As pointed out earlier. Blake isn't really throwing ints more frequently than the top QBs. Rodgers and Brady don't count.
We're so used to check downs and bad QBs who played to never take a shot that we aren't used to seeing them.
He's learning, and I'm pretty confident he'll get better at not forcing some throws. But give me the guy who wants to go down field and try to win it than the one who throws 3 yards on 3rd and 8 while down by 10 any day.
Quote:As pointed out earlier. Blake isn't really throwing ints more frequently than the top QBs. Rodgers and Brady don't count.
We're so used to check downs and bad QBs who played to never take a shot that we aren't used to seeing them.
He's learning, and I'm pretty confident he'll get better at not forcing some throws. But give me the guy who wants to go down field and try to win it than the one who throws 3 yards on 3rd and 8 while down by 10 any day.
I am going to take it a step further and suggest that we are just not used to seeing a defender intercept the ball, except against us. If our DB's would intercept a ball, oh I don't know...EVER?...then maybe it wouldn't seem so otherworldly when the other team picks us off.
Quote:Someone on 1010XL said it best, he is the reason we win or have a chance to win and the reason we lose. I don't mind the pick so much at the end with no timeouts and 50 seconds to drive it all the way down the field. Or even the pick that the receiver let bounce right off his hands. The fumble though. That's the one that leaves you frustrated. Of course TC looks at stat lines, but what cost us the game was that fumble (along with Marshall's fumble).
I didn't look at a box score. I watched the game like any other jag fan. I agree the fumble was the worst turnover because it was in scoring position and it was a dagger as the jets marched right down and scored. Could've been a 14 point swing with that turn over alone.
Quote:Do you think Blake will be like this forever? Or do you think he'll learn as he gets older? It's his second season, he's going to make stupid, terrible plays sometimes. He'll improve and refine his skills. It's not like we were heading to the super bowl this year.
I sure as hell hope not but in two seasons how many games has he played where he turned the ball over once or less? Or better yet how many games has he had multiple turn overs in his career? If you ask me it's already a trend.
Quote:You show up more often after a Bortles turnover than after a clean game...
why
Completely false and already proven wrong. Check the game thread for bills game. Go get your shine box.
Quote:You're right for the most part. Blake needs to find a way to balance his natural tendency to press and settle down. His only limiting factor at the moment is that. Once he achieves that place, he'll be fine. Until then, though...he's going to be incredibly frustrating to watch...no doubt about that.
It reminds me of when tiki barber was a fumbling machine and then the coaches addressed it with some fire and next thing you know he was a monster. Blake needs better coaching. People act like I hate Blake. I hate the mistakes over and over again. It comes down to coaching him up.
Quote:I sure as hell hope not but in two seasons how many games has he played where he turned the ball over once or less? Or better yet how many games has he had multiple turn overs in his career? If you ask me it's already a trend.
How many games did Peyton, Eli, Favre, Rivers, Wilson, Dalton, and I'm sure a bunch others, throw at least one or multiple ints, especially their first two seasons.
Get over it. No one is saying he doesn't need to cut down on them.
Quote:How many games did Peyton, Eli, Favre, Rivers, Wilson, Dalton, and I'm sure a bunch others, throw at least one or multiple ints, especially their first two seasons.
Get over it. No one is saying he doesn't need to cut down on them.
The problem is that people make excuses for most of them and won't admit that he is part of a big problem. If more people would be honest about it maybe a coaching change would be made that could properly address the issue. Instead people want to coddle him because he's the first legit qbs prospect we've had in ages.
Quote:The excuses are mind boggling. Yes we have our first productive qbs since David Garrard and Mark Brunell. But damn Blake is pretty stubborn and it's a detriment to this offense. No matter how you slice it he was responsible for 3 turnovers which resulted in 14 points. That's ball game.
Bortles threw for 381 yards and Hurns and A-Rob had over 120 yards each vs. #1 passing defense in the NFL.
Bortles is in 2nd year so turnovers are irrelevant. The real reason the Jags suck is because they have allowed 29.4 points per game. That's the worst in the Jags 20 year history.
Look around the NFL.....statistically, Bortles is outplaying Cam Newton (who has only a 53% completion percentage) and Peyton Manning. The good teams Carolina, Denver, Cincinnati, etc all have a defense.
Jags defense is terrible.
New England has only allowed 17.9 points per game. Tom Brady would be 4-4 in Jacksonville.
Quote:<span style="background-color:rgb(250,250,250);">Bortles threw for 381 yards and Hurns and A-Rob had over 120 yards each vs. #1 passing defense in the NFL.</span>
<span style="background-color:rgb(250,250,250);">Bortles is in 2nd year so turnovers are irrelevant. The real reason the Jags suck is because they have allowed 29.4 points per game. That's the worst in the Jags 20 year history.</span>
<span style="background-color:rgb(250,250,250);">Look around the NFL.....statistically, Bortles is outplaying Cam Newton (who has only a 53% completion percentage) and Peyton Manning. The good teams Carolina, Denver, Cincinnati, etc all have a defense.</span>
<span style="background-color:rgb(250,250,250);">Jags defense is terrible.</span>
<span style="background-color:rgb(250,250,250);">New England has only allowed 17.9 points per game. Tom Brady would be 4-4 in Jacksonville.</span>
Great post! I can't argue about the defense. But that's a huge reason why Gus needs to go. But that is why blakes mistakes are even more magnified.
Quote:Great post! I can't argue about the defense. But that's a huge reason why Gus needs to go. But that is why blakes mistakes are even more magnified.
Yeah because Bortles has to be PERFECT on this team to win. If the Jags didn't have Blake, they would be 0-6. If the Texans had Blake instead of Clowney, they would save Bill O'Brien's job and win the division. You can't give up 29 points per game and win in the NFL. Gus Bradley's clown defense gave up 32 points to EJ Manuel.
Quote:Great post! I can't argue about the defense. But that's a huge reason why Gus needs to go. But that is why blakes mistakes are even more magnified.
We finally agree lol
If we had a defense holding teams to like 20 ppg average and we were winning, no one would give a damn about the ints. Well they would but it wouldn't be the issue that it is now.
Quote:It reminds me of when tiki barber was a fumbling machine and then the coaches addressed it with some fire and next thing you know he was a monster. Blake needs better coaching. People act like I hate Blake. I hate the mistakes over and over again. It comes down to coaching him up.
Actually, I think it comes with experience. He needs to make those mistakes and then learn from them. You think the coaches aren't saying be careful with the football? I don't think he throws bad picks or fumbles due to coaching. I think he's young and learning and trying to do too much. He'll learn to be more careful, but he will probably always throw a lot of picks because he's fearless. You don't want him to be scared to make a mistake.
Quote:Actually, I think it comes with experience. He needs to make those mistakes and then learn from them. You think the coaches aren't saying be careful with the football? I don't think he throws bad picks or fumbles due to coaching. I think he's young and learning and trying to do too much. He'll learn to be more careful, but he will probably always throw a lot of picks because he's fearless. You don't want him to be scared to make a mistake.
This. The last thing we need is to make him think "oh man I can't throw a pick so here's a 2 yard check down"
That's why Gabbert had so few picks, he was afraid to take a shot.
You live and die by the gunslinger in Blake.
Quote:You can't win games without a good defense, but the offense doesn't exactly do the defense any favors. With all the empty drives, turnovers, and inefficiency on offense, the defense is constantly forced to win in bad situations. Take a look:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/d...atsoff2015
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teameff
In terms of efficiency, the defense is actually better than the offense.
The defense is better than the offense?! You have GOT TO BE KIDDING me. With Bortles, the offense scores points and gets yards. Hurns and A-Rob are both over 1,000 yards this year. Without Bortles and with Henne, Hurns and A-Rob are at 500 yards and we don't score.
The defense is the worst in franchise HISTORY in terms of PPG. Giving up 31 to EJ Manuel. 31 to Hoyer. 51 to Brady. 38 to Winston. 28 to Fitzpatrick when he needs surgery.
Saying the defense is better is just blind.
Quote:It reminds me of when tiki barber was a fumbling machine and then the coaches addressed it with some fire and next thing you know he was a monster. Blake needs better coaching. People act like I hate Blake. I hate the mistakes over and over again. It comes down to coaching him up.
I honestly had you pegged as a "hater" initially, but I'm amended my first impression on that front.
As you said, this all comes back to two things: reps/experience and coaching. The reps/experience part we're witnessing first hand. His mistakes aside, you don't drop the yardage we just did against a defense as good as the Jets if you aren't good. Dare I say, I think he has a chance to be special. But nearly all of us agree he (and the team in general)
need better coaching.
Quote:The defense is better than the offense?! You have GOT TO BE KIDDING me. With Bortles, the offense scores points and gets yards. Hurns and A-Rob are both over 1,000 yards this year. Without Bortles and with Henne, Hurns and A-Rob are at 500 yards and we don't score.
The defense is the worst in franchise HISTORY in terms of PPG. Giving up 31 to EJ Manuel. 31 to Hoyer. 51 to Brady. 38 to Winston. 28 to Fitzpatrick when he needs surgery.
Saying the defense is better is just blind.
Did you even bother to read the post of the links? I was talking about efficiency and how the inefficiency of the offense (22nd in terms of yards/drive, 23rd in points, 27th in TOP, 20th in getting first downs, 26th in INTs) isn't exactly putting the defense in a position to be successful.
Quote:Did you even bother to read the post of the links? I was talking about efficiency and how the inefficiency of the offense (22nd in terms of yards/drive, 23rd in points, 27th in TOP, 20th in getting first downs, 26th in INTs) isn't exactly putting the defense in a position to be successful.
The link you requested is in the Mariota thread, enjoy! Can't wait for the excuses.