You mean superbowl champion multiple MVP award Brett Favre? I will take it.
He may or may not be one of those int prone QB. This season he has more TD's than Int's. Thats a positive. Few QB's who have ever played have had a cannon like Favre. .
Quote:You mean superbowl champinon multiple mvp award Brett Favre? i will take it.
He may or may not be one of those int prone QB. This season he has more TD's than Int's. Thats a positive. Few QB's who have ever played have had an arm as strong as Favre.
Just because the guy has a strong arm and throws a ton of interceptions doesn't mean he is the next Brett Favre. Kaepernick has the strongest arm in the NFL and look where he's at. Oh yeah, benched for another strong armed gunslinger who throws a ton of interceptions and who is horribly inefficient.
Baconator can't keep a girlfriend because he tries to argue with everyone. He argues with himself most of the time. Hates to be wrong
Quote:I agree with this assessment right now, but Favre continued that way his entire career; it's too hard to say if Bortles will be able to cut down on the mistakes or not. A lot of young QB's make the mistakes that Bortles is making, especially when they are forced to put the team on their back. Regardless, I think it's clear we could win with Bortles if we had a better caliber team and coaching staff around him.
C'mon Man. He isn't carrying the team. The D is carrying Thim. (get it) The man fumbled the ball trying to do a stupid pass anyway. He holds the ball to long b/c he worries about the throw to much. I think alot is play calling. They have to figure out how to use these guys.
Quote:C'mon Man. He isn't carrying the team. The D is carrying Thim. (get it) The man fumbled the ball trying to do a stupid pass anyway. He holds the ball to long b/c he worries about the throw to much. I think alot is play calling. They have to figure out how to use these guys.
This defense is allowing 33.3 points per game on the road. Tom Brady isn't winning with this defense. Worst defense in franchise history. Wins and losses are irrelevant until the problem is fixed.
Non canon like Dragonball GT?
Quote:Non canon like Dragonball GT?
More like Tina's erotic zombie fiction
Quote:I honestly had you pegged as a "hater" initially, but I'm amended my first impression on that front.
As you said, this all comes back to two things: reps/experience and coaching. The reps/experience part we're witnessing first hand. His mistakes aside, you don't drop the yardage we just did against a defense as good as the Jets if you aren't good. Dare I say, I think he has a chance to be special. But nearly all of us agree he (and the team in general) need better coaching.
There's no question better coaching is needed. I don't think anyone can look at three years worth of Gus Bradley's tenure to know it isn't working. Young team, injuries whatever excuse you can throw it can't outweighs the fact that Bradley doesn't have a winning culture. He has a soft tolerant and accepting culture. That doesn't fly in the nfl. Wins matter.
Quote:That what it comes down to, 2nd year guys are going to throw picks. Just really tough on this team, with seemingly every mistake leading to points against.
Even when the jags become better you still can't turn the ball over at this rate. It puts pressure on the whole team. You can't expect to over come turnovers every week no matter how good you are. Losing that battle is a killer.
Quote:We finally agree lol
If we had a defense holding teams to like 20 ppg average and we were winning, no one would give a damn about the ints. Well they would but it wouldn't be the issue that it is now.
If we were winning at a good clip some of them could be over looked. But look at some of his young counter parts he'll look at the elite stat qbs this past week. Qbs threw a lot of yards. The better ones kept the turn overs at a minimum. What bothers me is Marriotta is putting up some impressive numbers with minimal turn overs in his rookie year. I don't want it to be another Steve McNair/mark Brunell situation.
LOL, some one compared BB5 to Keapernick!! Bwahahahaha!! It's like some people don't even know what they are talking about...
You know who Markiss Merrytatas reminds me of? Dan Marino. It's so obvious, you guys! :teehee:
If Bortles is Favre without the cannon arm, then he is jut a sack of potato's :yes:
Quote:If we were winning at a good clip some of them could be over looked. But look at some of his young counter parts he'll look at the elite stat qbs this past week. Qbs threw a lot of yards. The better ones kept the turn overs at a minimum. What bothers me is Marriotta is putting up some impressive numbers with minimal turn overs in his rookie year. I don't want it to be another Steve McNair/mark Brunell situation.
Oh come on TC... MM has 9 turn overs compared to 11 turn overs for BB5. And MM has played in 2 fewer games...
Also, the amount of pressure and what is asked of BB5 is alot more than any other 1st or 2nd year QB in this league. The only one that comes close is Carr, but even Carr has a legit running game, better O-Line and a D that plays legit.
BB5 is asked to put the grand piano that is the Jaguars on his back and carry the team. When you are asked to basically carry a team, you force things a bit more. You can see that. Give this guy a legit O-Line next year, a slightly better running game, and a D that doesn't play prevent, and things are gonna look alot different.
Quote:Oh come on TC... MM has 9 turn overs compared to 11 turn overs for BB5. And MM has played in 2 fewer games...
Also, the amount of pressure and what is asked of BB5 is alot more than any other 1st or 2nd year QB in this league. The only one that comes close is Carr, but even Carr has a legit running game, better O-Line and a D that plays legit.
BB5 is asked to put the grand piano that is the Jaguars on his back and carry the team. When you are asked to basically carry a team, you force things a bit more. You can see that. Give this guy a legit O-Line next year, a slightly better running game, and a D that doesn't play prevent, and things are gonna look alot different.
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Now, I haven't watched Mariota play at all. I refuse to watch the tacks unless we're playing them out of principle but I don't think most people realize how good Oakland's offensive line has been playing. Derek Carr has been sacked 7 times to date iirc. Blake has been sacked nearly FOUR times that number. Not double...QUADRUPLE and that's ridiculous in and of itself.
I know TC, and for the most part I like the guy, but he's going to read this as us making excuses and that's cool. We can agree to disagree but ultimately we all want the same result (I think). A competent coaching staff (step 1) and more wins (step 2)!
Quote:Oh come on TC... MM has 9 turn overs compared to 11 turn overs for BB5. And MM has played in 2 fewer games...
Also, the amount of pressure and what is asked of BB5 is alot more than any other 1st or 2nd year QB in this league. The only one that comes close is Carr, but even Carr has a legit running game, better O-Line and a D that plays legit.
BB5 is asked to put the grand piano that is the Jaguars on his back and carry the team. When you are asked to basically carry a team, you force things a bit more. You can see that. Give this guy a legit O-Line next year, a slightly better running game, and a D that doesn't play prevent, and things are gonna look alot different.
I hear ya and you make some valid points about Blake carrying the team. All I'm saying is that Blake can be and should be learning from his mistakes. While MM went on the road put up monster numbers kept the turn overs low and lead his team to victory. The kicker he did it with a joke of a interim head coach. I'm getting some confidence in Blake but you have be honest. Sometimes you hold your breath when Blake steps back right?
Quote:I hear ya and you make some valid points about Blake carrying the team. All I'm saying is that Blake can be and should be learning from his mistakes. While MM went on the road put up monster numbers kept the turn overs low and lead his team to victory. The kicker he did it with a joke of a interim head coach. I'm getting some confidence in Blake but you have be honest. Sometimes you hold your breath when Blake steps back right?
Not yet... I'm honestly giving him a pass for the turn overs so far this year.
But yes, if this trend continues on deep into 2016, then there may be things to be concerned about. Honestly, for now, seeing him push things downfield is just such a pleasure to see. I feel like I'm actually watching an NFL offense. It's quite refreshing to see that.
The turnovers are frustrating, but to be honest, the only one that made me want to kick my dog was that fumble... And that fumble is indicative of how much BB5 feels the constant pressure that he NEEDS to make a play on every down...
I get your point about the turnovers I really do. And I'll be honest, I can't stand Brett Farve. That dude only won 1 SB because he always made a terrible mistake in big games. I don't want BB5 to be anything like Farvre. I want him to be more like Marino, or Elway. But as of right now, I think he lacks support to make the determination as to whether or not he his wise/smart enough to reduce the number of TOs he's producing.
If we can get him a little more support, and I'm not talking alot more. Just bring back Linder and get rid of Beadles, and just get a defense that doesn't play prevent D, and I think that's enough support to see whether or not BB5 is capable of reducing the TOs. If I'm right, he will reduce the TOs because he won't feel compelled to make the HUGE play on every single down...
Quote:Oh come on TC... MM has 9 turn overs compared to 11 turn overs for BB5. And MM has played in 2 fewer games...
Also, the amount of pressure and what is asked of BB5 is alot more than any other 1st or 2nd year QB in this league. The only one that comes close is Carr, but even Carr has a legit running game, better O-Line and a D that plays legit.
BB5 is asked to put the grand piano that is the Jaguars on his back and carry the team. When you are asked to basically carry a team, you force things a bit more. You can see that. Give this guy a legit O-Line next year, a slightly better running game, and a D that doesn't play prevent, and things are gonna look alot different.
Your post is very disingenious in regards to the evaluation of Mariota. Lets put a few things in perspective here.The Jags offensive line has a sack rate of 6.8%, good for 20th in the NFL. The Titans line has a sack rate of 12%, far and away the worst in the league. You say that Bortles is asked to 'carry the team' but neglect to mention that he is the only QB in the NFL with two WRs in the top 20 in terms of production (they are also #1 and #2 in YPC min 30 catches). Mariota's best (and only) play-maker this season has been Delainie Walker and the Titans' running game has been equally ineffective. Despite the worse pass protection and an inferior supporting cast of playmakers, Mariota is far and away more efficient than Bortles has ever been, and he is only 6 games into his rookie season. He is more accurate (65.5% vs 56.3), more effective (8 YPA vs 7 YPA), and has been overall better (101.5 QB rating vs 83.2).
Mariota as a rookie is doing more with less than what Bortles has in his 2nd season.
Mariotta >>>>>> Bortles
once again we get the short end of the QBs
Carr
Mariotta
Luck
Bridgewater
Bortles
Winston
Quote:Mariotta >>>>>> Bortles
once again we get the short end of the QBs
Carr
Mariotta
Luck
Bridgewater
Bortles
Winston
Another well thought out post by rocdee!