12-09-2015, 04:54 PM
Quote:They each refuse lunch. So which one is denied a visa?How about asking them which church they attended and who their priest was. Call to verify. If they can't provide credible proof, application DENIED.
12-09-2015, 04:54 PM
12-09-2015, 04:56 PM
Quote:What about barring entry of those who believe in Sharia Law. That's a political and legal system, not a religion.Proof right here that there was a lonnnng line when they passed out common sense.
As for a test? "Here, spit on this picture of The Prophet." If that's not a crime in one's political belief system, then there's no problem.
Ask the pope to spit on Jesus. A Jew to spit on Moses.
Wow...doesnt anyone remember 9 piss 11?? The terrorists assimilated to our culture. Shaved. Went to clubs and drank likker, and prolly went to Bonos for a poke sammich.
You think these [BLEEP] clowns wont do what they have to?
Geeezusss..I'm getting a visual..getting back from a trip..see lines for immigration. Regular, Questionable and Spitoon.
12-09-2015, 05:03 PM
Quote:Serve each of them a bacon cheeseburger lunch and see who takes the bacon off. Sorted.Brilliant...then just watch their reaction...
![[Image: islamic-rage-boy-bacon.jpg]](http://i0.wp.com/dcclothesline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/islamic-rage-boy-bacon.jpg)
12-09-2015, 05:06 PM
Quote:C'mon man. Its America. The black dude.
LOL. That's funny, but just not right. :no:
Ask that question to anyone that supports Trump (I did so today) and they can't give an honest answer. They say "ban Muslims" but don't single out the Arab person for some reason. There always has to be another test, much like unf_nashvillian tried to do above.
Here is another way to phrase the question that really blows their mind. Three men all of Arab descent, all age 22 want to apply for a student visa to enter the country. All three claim to be Christian, but one is lying. One is from England, one is from France and the other is from Germany all born and raised in their respective countries. Which one gets denied?
The problem with Donald Trump's suggestion is that he says that he wants to "ban Muslims". That's pretty broad and impossible to do (much like rounding up all illegal aliens in the country and deporting them). While the idea might "sound good" to his supporters, it's impossible to do.
12-09-2015, 05:07 PM
Quote:How about asking them which church they attended and who their priest was. Call to verify. If they can't provide credible proof, application DENIED.
They will just use taqiya to get around all this. You know, their religiously sanctioned act of lying?
"There is a consensus that whomsoever is forced into apostasy and chooses death has a greater reward than a person who takes the license [to deny one's faith under duress], but if a person is being forced to eat pork or drink wine, then they should do that [instead of choosing death]."
12-09-2015, 05:10 PM
Quote:Proof right here that there was a lonnnng line when they passed out common sense.
Ask the pope to spit on Jesus. A Jew to spit on Moses.
Wow...doesnt anyone remember 9 [BAD WORD REMOVED] 11?? The terrorists assimilated to our culture. Shaved. Went to clubs and drank likker, and prolly went to Bonos for a poke sammich.
You think these [BAD WORD REMOVED] clowns wont do what they have to?
Geeezusss..I'm getting a visual..getting back from a trip..see lines for immigration. Regular, Questionable and Spitoon.
I already agreed that there were better methods, so what's your point?
Is your argument that there is no way to screen Muslims who want to to come to the US?
Then why would we ever consider letting Syrian refugees into the US?
12-09-2015, 05:15 PM
Quote:They will just use taqiya to get around all this. You know, their religiously sanctioned act of lying?
"There is a consensus that whomsoever is forced into apostasy and chooses death has a greater reward than a person who takes the license [to deny one's faith under duress], but if a person is being forced to eat pork or drink wine, then they should do that [instead of choosing death]."
Since you support Trump, why don't you answer either of the questions that I asked?
12-09-2015, 05:16 PM
Quote:I already agreed that there were better methods, so what's your point?Because we already have. Some are settling in, into the great state of Texas, Dallas I believe.
Is your argument that there is no way to screen Muslims who want to to come to the US?
Then why would we ever consider letting Syrian refugees into the US?
Your better methods are no better than asking someone to spit on the prophet. You explained yourself quite clearly with that one
12-09-2015, 05:19 PM
Just for the record, I'm not a "Trump supporter", but I do like his idea of pausing immigration of Muslims until we have some sort of system in place to vet these folks.
12-09-2015, 05:20 PM
Quote:Since you support Trump, why don't you answer either of the questions that I asked?
Which ones? Quote them so I know what you are talking about.
12-09-2015, 05:26 PM
Quote:Which ones? Quote them so I know what you are talking about.
Since you obviously are not reading the whole thread, here they both are again.
Three people are attempting to get an education visa into the U.S.. All three of them claim to be Catholic, however one is lying. One is a black man, age 22 from Africa. One is an Asian man also age 22 from the Philippines. The final one is an Arab man also age 22 from Kuwait. Which one would be singled out and denied a visa?
Three men all of Arab descent, all age 22 want to apply for a student visa to enter the country. All three claim to be Christian, but one is lying. One is from England, one is from France and the other is from Germany all born and raised in their respective countries. Which one gets denied?
12-09-2015, 05:26 PM
Quote:Just for the record, I'm not a "Trump supporter", but I do like his idea of pausing immigration of Muslims until we have some sort of system in place to vet these folks.He's got all kinds of ideas, but doesnt say HOW. I suppose muslim countries will pay for all this screening,vetting, computer algorithms, the work force required, etc etc ?
Well..maybe. After all Mexico is just chomping on the bit to pay for the Trump Wall.
12-09-2015, 05:27 PM
Quote:He's got all kinds of ideas, but doesnt say HOW. I suppose muslim countries will pay for all this screening,vetting, computer algorithms, the work force required, etc etc ?Could always subtract the cost out of whatever "aid" we're sending them.
Well..maybe. After all Mexico is just chomping on the bit to pay for the Trump Wall.
12-09-2015, 05:28 PM
So I had a lengthy flight today, and my copy of Roger Waters' new "The Wall" concert/biopic came in a few days ago, so I watched it on the plane. One scene in particular, "Another Brick in the Wall, Pt. 2", got me thinking. During that song on Roger's Wall tour, local school kids were brought onstage to sing, dance and generally mock the headmaster puppet. I had forgotten what the shirts given to the kids said:
Fear builds walls
And he's right, you know? Americans have good intentions, I think. We seek to protect our own, as is our right to do. Thing is, Americans are stupid. We're conditioned to follow the first clown who tells us what to do in times of crisis. Woodrow Wilson's dogged refusal to respond to an increasingly aggressive Germany could almost made WWI a lot bloodier and a lot closer to home, Jimmy Carter sent us to the toilet in the economic crash, George W. Bush led us into Hell when he perverted 9/11 into profiteering and now Trump offers an extreme, racist solution to a problem that is only going to be made worse if he has his way--assuming he actually believes what he's saying. And Americans are eating up. Know why? We want instant gratification.
As a nation, we're accustomed to the most expedient solution. Don't feel like cooking? Order a pizza. It'll be there in 30 minutes, which is less time than you'd have spent cooking and cleaning anyway. Tired of vacuuming? Go buy an automated vacuum. Roomba clones are as low as $150 on Amazon, and the real thing is only $300. When you consider how much time you'll save in a year by not having to vacuum your floors, it more than makes sense. Don't want to walk the dog? Install a dog door and never worry about it again. Hell, if you believe the ads on TV, there are a handful of gastric bypass centers in Dallas that no longer advertise the procedure as a last-ditch effort to help the morbidly obese. One of them goes so far as to say that if you need to lose 25 lbs. or more and you struggle to stick to a diet and exercise regimen, invasive surgery that will kill 1 in every 200 people who have it done is the answer. We're dumb and lazy. Sorry, America, that's just how it is, so when a handful of renegade Muslims (most of whom were home-grown, btw) engage in stabbings, shootings or, um, clock fabrication, we get scared, and we don't know what to do. All we know is that you've got Barack Obama offering zero in the way of credible solutions, Bernie Sanders saying that the way to end Islamic terrorism is to invite all the Islamic terrorists over for lunch, Ben Carson making, well, as much sense as Ben Carson ever does, and Hillary being Hillary. Oh, and then there's Trump. He knows what will solve the problem. Lock out all the Muslims! Let them eat bacon cake (which sounds really good, btw)! And because we're Americans and the laziest, most expedient solution to any problem is the one favored by a huge subset of the population, they flock to Trump.
Here's the flip side of that coin: the terrorists are inhuman beasts, and they need to be rooted out and sent on their way to those 72 virgins before they can hurt anyone over here. I've said it before and I believe it wholeheartedly: if someone outside the United States is found to have credible ties to ISIS, they need to die. If a legal US resident is found to have credible ties to ISIS, they need to be locked in a hole with no human contact--aside from the guy who comes in a couple times a day to waterboard them. ISIS is that dangerous of an enemy that I would be ok with the use of torture on known ISIS sympathizers. I'd gladly violate the human rights of a million terrorists if it meant that one attack, here or abroad, was stopped as a result.
But here's the thing: these terrorists are smart. Really smart. They know the secret to organizing a terrorist organization: don't organize it. In some ways, ISIS is the Anonymous of the terrorist world. They're hard to find and hard to stop, especially when they're already on our shores.
But that's not what makes them smartest. What makes them smartest is that they're playing us. 14 people died in Inland Empire, and now 35% of the population wants to close our borders to Muslims. That's a move that would be equalled in sheer discrimination and hate only by the Japanese internment camps and slavery itself. There is no faster way to radicalize someone against you than by telling them that they are not your equal purely because you pray to different deities (actually, you kind of don't, but that's beside the point). If Trump were to say, "We need to stop immigration from countries known to be hotbeds of terrorism," he'd have a solution that would make a lot more sense and be a lot harder to exploit as an act of pure, hateful spite. But if he said that, he wouldn't have his sound byte, and he wouldn't be playing off the fear of his base. And, as Mr. Waters himself said, "Fear builds walls."
Donald Trump is potentially as dangerous as ISIS. He's not a terrorist himself, but if he's elected President and builds a literal wall to keep Mexicans south and a figurative wall to keep Muslims east, ISIS won't have much work to do. Plenty of Muslims would practically radicalize themselves after seeing what the leader of the Great Satan has to say about Islam, Allah and their homelands.
I regarded Trump as a joke for a while, then as a candidate that I'd be sort of ok with if it came down to Trump or Clinton. Now, I don't want him in the White House. I don't want him near the White House, aside from taking a public tour. If the Texas primary looks like it's going to come down to a very close vote between Carson/Cruz or Trump, I'll put my name in for Carson or Cruz (sorry, Rand). I'll vote for Hillary to keep Trump out of office if that's what it comes to. It's my fear that a Trump Presidency would lead to war on American soil, and it wouldn't be the type of war that SEAL Team 6 could swoop in on a stealth Blackhawk and win for us. It would be a healthy number of terrorists, either part of ISIS, part of a sleeper cell or acting purely on their own, versus an America that has no clue how to identify them, let alone stop them. Of course, the natural progression of widespread attacks on American soil is martial law and suspension of rights and privileges, and that's the sort of thing that my political beliefs are centered pretty strongly against letting happen.
And yes, I recognize the irony in this entire post. "Fear builds walls." Indeed it does--like the wall around Donald Trump and his supporters that I've built for myself over the last few days.
TL;DR version - Roger Waters is a prophet.
Fear builds walls
And he's right, you know? Americans have good intentions, I think. We seek to protect our own, as is our right to do. Thing is, Americans are stupid. We're conditioned to follow the first clown who tells us what to do in times of crisis. Woodrow Wilson's dogged refusal to respond to an increasingly aggressive Germany could almost made WWI a lot bloodier and a lot closer to home, Jimmy Carter sent us to the toilet in the economic crash, George W. Bush led us into Hell when he perverted 9/11 into profiteering and now Trump offers an extreme, racist solution to a problem that is only going to be made worse if he has his way--assuming he actually believes what he's saying. And Americans are eating up. Know why? We want instant gratification.
As a nation, we're accustomed to the most expedient solution. Don't feel like cooking? Order a pizza. It'll be there in 30 minutes, which is less time than you'd have spent cooking and cleaning anyway. Tired of vacuuming? Go buy an automated vacuum. Roomba clones are as low as $150 on Amazon, and the real thing is only $300. When you consider how much time you'll save in a year by not having to vacuum your floors, it more than makes sense. Don't want to walk the dog? Install a dog door and never worry about it again. Hell, if you believe the ads on TV, there are a handful of gastric bypass centers in Dallas that no longer advertise the procedure as a last-ditch effort to help the morbidly obese. One of them goes so far as to say that if you need to lose 25 lbs. or more and you struggle to stick to a diet and exercise regimen, invasive surgery that will kill 1 in every 200 people who have it done is the answer. We're dumb and lazy. Sorry, America, that's just how it is, so when a handful of renegade Muslims (most of whom were home-grown, btw) engage in stabbings, shootings or, um, clock fabrication, we get scared, and we don't know what to do. All we know is that you've got Barack Obama offering zero in the way of credible solutions, Bernie Sanders saying that the way to end Islamic terrorism is to invite all the Islamic terrorists over for lunch, Ben Carson making, well, as much sense as Ben Carson ever does, and Hillary being Hillary. Oh, and then there's Trump. He knows what will solve the problem. Lock out all the Muslims! Let them eat bacon cake (which sounds really good, btw)! And because we're Americans and the laziest, most expedient solution to any problem is the one favored by a huge subset of the population, they flock to Trump.
Here's the flip side of that coin: the terrorists are inhuman beasts, and they need to be rooted out and sent on their way to those 72 virgins before they can hurt anyone over here. I've said it before and I believe it wholeheartedly: if someone outside the United States is found to have credible ties to ISIS, they need to die. If a legal US resident is found to have credible ties to ISIS, they need to be locked in a hole with no human contact--aside from the guy who comes in a couple times a day to waterboard them. ISIS is that dangerous of an enemy that I would be ok with the use of torture on known ISIS sympathizers. I'd gladly violate the human rights of a million terrorists if it meant that one attack, here or abroad, was stopped as a result.
But here's the thing: these terrorists are smart. Really smart. They know the secret to organizing a terrorist organization: don't organize it. In some ways, ISIS is the Anonymous of the terrorist world. They're hard to find and hard to stop, especially when they're already on our shores.
But that's not what makes them smartest. What makes them smartest is that they're playing us. 14 people died in Inland Empire, and now 35% of the population wants to close our borders to Muslims. That's a move that would be equalled in sheer discrimination and hate only by the Japanese internment camps and slavery itself. There is no faster way to radicalize someone against you than by telling them that they are not your equal purely because you pray to different deities (actually, you kind of don't, but that's beside the point). If Trump were to say, "We need to stop immigration from countries known to be hotbeds of terrorism," he'd have a solution that would make a lot more sense and be a lot harder to exploit as an act of pure, hateful spite. But if he said that, he wouldn't have his sound byte, and he wouldn't be playing off the fear of his base. And, as Mr. Waters himself said, "Fear builds walls."
Donald Trump is potentially as dangerous as ISIS. He's not a terrorist himself, but if he's elected President and builds a literal wall to keep Mexicans south and a figurative wall to keep Muslims east, ISIS won't have much work to do. Plenty of Muslims would practically radicalize themselves after seeing what the leader of the Great Satan has to say about Islam, Allah and their homelands.
I regarded Trump as a joke for a while, then as a candidate that I'd be sort of ok with if it came down to Trump or Clinton. Now, I don't want him in the White House. I don't want him near the White House, aside from taking a public tour. If the Texas primary looks like it's going to come down to a very close vote between Carson/Cruz or Trump, I'll put my name in for Carson or Cruz (sorry, Rand). I'll vote for Hillary to keep Trump out of office if that's what it comes to. It's my fear that a Trump Presidency would lead to war on American soil, and it wouldn't be the type of war that SEAL Team 6 could swoop in on a stealth Blackhawk and win for us. It would be a healthy number of terrorists, either part of ISIS, part of a sleeper cell or acting purely on their own, versus an America that has no clue how to identify them, let alone stop them. Of course, the natural progression of widespread attacks on American soil is martial law and suspension of rights and privileges, and that's the sort of thing that my political beliefs are centered pretty strongly against letting happen.
And yes, I recognize the irony in this entire post. "Fear builds walls." Indeed it does--like the wall around Donald Trump and his supporters that I've built for myself over the last few days.
TL;DR version - Roger Waters is a prophet.
12-09-2015, 05:31 PM
Quote:TL;DR version - Roger Waters is a prophet.
And also an renowned antisemite, but hey, at least he hates Trump!
12-09-2015, 05:35 PM
Quote:And also an renowned antisemite, but hey, at least he hates Trump!He's said nothing about Trump that I'm aware of, but hey, if that's all you took from that post, cool. Says a lot about Trump supporters.
12-09-2015, 05:39 PM
Quote:He's said nothing about Trump that I'm aware of, but hey, if that's all you took from that post, cool. Says a lot about Trump supporters.
Oh, I thought you were quoting an article he wrote or something. I am sorry (it was pretty lengthy and articleish). Good on you for putting in that much effort. :pirate:
12-09-2015, 05:40 PM
Quote:Oh, I thought you were quoting an article he wrote or something. I am sorry (it was pretty lengthy and articleish). Good on you for putting in that much effort. :pirate:I had two paragraphs. The rest just kind of happened. I need to get some sleep lol
12-09-2015, 05:53 PM
Quote:Wiki is largely controlled by the left. It's no surprise that they would support the use of ad hominem attacks since that is a huge part of the arguments by the left.
Lol
12-09-2015, 05:56 PM
Quote:Since you obviously are not reading the whole thread, here they both are again.
Three people are attempting to get an education visa into the U.S.. All three of them claim to be Catholic, however one is lying. One is a black man, age 22 from Africa. One is an Asian man also age 22 from the Philippines. The final one is an Arab man also age 22 from Kuwait. Which one would be singled out and denied a visa?
Three men all of Arab descent, all age 22 want to apply for a student visa to enter the country. All three claim to be Christian, but one is lying. One is from England, one is from France and the other is from Germany all born and raised in their respective countries. Which one gets denied?
I don't think I can fairly answer these questions because I am not a professional when it comes to the field of interrogation. I mean, I know this is a loaded question and the whole goal of this is to trap me in some sort of "gotcha" situation where I am either a bigot, racist, or xenophobe. That's fine, though.
With the current system, I would say none of them are banned because they claimed they are not Muslim. That is all there is to immigration at this point, right? Just check the box of your religion and on you go. You might have a background check, but if there is no information on you then you are clean. It is a very bad system that needs to be improved.