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Man, I look forward to bumping these moronic threads next year. This one contains some real whoppers. We will revisit it later

Stop bashing my thread bro. All I did was ask for Jag fans opinions about the culture of this team

Quote:Man, I look forward to bumping these moronic threads next year. This one contains some real whoppers. We will revisit it later

No chance, the board will have a mysterious upgrade that will destroy all the evidence right about the time Gus gets fired in October.

Quote:No chance, the board will have a mysterious upgrade that will destroy all the evidence right about the time Gus gets fired in October.

Always a conspiracy with you.

Quote:The fact is, losing is NOT accepted around here. You're just too much of a whiner to recognize that you can be disappointed with losing without having to act like an idiot and go off on repetitive rants as if that's somehow going to change something. If a team losing makes you that angry, you need a hobby.

Not a team but the jags! This is what a passionate fan is... If it doesnt make you angry when the jags lose then what the hell is your purpose in following them? And the only thing repetitive around here is your nonsense and this team losing.

Quote:Not a team but the jags! This is what a passionate fan is... If it doesnt make you angry when the jags lose then what the hell is your purpose in following them? And the only thing repetitive around here is your nonsense and this team losing.

Losing is disappointing.  I have a life, so getting angry about a stinking game is just a waste of time/energy.  You're more than welcome to take the losses personally, as if you've got something invested.

 

I'm pretty sure my approach is annoying to you because, unlike you, I'm not on the verge of soiling myself any time the team loses.  It works for you though, so don't let me stop you from a never ending life of ignorance and misery. 

Quote:I'm really worn out on this subject because it is a topic that comes up in some coaching forums and discussions that I'm a part of on a regular basis but I will just state this and leave it be; I don't understand the connection that is assumed between firing coaches and a winning culture. That makes no sense to me. From my perspective and experience, a winning culture is not one who doesn't tolerate failures, but rather doesn't allow them to survive. Failure is important because no matter who you are ('07 Patriots anyone?) it is going to exist so you had better learn how to deal with it.

 

I'm not sure I agree that failure is important (maybe important is the wrong word to use), but it is something that you have to be prepared to handle and prepared to learn from because you will eventually experience it and how you handle failure will tell you a lot about whether you will be able to maintain any type of success if you eventually get to that point..

Quote:I'm not sure I agree that failure is important (maybe important is the wrong word to use), but it is something that you have to be prepared to handle and prepared to learn from because you will eventually experience it and how you handle failure will tell you a lot about whether you will be able to maintain any type of success if you eventually get to that point..

If it's something that you have to be prepared for, and it will have the kind of repercussions that you describe, what better term to use than "important"?

Quote:Always a conspiracy with you.

Hey where's all the threads about Jeans Miff?

Quote:If it's something that you have to be prepared for, and it will have the kind of repercussions that you describe, what better term to use than "important"?

 

I just don't agree with calling failure important, although I'm not sure that's really what you meant to say.

 

What is important is that when you do experience failure, and it's pretty inevitable that you will, that you are able to recognize it, figure out where and why you are failing, and make the necessary adjustment/changes to correct the failure.

 

Now it might take several tries and several different approaches before you are able to see any progress going forward from the failure, but you have to try to find something that changes the said failure into some type of success.

 

When you experience failure, something has to change and the people or HCs who are able to do that will be the successful ones and the ones who can't, won't be.

 

One of the biggest things that needs to change around here is the losing culture and if there is going to be any chance of making the Jags successful again and I mean really successful.

 

That all starts with the HC.

Quote:To me the fans here are just as bad as Gus! They support failure, then justify it... They support bad players, and bad decisions the team make... So yes the culture here is a losing one especially amongst the supposedly die hard fans..

Don't take this the wrong way, but you're an idiot.

Quote:Don't take this the wrong way, but you're an idiot.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

Culture? There's no culture at 1 Stadium Place.

 

Regards....................the Chiefjag

Quote:Culture? There's no culture at 1 Stadium Place.

 

Regards....................the Chiefjag

 

There is a culture at 1 Stadium Place, unfortunately it's just not a winning culture right now.

 

You can call it a losing culture, you can call it a laid back culture or any other type of culture like that, but just don't call it a winning culture because that's not what it is right now.

 

Like I said before, it is up to the HC to change the culture into a winning culture, he is the main guy who interacts with all the players, young and old.

Hard to tell how much the culture has changed since us fans aren't in the locker room. However, I always found it odd that Gus said it's not about winning, it's about the process. Until we start winning, will our culture really change?

Quote:I think you are dead on.

He has brainwashed his players with this "just get better" nonsense so much that they keep using his phrases in their post game speeches.

He has developed a culture of losing. He has developed a culture that's ok with losing as long as they "get better" (whatever that means).

This idea of " just get better " is not something new. It has been around for a long time. John Wooden used to teach his players to concentrate on themselves and their preparation not the opponent and the result will take care of itself. This rebuild was unlike any in the history of the NFL. Patience is required and that is why Shad Kahn is letting it play out.

Again as fans we have no say in day to day, month to month, year to year decisions and the operations of the Jags but, it is clearly easy to see there is something lacking and it started with chopping wood in the locker room.


It is quite obvious that there is a culture here that whether we like or not is not conducive to winning. It is because the players don't really want to be here and Jacksonville is a resting place until the next offer comes up?


Look what the Jags did to MJD, they abused the hell out of him in a losing season.


We have had other players that have just given up also since arriving in Jacksonville.


Coughlin and Del Rio both tried and couldn't get past the lack of discipline and work ethic. Both have been very successful since their departure.


Gus unfortunately is of the motivational good guy approach and in the current NFL system of multi million dollar contracts and players who we see can infect locker rooms ( along with their wives....."Miami") can't fix this team.


You look at some of these NFL teams that have had consistent winning teams and they surgically are able to replace injured players, prima donnas, and continually rise to the top.

Quote:Losing is disappointing.  I have a life, so getting angry about a stinking game is just a waste of time/energy.  You're more than welcome to take the losses personally, as if you've got something invested.

 

You've just illustrated the difference between those with low emotional intelligence and those who have a higher EI/EQ.

 

Those without it will never understand, anyway.

Quote:You've just illustrated the difference between those with low emotional intelligence and those who have a higher EI/EQ.


Those without it will never understand, anyway.

I agree.. Ill work on that thanks Pirk.

Didnt know there was a such thing as emotional intelligence