Quote:Here's an idea. Why not put stars on their coats to ID them..wait..stars have been used before. How about a moon and star, and have them pin it to their lapels or something. Then everyone can identify these " potential killers" and keep an eye open.
Seriously however, we have to deal with issues like this now. If our clandestine operators profile , eavesdrop and do things that are not popular with what they may deem viable threats...I'm going to assume they do.
But if anyone thinks stopping 2 people like the the San Bernardino couple, who do not say a thing to anyone and keep a low profile...good luck. Even Israel gets terror attacks that slip through, and their security " trumps" ours by a long shot.
Stopping this scourge isn't the same as containing it. We can only hope to contain it for the time being.
Hopefully, one day, this passes as nazism did. Hopefully.
^This is a stupid comparison.. Nobody wants to kill any Muslims (ala Hitler). Just looking for a way to prevent more murder..
Quote:We can't do today what we did then to eliminate them. We don't have the stomach or backbone for it.
Well in this comparison we waited to get involved with the rest of countries fighting Nazis until tragedy of epic proportions happened to us. We are already fighting the extremists overseas and have been for a while yet somehow are not doing anything at the same time.
Regarding people coming into this country - are we going to ask their views regarding abortion? You know, they may be a threat to shoot up the closest Planned Parenthood Clinic.
Oh, wait ...
Quote:We can't do today what we did then to eliminate them. We don't have the stomach or backbone for it.
I'm exhausted and very drunk and probably not understanding you as a result, but I feel the need to ask for clarification anyway...are you endorsing ethnic cleansing?
Quote:I'm exhausted and very drunk and probably not understanding you as a result, but I feel the need to ask for clarification anyway...are you endorsing ethnic cleansing?
What did we do to eliminate National Socialism as a threat? That's what we can't and won't do today to eliminate Radical Islam.
Quote:Interesting. You want to eliminate (kill?) Trump supporters because they are "Nazi's", but are totally OK with inviting foreign Muslims into the country, who are 5,000 times (literally) more likely to commit acts of terror than American citizens. Awesome.
What in the blue hell are you talking about? Nazism didn't "pass", we spent 4 years and thousands of lives to destroy it.
Quote:What did we do to eliminate National Socialism as a threat? That's what we can't and won't do today to eliminate Radical Islam.
What did we do? Seriously dude, I am really hammered. Stop talking in riddles please
Quote:What in the blue hell are you talking about? Nazism didn't "pass", we spent 4 years and thousands of lives to destroy it.
I am so confused.
Ah OK now I understand. Ringo was talking about ISIS disappearing like Nazism did, not Trump supporters. My mistake, Trump and his supporters had been called Nazi's in this thread so I thought that is what Ringo was referencing to, but re-reading it it sounds like he was speaking of ISIS (I suppose?).
Quote:What did we do? Seriously dude, I am really hammered. Stop talking in riddles please
Bombed the [BLEEP] out of them without regard for collateral damage.
Quote:Thank you for the love, but looking for a "win scenario" is exactly what I am looking for in a Presidential candidate. People love Donald Trump because he wants to "ban Muslims". My question presents the problem of "how" and also illustrates that there is no logical way to do that. The same could be said about his "round them all up and send them back" rhetoric regarding illegals. It might sound good to his fan base, but when the question of "how" is brought up, it's usually "deer in the headlights".
The topic of this thread is Trump wants to shut down Muslims entering the U.S.. I presented two different questions/scenarios and there still is no valid answer.
With all due respect, your proposed scenario presents its own absurdity.
Trump said "We should ban the influx of Muslims into the country until we can figure out who these people are."
Responding that we can't even do that because we REALLY don't know who these people are doesn't actually poke holes in Trump's assertion, its an indictment of the immigration and customs system as a whole.
Your basic premise, while provocative, doesn't take into account or illustrate the basic tenant of the TRUMPIAN position. We should grant the privilege of entering this country on an affirmative basis. By that it means that if we cannot concretely establish who a person is and certify that they have not been in contact with radical elements then they should not be allowed into the country.
The intelligence required to keep this country safe, and the steps that Trump is advocating (not the ban, the process by which applicants should be vetted,) go a lot further than racial profiling.
If someone wants to enter this country then we should be able to completely and affirmatively verify who they are. We should also have real time intel about developing terror plots and suspected terror operatives to create a database that we can vet people against.
Will there ever be a perfect system? of course not.
But in California we had a pakistany woman granted a k-1 Visa who had known terror affiliations in her own country and espoused radical views. THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE!
Quote:What did we do? Seriously dude, I am really hammered. Stop talking in riddles please
We fought a war with the complete and total intention of winning. We have not done that at any time since WW2.
You just showed up late to the party after getting bombed by the Japanese and after the Germans had already declared war on you guys...
Hardly fighting Nazis that hard until provoked. Canada beat you guys to declare war by a couple of years!
Debbie Schlussel rarely holds back her opinion. This time is no exception. I don't think there's anything in this article that violates the COC:
Bread & Circuses With Donald Trump: He Won’t Ban Muslims – Read the Fine Print
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/80606/bre...ine-print/
Trump is a master of media.
Quote:You just showed up late to the party after getting bombed by the Japanese and after the Germans had already declared war on you guys...
Hardly fighting Nazis that hard until provoked. Canada beat you guys to declare war by a couple of years!
If it weren't for us you'd be speaking Japanese right now. I have nothing but admiration for the Aussie military, but let's not pretend that you had a chance against Japan without us.
Plus, you point just goes to show how right I am. We need to aggressively confront these people, not sit around until we're fighting from behind again.
Quote:You just showed up late to the party after getting bombed by the Japanese and after the Germans had already declared war on you guys...
Hardly fighting Nazis that hard until provoked. Canada beat you guys to declare war by a couple of years!
The Lend Lease did more for the Allies than Canada and Australia combined. Also, Canada was obligated to join the war because of their membership in the commonwealth.
There are about 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. That's why ISIS wants to sell this narrative of "Islam vs the Western world." So they can have 1.6 billion allies.
The Western world wants to sell the narrative of "Terrorists vs the Western world." The West doesn't want to draw a line and put 1.6 billion people on the other side of it. We can't win that war. By saying he would ban all Muslims from entering this country, Trump plays right into the ISIS narrative that this is all about Islam vs the West.
A large part of what attracts people to the United States is that we are a free and open society, that we have a Bill of Rights and religious freedom as part of that. By banning all Muslims from entering this country, we make ourselves look like hypocrites. We are no longer a beacon of hope, a "shining city on a hill" as Reagan used to say. The Statue of Liberty says, "Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free." Nope, sorry, we're closing the door. All you people who had the dream of making it to the United States, the land of freedom and opportunity, you can't come in right now.
By the way, Turkey is a majority Muslim nation and a NATO ally! I wonder if the ban on Muslims will extend to the President of Turkey.
Also by the way, for every one person who is killed by a terrorist, about a thousand people are killed in car wrecks.
And thirdly, I would like to point out that Pakistan is a Muslim country that has nuclear weapons. Do we want to draw this line in the sand and put Pakistan on the other side of it?
Quote:There are about 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. That's why ISIS wants to sell this narrative of "Islam vs the Western world." So they can have 1.6 billion allies.
The Western world wants to sell the narrative of "Terrorists vs the Western world." The West doesn't want to draw a line and put 1.6 billion people on the other side of it. We can't win that war. By saying he would ban all Muslims from entering this country, Trump plays right into the ISIS narrative that this is all about Islam vs the West.
A large part of what attracts people to the United States is that we are a free and open society, that we have a Bill of Rights and religious freedom as part of that. By banning all Muslims from entering this country, we make ourselves look like hypocrites. We are no longer a beacon of hope, a "shining city on a hill" as Reagan used to say. The Statue of Liberty says, "Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free." Nope, sorry, we're closing the door. All you people who had the dream of making it to the United States, the land of freedom and opportunity, you can't come in right now.
By the way, Turkey is a majority Muslim nation and a NATO ally! I wonder if the ban on Muslims will extend to the President of Turkey.
By the way, for every one person who is killed by a terrorist, about a thousand people are killed in car wrecks.
Out of 1.6 billion Muslims, 1.1 billion support Shariah law. Sorry, but if you support Shariah law, you support violence and oppression of non-Muslims, women, and homosexuals and should not be allowed in. How can you not say it is NOT Islam vs The West when the overwhelming majority of Muslims support an anti-west ideology?
Did you know we shutdown immigration between the 1920s to the 1960s? We're we not Americans during that time frame? I don't think so, but you claim we were.
Did you know that Rand Paul just pushed a bill to shutdown immigration from Turkey (and also many other super-majority Muslim nations)? It isn't just Donald Trump calling for action.
Can't argue about your car wreck statement. I can't wait for automated cars.
Look, the immigration system sucks. There is no way to accurately vet people and prevent terrorists or potential terrorists from entering. The system needs to be improved. The action of sitting back and opening the flood gates is the extreme opposite of what we should be doing, but happens to be what our president and Hillary Clinton suggest we do. Maybe we can't stop all terrorists, but putting a pause on Islamic immigration until we get an accurate system developed is a logical thing to do. Will it stop all of them? Again, no it won't, but we have to do something. Whether it is blocking nations or blocking the religion, both are better than sitting on our hands.
Quote:Out of 1.6 billion Muslims, 1.1 billion support Shariah law.
Where does this figure come from?