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At least you have to admit their running game looked pretty darn good vs the Saints.

Quote:At least you have to admit their running game looked pretty darn good vs the Saints.

 

It was much better, that's for sure. They get rookie Cobb back so he could be a spark. The biggest difference in that game compared to others was Mariota had time in the pocket and was able to go through his progressions. I don't think he was sacked once.

Oh man, you are either lying to yourself, or you are lying to the message board.  But only rocdee believes you're non-sensical stupidity...

 

The Jaguars are 11th  passing yards per game. 11th.  If you look at ESPN's fantasy stats, BB5 is 11th in total points.  Fantasy stats take into consideration turnovers as well as yards and TDs.  

 

While it can be argued that, "Who cares about fantasy stats", to me it shows the productivity of the Jaguar QB.  

 

As for MM, the titans YAC is higher than the jaguars.  Again, that's because BB5 is throwing receivers open.  MM dumps down and the recievers are bailing out MM. You may want to give the woah is me non-sense about your o-line, the tacks have a better run offense than the jaguars.  It's a statistical fact.

 

And the fact that you think mariotta is going through his progressions is laughable.  The guy is one read and quick throw on the vast majority of his throws.  I'm not sure where you get this fantasy that PrincessPeach&Mariotta needs time to go through his progressions.  LOL!  Seriously, that just hilarious!

 

MM delievers the ball with better timing and precision?  LOL!  He's played in 3 less games and has 5 INTs and only 13 TDs.  2 of which from Sunday's games were gimme TDs from a terrible defense...  But whatever, keep talking about more precision.  Please...  When your checking down and have offensive players that bail out your QB, I guess from a certain point of view you can say your inaccurate QB is precise...  LOL

Quote:He throws the ball 10 times more a game and only averagres 10 more yards per game. Do you know why? Because Mariota is more efficient and effective. You ignore the facts here 65% completion vs 56% and 8 YPA vs 7. The Titans also have a much worse offensive line, that's proven by the 6.8% sack rate for the Jags and 12% for the Titans. But lets again continue to ignore reality. The Titans have higher YAC because Mariota delivers balls with better timing and precision, he is putting his players in a position to make plays. Unless you think the likes of Anthony Fasano, Craig Stevens, and Antonio Andrews are dynamic playmakers who are carrying him (those were his key receivers in the comeback win). Rodgers, Brees, and Brady are among the league leaders in having their yards from YAC, and its part of the reason they have been so successful. Look at the history of successful NFL QBs and you will see high efficiency via short/intermediate throws and YAC  with no turnovers wins games in this league.

 

So, if I'm reading this correctly, you're saying Mariotta is a better Checkdowner and his receivers are good at picking up YAC? Is that really what we need in Jacksonville right now? Yet another Checkdowner? I seem to recall this board being livid in the not-too-distant past about having a Checkdowner under center. Maybe not you specifically but the point still stands.

 

If anything, most of us would agree needs to be more balance not just in short vs. long passes but passes vs. effective runs. However, your singularly stat driven impression of Bortles, such that it is, comes off as exceedingly disingenuous as well. You represent an inaccurate extreme that Blake is a horrible QB and is hopeless. You may not intend to...but that's how you come off. That's no more true than those proclaiming Blake is the next Joe Montana. The truth lies somewhere in the middle and the signs point to him eventually growing into a very good quarterback if he keeps putting in the work and cleaning up his game (along with better coaching). Why can't we all just agree to that and stop this nonsensical debate?

13:50 of the first Quarter:  MM's first pass of the game:  First two plays were runs.  It's now 3rd and 3.  This is an easy first down for a normal QB.  MM, one read quick out to the strong side WR.  The WR is well covered and the ball is knocked away by the CB.

 

MM was inaccurate with the throw that only had to travel 5 yards.  There was at least 4 yards towards the sideline for MM to lead the WR so the CB couldn't get it.  He didn't.

 

Bad pass on a--- Wait for it--- One read quick out...  

 

This is your boy Markiss Mybuttiota...  He's asked to manage the game.  Let the running game do most the work, and then run a 1 read quick pass.  

 

BB5 is asked to do alot more.  And as far as yardage, TDs, and points go, BB5 is in the top  10 to top 12...  Pretty darn good considering what he has to work with and how far behind the 8 ball the Jaguars usually are because of our bad defense.

Quote:So, if I'm reading this correctly, you're saying Mariotta is a better Checkdowner and his receivers are good at picking up YAC? Is that really what we need in Jacksonville right now? Yet another Checkdowner? I seem to recall this board being livid in the not-too-distant past about having a Checkdowner under center. Maybe not you specifically but the point still stands.

 

We could use a good YAC target....

Greene and Lee will be back soon

Now, let's contrast that with BB5's first pass against the Jets.

 

He actually does go through his progression.  It's a playaction pass...  He looks towards the his left for his primary WR, I think it was AR15.  AR15 is double covered. BB5 feels the pressure and checks it down to his RB for a 4 yard gain.

 

BB5 does go through is progressions.  BB5, early in the game is patient and let the offense come to him on his first pass.  What happened as the Jets game went on is that the pressure to get a scorfe became more and more pressing and BB5 began to have to force the issue more.

 

But at the end of the day, BB5 is actually doing what a true NFL QB is supposed to do.  Run an offense, go through progessions, and get TDs and yardage.

 

MM may become that, but he's not.  And whether some folks want to believe it or not, BB5s level of success is putting him around top 10 to top 13 QB in the NFL...  That's just the fact....

Quote:Now, let's contrast that with BB5's first pass against the Jets.

 

He actually does go through his progression.  It's a playaction pass...  He looks towards the his left for his primary WR, I think it was AR15.  AR15 is double covered. BB5 feels the pressure and checks it down to his RB for a 4 yard gain.

 

BB5 does go through is progressions.  BB5, early in the game is patient and let the offense come to him on his first pass.  What happened as the Jets game went on is that the pressure to get a scorfe became more and more pressing and BB5 began to have to force the issue more.

 

But at the end of the day, BB5 is actually doing what a true NFL QB is supposed to do.  Run an offense, go through progessions, and get TDs and yardage.

 

MM may become that, but he's not.  And whether some folks want to believe it or not, BB5s level of success is putting him around top 10 to top 13 QB in the NFL...  That's just the fact....

If Bortles had the O-line Carr has

or the defense/run game Teddy has...

or the coaching some other young guys have (though I kind of like Olson as an offensive coach for Blake)

I think he is unquestionably the best QB in the past couple drafts...

 

but I'm a homer.

Quote:So, if I'm reading this correctly, you're saying Mariotta is a better Checkdowner and his receivers are good at picking up YAC? Is that really what we need in Jacksonville right now? Yet another Checkdowner? I seem to recall this board being livid in the not-too-distant past about having a Checkdowner under center. Maybe not you specifically but the point still stands.

 

If anything, most of us would agree needs to be more balance not just in short vs. long passes but passes vs. effective runs. However, your singularly stat driven impression of Bortles, such that it is, comes off as exceedingly disingenuous as well. You represent an inaccurate extreme that Blake is a horrible QB and is hopeless. You may not intend to...but that's how you come off. That's no more true than those proclaiming Blake is the next Joe Montana. The truth lies somewhere in the middle and the signs point to him eventually growing into a very good quarterback if he keeps putting in the work and cleaning up his game (along with better coaching). Why can't we all just agree to that and stop this nonsensical debate?

 

No, what I'm saying is that YAC is a mark of an accurate and well timed ball. Having good YAC production is not the same as being a checkdowner, just look at YPA.  My point is that efficiency is what wins game in the NFL and to knock Mariota doing things that NFL greats rely on game in and game out on their way to multiple superbowl wins and the hall of fame doesn't make sense to me. I'm not saying that Bortles is the worst QB or absolutely hopeless, but its far from obvious he is going to be more than an average QB in this league. He has been better in his 2nd year, but far from the franchise QB and lock top 10 QB many are making him out to be. He is still one of the most inaccurate passers in the NFL and needs to make better decisions. 

 

The only problem I have is with posters who write off Mariota when all the facts and good reasoning support him and those who will blindly defend Bortles in the face of obvious evidence. The excuses for Bortles and the attempts to discredit Mariota are laughable.

What's Blake on pace for re pick sixes?

Quote:No, what I'm saying is that YAC is a mark of an accurate and well timed ball. Having good YAC production is not the same as being a checkdowner, just look at YPA.  My point is that efficiency is what wins game in the NFL and to knock Mariota doing things that NFL greats rely on game in and game out on their way to multiple superbowl wins and the hall of fame doesn't make sense to me. I'm not saying that Bortles is the worst QB or absolutely hopeless, but its far from obvious he is going to be more than an average QB in this league. He has been better in his 2nd year, but far from the franchise QB and lock top 10 QB many are making him out to be. He is still one of the most inaccurate passers in the NFL and needs to make better decisions. 

 

The only problem I have is with posters who write off Mariota when all the facts and good reasoning support him and those who will blindly defend Bortles in the face of obvious evidence. The excuses for Bortles and the attempts to discredit Mariota are laughable.

 

Well, I will give you this...  MM can't be a check downer, considering he throws to his first read all the time...  Ba doom boom, Hey yooooo!  I'll be here all night folks, try the veal.

 

I'm beginning to wonder if you even watch Manischewitziota even play ball...  I still can't get over that on pass that got them to into the red zone on the GW drive against the saints.  The ball was poorly thrown, the player fell down, nobody touched  him, he got up and ran for another 20 yards.  But yeah, it was an accurate and well timed throw...  LOL!!! :teehee:

 

As for BB5...  He's top 10 in production.  But yeah, he's totally not gonna make it in this league other than being hopelessly mediocre.  Please, dude, you're talking like you don't really football all that much.  I guess, as a PhD student you have bigger fish to fry?   :pinch:

Quote:What's Blake on pace for re pick sixes?

 

Well, considering he had 0 pick 6's against the jets, he's on pace for 0 INTs for the rest of his career.

 

Or, based on the first 2 years, he's on pace for about 1,000 pick 6's for his entire career...

 

I think it's gonna fall somewhere inbetween that range of numbers...  

Quote:What's Blake on pace for re pick sixes?

6?

 

I'm not sure how to find that stat. I can think of 3 he's had so far.

 

keep throwing up whatever you want dude. You're not even good enough to be a troll, you're a tool.

Quote:Oh man, you are either lying to yourself, or you are lying to the message board.  But only rocdee believes you're non-sensical stupidity...

 

The Jaguars are 11th  passing yards per game. 11th.  If you look at ESPN's fantasy stats, BB5 is 11th in total points.  Fantasy stats take into consideration turnovers as well as yards and TDs.  

 

While it can be argued that, "Who cares about fantasy stats", to me it shows the productivity of the Jaguar QB.  

 

As for MM, the titans YAC is higher than the jaguars.  Again, that's because BB5 is throwing receivers open.  MM dumps down and the recievers are bailing out MM. You may want to give the woah is me non-sense about your o-line, the tacks have a better run offense than the jaguars.  It's a statistical fact.

 

And the fact that you think mariotta is going through his progressions is laughable.  The guy is one read and quick throw on the vast majority of his throws.  I'm not sure where you get this fantasy that PrincessPeach&Mariotta needs time to go through his progressions.  LOL!  Seriously, that just hilarious!

 

MM delievers the ball with better timing and precision?  LOL!  He's played in 3 less games and has 5 INTs and only 13 TDs.  2 of which from Sunday's games were gimme TDs from a terrible defense...  But whatever, keep talking about more precision.  Please...  When your checking down and have offensive players that bail out your QB, I guess from a certain point of view you can say your inaccurate QB is precise...  LOL

 

Where's the Jags defense ranked in fantasy? 

Quote:What's Blake on pace for re pick sixes?

What's a re pick 6?

Quote:Where's the Jags defense ranked in fantasy? 

6th worst. 

Ahead of

Boys 

Bears

Bolts

9ers 

and Ravens and 1 point under Oakland.

Quote:No, what I'm saying is that YAC is a mark of an accurate and well timed ball. Having good YAC production is not the same as being a checkdowner, just look at YPA.  My point is that efficiency is what wins game in the NFL and to knock Mariota doing things that NFL greats rely on game in and game out on their way to multiple superbowl wins and the hall of fame doesn't make sense to me. I'm not saying that Bortles is the worst QB or absolutely hopeless, but its far from obvious he is going to be more than an average QB in this league. He has been better in his 2nd year, but far from the franchise QB and lock top 10 QB many are making him out to be. He is still one of the most inaccurate passers in the NFL and needs to make better decisions. 

 

The only problem I have is with posters who write off Mariota when all the facts and good reasoning support him and those who will blindly defend Bortles in the face of obvious evidence. The excuses for Bortles and the attempts to discredit Mariota are laughable.

How is checkdown yardage, not yac?

Quote:No, what I'm saying is that YAC is a mark of an accurate and well timed ball. Having good YAC production is not the same as being a checkdowner, just look at YPA.  My point is that efficiency is what wins game in the NFL and to knock Mariota doing things that NFL greats rely on game in and game out on their way to multiple superbowl wins and the hall of fame doesn't make sense to me. I'm not saying that Bortles is the worst QB or absolutely hopeless, but its far from obvious he is going to be more than an average QB in this league. He has been better in his 2nd year, but far from the franchise QB and lock top 10 QB many are making him out to be. He is still one of the most inaccurate passers in the NFL and needs to make better decisions. 

 

The only problem I have is with posters who write off Mariota when all the facts and good reasoning support him and those who will blindly defend Bortles in the face of obvious evidence. The excuses for Bortles and the attempts to discredit Mariota are laughable.

YAC is the mark of a wide receiver who can make plays after the catch. Not always is it on the QB. Sometimes it is the receiver or RB that makes someone miss and gets YAC.

Another YAC (yards after contact) would shine some light to this as well.

 

checkdown masters with shifty backs and shifty wideouts and a TE like Walker can end up with some nice stats and comp %

Quote:YAC is the mark of a wide receiver who can make plays after the catch. Not always is it on the QB. Sometimes it is the receiver or RB that makes someone miss and gets YAC.

Another YAC (yards after contact) would shine some light to this as well.

 

checkdown masters with shifty backs and shifty wideouts and a TE like Walker can end up with some nice stats and comp %

 

The Titans best YAC player is Wright, who is around 70th in the NFL in that regard with 140 yards (out vs Saints). Delainie Walker doesn't even crack the top 100 and he's been Mariota's best playmaker. I'm not sure what shifty playmakers the Titans have on offense, but I promise you their playmakers aren't nearly as good as the Jags'.

Quote:The Titans best YAC player is Wright, who is around 70th in the NFL in that regard with 140 yards (out vs Saints). Delainie Walker doesn't even crack the top 100 and he's been Mariota's best playmaker. I'm not sure what shifty playmakers the Titans have on offense, but I promise you their playmakers aren't nearly as good as the Jags'.

 

Well duh.  The talent we have on offense, in terms of our passing game is top 10.  That includes our QB.  Just deal with the fact that BB5 is a HUGE factor why we are a top 10 passing team.  

 

Dude, seriously.  You talk out of both sides of your mouth so much that it seems like you are forgetting what point you are even trying to make.  You're embarrassing yourself...  That's a fact.