense in favor of one guy who plays the position that has the most often and longest duration injury record. No thanks.
1. The Jaguars have been in shotgun so much because they have been in obvious passing situations. They have been in obvious passing situations because they haven't been able to run the ball and they have been losing.
2. Marrone and company were running Olsen's playbook last year.
3. It's possible that given 1 and 2 above, the Jaguars will be in shotgun less this year.
4. Providing a competent or better running game for a QB is not eschewing him. Historically, when teams draft QBs, they tend draft RBs to support them. When Dallas drafted Aikman, they followed that up with Emmitt Smith. When the tacks drafted McNair, they followed that up with Eddie George. When the Colts drafted Manning, they followed that up with Edgerrin James. When the tacks drafted Mariota, they followed that up with Derrick Henry and acquiring Demarco Murray.
Quote:Just did a quick search of scouting reports. I'm sure there are some that support your claims about him lacking all those things, but to say most is disingenuous.
Yikes, I do purposefully avoid long form big draft so I guess I'm not surprised. They did say all of that absurd stuff about Fowler being athletic and explosive too.
Not arguing that he has size, long speed, and very good power once he gets his momentum going but a lot of the rest of that was pretty silly compared to what I and a whole lot of others have observed.
Unfortunately I think our front office is going to agree with big draft so I'll hope they're right if he is the pick which I have resigned myself to believing.
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