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Quote:22 total turnovers and 58% completion percentage? ?!!


YIKES!!!

 

I'm gonna venture to say you have no college degree and you're collecting food stamps

Quote:I'm gonna venture to say you have no college degree and you're collecting food stamps

rocdee is great at trolling, I'll grant you that.


^^ But man,, that is really uncalled for. No reason for it.

Quote:22 total turnovers and 58% completion percentage? ?!!


YIKES!!!

Luck had 22 total turnovers in his 3rd year....

 

Luck had JUST over 60% in his 2nd and 3rd years 

55 in his first

 

And while Luck in his second year was way down on turnovers, Bortles will be slightly down, and probably won't regress as hard as Luck has.

 

Bridgewater had almost 1 int for every game in his first season and while he has cut down on turnovers and his comp % is high, it is because they are playing coddle the QB offense, leaning hard on AP and the strong D. But continue to ignore that Minny has a game manager you're trying to prop up.

 

As for the two rookies.... well after about half a season you are ready to annoit them better than Bortles and that just shows to your true trollerific self.

you're insane or insanely stupid.

Quote:rocdee is great at trolling, I'll grant you that.


^^ But man,, that is really uncalled for. No reason for it.

if anything it is just insulting to people on food stamps for being lumped together with that guy in any way shape or form lol

Quote:22 total turnovers and 58% completion percentage? ?!!

YIKES!!!

32 TD's. Yikes!!!!

Quote:32 TD's. Yikes!!!!

34*

Quote:34*

 

Would be........3rd best EVER for a 23 year QB.....his INT's wouldn't even be in the top 10. rocdee is braindead.

Quote:Its pathetic when trolls that have no real concept of football are given numbers to use when they have no idea as to what they mean.

 

It's even sadder when I have to constantly type the same things, and the troll never even accepts the facts...  

 

But I'll say it again:  BB5 is asked to do more.  He just is.

 

He throws the ball 10 more times per game...  Because he has to...  The O-line for the Jaguars is less special that the tacks.  It's just a fact.  The tacks have a better run game, than ours.  BB5 has been sacked 25 times.  And if you actually watch the Jaguars play, he's forced out of the pocket a ton.

 

MM, on the other hand, is asked to throw quick outs.  He's a one read pony, and isn't hurried or sacked as often because he's not asked to push the ball down the field.  I mean, it's fun to look at numbers, but it's important to watch the games.  It's clear that some folks aren't watching BB5 actually play.  

 

The tacks have a higher YAC than the jags.  Those are also facts.   "Oh look how awesome BB5's WRs are".  LOL are you kidding me?  Uh. two 2nd year players that were not on anybody's radar are having great years BECAUSE of BB5...  LOL, how pathetic of an argument is that???  LOL

 

The tack D is giving up 23 points per game.  The Jags are giving up 30... Again, BB5 is under the gun every game.  He is having to catch up or stay even with teams that are scoring almost at will against a poorly schemed out D and coach that can't figure out how to stop anyone.  Manchuriatata is a game manager.  I mean, I'm watching both players play.  I have Sunday ticket.  MM was getting bailed by by his team constantly.  BB5 is BAILING OUT THE JAGUARS constantly.

 

HUGE DIFFERENCE...

 

Look, it's fun to imagine that Mariachita is gonna be the next...  Who ever.  But he's not that good...  I've been watching him play, and he's a poor man's Russel Wilson.  He's having about as much success as a spread offense QB is gonna have untill he finally is figured out.

 

BB5 on the other hand is carrying a football team...  These are facts.

 

He throws the ball 10 times more a game and only averagres 10 more yards per game. Do you know why? Because Mariota is more efficient and effective. You ignore the facts here 65% completion vs 56% and 8 YPA vs 7. The Titans also have a much worse offensive line, that's proven by the 6.8% sack rate for the Jags and 12% for the Titans. But lets again continue to ignore reality. The Titans have higher YAC because Mariota delivers balls with better timing and precision, he is putting his players in a position to make plays. Unless you think the likes of Anthony Fasano, Craig Stevens, and Antonio Andrews are dynamic playmakers who are carrying him (those were his key receivers in the comeback win). Rodgers, Brees, and Brady are among the league leaders in having their yards from YAC, and its part of the reason they have been so successful. Look at the history of successful NFL QBs and you will see high efficiency via short/intermediate throws and YAC  with no turnovers wins games in this league.

Quote:He throws the ball 10 times more a game and only averagres 10 more yards per game. Do you know why? Because Mariota is more efficient and effective. You ignore the facts here 65% completion vs 56% and 8 YPA vs 7. The Titans also have a much worse offensive line, that's proven by the 6.8% sack rate for the Jags and 12% for the Titans. But lets again continue to ignore reality. The Titans have higher YAC because Mariota delivers balls with better timing and precision, he is putting his players in a position to make plays. Unless you think the likes of Anthony Fasano, Craig Stevens, and Antonio Andrews are dynamic playmakers who are carrying him (those were his key receivers in the comeback win). Rodgers, Brees, and Brady are among the league leaders in having their yards from YAC, and its part of the reason they have been so successful. Look at the history of successful NFL QBs and you will see high efficiency via short/intermediate throws and YAC  with no turnovers wins games in this league.

 

I quit reading after "he".

Quote:I quit reading after "he".

 

It's easier to hide from the truth, I know. It must be painful to read because of the cognitive dissonance.

Quote:He throws the ball 10 times more a game and only averagres 10 more yards per game. Do you know why? Because Mariota is more efficient and effective. You ignore the facts here 65% completion vs 56% and 8 YPA vs 7. The Titans also have a much worse offensive line, that's proven by the 6.8% sack rate for the Jags and 12% for the Titans. But lets again continue to ignore reality. The Titans have higher YAC because Mariota delivers balls with better timing and precision, he is putting his players in a position to make plays. Unless you think the likes of Anthony Fasano, Craig Stevens, and Antonio Andrews are dynamic playmakers who are carrying him (those were his key receivers in the comeback win). Rodgers, Brees, and Brady are among the league leaders in having their yards from YAC, and its part of the reason they have been so successful. Look at the history of successful NFL QBs and you will see high efficiency via short/intermediate throws and YAC  with no turnovers wins games in this league.

dude... Eminem has only played in like 6 games.... 

 

wait... the comeback win VS one of the leagues absolute worst pass defenses... that one?

geez....

This the same kid who dropped 10 on Miami, right?

 

He has one huge game (and I'm giving him that...) and he's the best ever since Luck, amirite?

 

13 points on Buffalo........

 

 

 

I mean....

Quote:dude... Eminem has only played in like 6 games.... 

 

So 6 games is enough to write him off, but it's not enough to take away anything positive? Could you imagine what poster's would think if Bortles was putting up those numbers in his first 6 starts? Do you remember what that looked like? Here's a reminder: 6 TDs 11 INTs 3 fumbles.

Quote:So 6 games is enough to write him off, but it's not enough to take away anything positive? Could you imagine what poster's would think if Bortles was putting up those numbers in his first 6 starts? Do you remember what that looked like? Here's a reminder: 6 TDs 11 INTs 3 fumbles.

Who is writing him off?????

 

Not me... I'm saying he isn't better than our current Bortles.

Kid has blasted some bad defenses, and been bottled up by good ones.

 

He might be less careless with the ball, and his stats might show a little better now, but give the kid some time... let's see where he is at after 14 starts and compare rookie seasons....

Quote:Kid has blasted some bad defenses, and been bottled up by good ones.

 

He might be less careless with the ball, and his stats might show a little better now, but give the kid some time... let's see where he is at after 14 starts and compare rookie seasons....

 

Comparing rookie seasons its not even close, you have to go into Bortles' 2nd season to even make the comparison respectable. Bortles has struggled against good defenses too, take away his two best games (against awful defenses) and his numbers are pretty bad too.

Quote:He throws the ball 10 times more a game and only averagres 10 more yards per game. Do you know why? Because Mariota is more efficient and effective. You ignore the facts here 65% completion vs 56% and 8 YPA vs 7. The Titans also have a much worse offensive line, that's proven by the 6.8% sack rate for the Jags and 12% for the Titans. But lets again continue to ignore reality. The Titans have higher YAC because Mariota delivers balls with better timing and precision, he is putting his players in a position to make plays. Unless you think the likes of Anthony Fasano, Craig Stevens, and Antonio Andrews are dynamic playmakers who are carrying him (those were his key receivers in the comeback win). Rodgers, Brees, and Brady are among the league leaders in having their yards from YAC, and its part of the reason they have been so successful. Look at the history of successful NFL QBs and you will see high efficiency via short/intermediate throws and YAC  with no turnovers wins games in this league.

 

 

Mariota's higher sack rate also has a bit to do with his lack of pocket presence. Granted the Jaguars OL may be a little better at pass blocking, but the Titans OL is far better at run blocking allowing them to boast an effective running game which in turn let's Marota throw when has to verses practically all the time like Bortles does. Also, since Mariota can't throw accurately downfield if his life depended on it, he not only takes advantage of an effective run game and play action, but his field of vision is limited to what's right in front of him. This allows Mariota to maintain a far high completion percentage which directly results in the higher YPA. The stats make it look closer than it really is, and Mariota is even more prone to fumbles and INTs than Bortles especially with that incredibly low dart-like trajectory of his.


 

I will say this for Mariota...


 

The mere fact that we're comparing a rookie to a second-year qb gives him hope. He's still a project not quite on Bortles' level, but certainly he's having a better rookie season than Bortles aside from the fact that Bortles actually remained healthy all year.

Quote:Comparing rookie seasons its not even close, you have to go into Bortles' 2nd season to even make the comparison respectable. Bortles has struggled against good defenses too, take away his two best games (against awful defenses) and his numbers are pretty bad too.

yeah... unless Eminem has some crappy games to close out his rookie season....

ya know... when they face the Panthers, Raiders, Jags twice, and the Jets....

 

I'll wait... you can wet your pants for the kid if you want.

Quote:Mariota's higher sack rate also has a bit to do with his lack of pocket presence. Granted the Jaguars OL may be a little better at pass blocking, but the Titans OL is far better at run blocking allowing them to boast an effective running game which in turn let's Marota throw when has to verses practically all the time like Bortles does. Also, since Mariota can't throw accurately downfield if his life depended on it, he not only takes advantage of an effective run game and play action, but his field of vision is limited to what's right in front of him. This allows Mariota to maintain a far high completion percentage which directly results in the higher YPA. The stats make it look closer than it really is, and Mariota is even more prone to fumbles and INTs than Bortles especially with that incredibly low dart-like trajectory of his.


 

I will say this for Mariota...


 

The mere fact that we're comparing a rookie to a second-year qb gives him hope. He's still a project not quite on Bortles' level, but certainly he's having a better rookie season than Bortles aside from the fact that Bortles actually remained healthy all year.

 

Do you realize how obviously false this is? The Titans running game is a joke and Mariota has struggled in play action more than anything else. If you don't watch the games or do not know to accurately interpret stats I don't know what to tell you. At least try to provide some evidence or justification for your point.

 

Quote:yeah... unless Eminem has some crappy games to close out his rookie season....

ya know... when they face the Panthers, Raiders, Jags twice, and the Jets....

 

I'll wait... you can wet your pants for the kid if you want.

 

Except he has already exceeded his TD totals and has been nowhere near as inaccurate and turnover prone. Outside of the Dolphins game where he was severely injured, he hasn't had any problems turning the ball over. He's been great at that, despite being a rookie. I'm eager to see how he finishes the season compared to Bortles, I think the numbers will be even better than they are now in favor of Mariota as he continues to adjust to the NFL and gets his best WR healthy.

I like Blake, and I'm excited for the future with him as our QB.

 

With Blake, the Jags move the ball. They sustain long drives. Before, if you were at the stadium, and the offense was on the field, you couldn't even take two sips of your beer before the punting team came on. Those of us who have followed the team for years have noticed the difference. The national media has too.

 

And as a Jags fan, you don't just get Blake. You get Hurns and A-Rob too. The A-Team has a synergy with their QB. I pray that somehow Lee can join that tandem, but that may be asking for too much.