Quote:I don't think anyone is advocating that there will be significant improvement. The HC mostly sets the tone/culture of an organization. By firing Gus, you simply will not have any more cheerleading for losses going on. The OC and DC will still game plan as normal and the systems will not change until the Jags have a new HC. Marrone (or whoever) can be the interim HC and ensure the team has practice schedules, game plans, etc.
I think the true gain is that the rest of the NFL world would now know we are searching for a HC so it gives Khan/Caldwell a head start. I also think that this roster has more potential than what Mularkey started with. That being said, I think the right head coach can truly turn this team around by next year (or at least show genuine progress) and either compete for the playoffs next year or at worst case in 2017.
The downside is, the prospective candidates will all know that Khan has a quick trigger on firings, and they may not feel like they will get a fair shake. After all, they might think, Gus had one of the worst rosters of all time when he took over, and he got barely over 2 seasons before getting fired in mid-season. Head coaching candidates might prefer to work for an organization that is not so trigger happy when it comes to firing their head coach.
Think about it. If you were a head coaching candidate, would you prefer to work for Pittsburgh, where they haven't fired a head coach in about 40 years, or would you prefer to work for some organization like Oakland that fires their head coach every other year? I would think a head coaching candidate would prefer some job security and a full chance to turn the team around. Two years and 4 games is not a whole lot of time to turn around the worst roster in the league.
Quote:I'm not really saying that I'm expecting a new coach to come in mid season and lead us to 12-0.
But seriously, why keep him? Fire him, promote Marrone until we find a new guy in the offseason.
what is that going to accomplish other than having Gus gone? Do you think just having him gone is going to fix everything? Firing Gus just to be rid of him will solve nothing...Do you think that firing Gus now will magically make the receivers stop dropping passes right in their hands? Will it make the run game suddenly become wide open? Will it increase BB accuracy? Will it suddenly lead to more sacks and disruption to the qb? I doubt it
Quote:so what happens if we fire gus, and the team collapses? then what? 1-15?...I'd rather wait
1-15 or 4-12.... who cares.
Quote:what is that going to accomplish other than having Gus gone? Do you think just having him gone is going to fix everything? Firing Gus just to be rid of him will solve nothing...Do you think that firing Gus now will magically make the receivers stop dropping passes right in their hands? Will it make the run game suddenly become wide open? Will it increase BB accuracy? Will it suddenly lead to more sacks and disruption to the qb? I doubt it
I'll tell you what it will accomplish. It will tell all the prospective head coaching candidates that they will be coaching with a gun to their heads.
The best way to attract good candidates is to show them that we gave Gus every opportunity to turn this thing around. And that means at least let him finish out his 3rd season.
We all (at least, most of us) said if we could get 6 wins, Gus could stay on one more year. We've only played 4 games. How could he possibly get 6 wins in 4 games?
So, I agree with you. I say, we have to show all the other head coaching candidates that we treat people right. That we give them a full chance. That we don't fire people on a whim or out of anger or to send a message.
So it's ok for a coach to be fired after four games, but fans can't even question the futility of sticking with Gus? Miami is now going to have dibs on whichever coach they want.
The problem is players are focusing on one week at a time while fans can see the Bradwell ship heading toward an iceberg
After a Jaguars loss this board is always highly amusing. If it wasn't for the fact that the Jaguars lost I'd actually look forward to it.
The whining, the crying, the tough-guy "fire them all!" attitudes. Always laugh out loud kind of material.
People like Jeremy and clfcrn777 thinking that anyone cares that Gus Bradley isn't living up to their expectations. Great stuff.
Of course no one ever seems to name who the saviors are that will turn everything around. Can't open oneself up to criticism, right?
On to Tampa!
Quote:what is that going to accomplish other than having Gus gone? Do you think just having him gone is going to fix everything? Firing Gus just to be rid of him will solve nothing...Do you think that firing Gus now will magically make the receivers stop dropping passes right in their hands? Will it make the run game suddenly become wide open? Will it increase BB accuracy? Will it suddenly lead to more sacks and disruption to the qb? I doubt it
Did you read my post? I literally said that I didn't expect someone to come in and make us perfect.
Fire Gus because he's terrible. Happens all the time in the NFL. Marrone has been with these players, nothing would be that unfamiliar until we can get an upgrade in the offseason.
Quote:I'll tell you what it will accomplish. It will tell all the prospective head coaching candidates that they will be coaching with a gun to their heads.
The best way to attract good candidates is to show them that we gave Gus every opportunity to turn this thing around. And that means at least let him finish out his 3rd season.
We all (at least, most of us) said if we could get 6 wins, Gus could stay on one more year. We've only played 4 games. How could he possibly get 6 wins in 4 games?
The sad thing is, Gus will probably get next year too...His seat will be hotter than 300 hells, but he will be the HC next year
Quote:After a Jaguars loss this board is always highly amusing. If it wasn't for the fact that the Jaguars lost I'd actually look forward to it.
The whining, the crying, the tough-guy "fire them all!" attitudes. Always laugh out loud kind of material.
People like Jeremy and clfcrn777 thinking that anyone cares that Gus Bradley isn't living up to their expectations. Great stuff.
Of course no one ever seems to name who the saviors are that will turn everything around. Can't open oneself up to criticism, right?
On to Tampa!
I agree with you to an extent. I too believe people are too quick to pick up the pitchforks. I also think it is dumb to fire a coach mid-season.
However, in your opinion, when do you think the Jags need to clean house again? So far this year (as far as wins and consistency are concerned), we look the same as the previous years. Yes we can see some improvement in the offense. Specifically the quarterback posistion and the O-line. But as far as being able to finish a game and put a W on the board, it's the same. Do you think the fan base needs to remain patient and assume, like this year, that the "fix" is closely on us? Or do you think that the regime for whatever reason is not able to win?
Quote:Did you read my post? I literally said that I didn't expect someone to come in and make us perfect.
Fire Gus because he's terrible. Happens all the time in the NFL. Marrone has been with these players, nothing would be that unfamiliar until we can get an upgrade in the offseason.
and nothing would change so it would be firing him just for the sake of firing him...it's pretty rare to see a HC fired before the end of the year...It does happen, but it's not too common and the reason is because it serves no purpose to fire a coach just to be rid of him without having an unquestionable upgrade ready to step in...Look everyone wants things to change, but firing Gus just to have him gone isn't going to change anything
Quote:I'll take that bet.
I don't recall saying that was a bet
Quote:I don't recall saying that was a bet
You said he will be the HC next year. I bet you that if this continues, he won't.
Quote:and nothing would change so it would be firing him just for the sake of firing him...it's pretty rare to see a HC fired before the end of the year...It does happen, but it's not too common and the reason is because it serves no purpose to fire a coach just to be rid of him without having an unquestionable upgrade ready to step in...Look everyone wants things to change, but firing Gus just to have him gone isn't going to change anything
Not that rare. Joe Philbin just got fired as soon as u posted this.
Quote:Not that rare. Joe Philbin just got fired as soon as u posted this.
and nothing will change with their team...
Quote:I agree with you to an extent. I too believe people are too quick to pick up the pitchforks. I also think it is dumb to fire a coach mid-season.
However, in your opinion, when do you think the Jags need to clean house again? So far this year (as far as wins and consistency are concerned), we look the same as the previous years. Yes we can see some improvement in the offense. Specifically the quarterback posistion and the O-line. But as far as being able to finish a game and put a W on the board, it's the same. Do you think the fan base needs to remain patient and assume, like this year, that the "fix" is closely on us? Or do you think that the regime for whatever reason is not able to win?
I know your reply wasn't directed to me, but it made me think of something else...When does the problem go from coaching to being the players fault? Can you coach dropping passes out of a player? can you coach out everything out of everyone so they are a perfect player or at some point in time do you say, well we tried to teach these guys but they just weren't receptive to what we were teaching them? Anyone can tell a player how to do something, but if they just can't do it who gets the blame? I'm not saying this is the case here, but when you go over blocking assignments or coverage assignments every single day from the start of OTAs and TC to the 5th week of the season and the players are still missing assignments is that coaching or is that the players fault?
Quote:I agree with you to an extent. I too believe people are too quick to pick up the pitchforks. I also think it is dumb to fire a coach mid-season.
However, in your opinion, when do you think the Jags need to clean house again? So far this year (as far as wins and consistency are concerned), we look the same as the previous years. Yes we can see some improvement in the offense. Specifically the quarterback posistion and the O-line. But as far as being able to finish a game and put a W on the board, it's the same. Do you think the fan base needs to remain patient and assume, like this year, that the "fix" is closely on us? Or do you think that the regime for whatever reason is not able to win?
Hey, if I knew the answer to your questions I'd be coaching in the NFL. But whining without offering solutions is just whining - i.e., childish.
I tend to be more a players not plays kind of fan. Who is out there that is this genius that sees something that no one else sees? Someone who has just been fired for failing? Is that who the whiners want?
I'm hopeful that this team needs to get to a third stage. Stage one was - play like an NFL team. I think this year they have. Stage two is get good QB play. Bortles is miles and miles farther along than he was last year. Stage three is learn how to score. I hope that comes soon. Real soon.
But don't get me wrong - I appreciate the fact that so many former GMs and NFL coaches take the time to post on this message board. We should be honored.
Quote:I know your reply wasn't directed to me, but it made me think of something else...When does the problem go from coaching to being the players fault? Can you coach dropping passes out of a player? can you coach out everything out of everyone so they are a perfect player or at some point in time do you say, well we tried to teach these guys but they just weren't receptive to what we were teaching them? Anyone can tell a player how to do something, but if they just can't do it who gets the blame? I'm not saying this is the case here, but when you go over blocking assignments or coverage assignments every single day from the start of OTAs and TC to the 5th week of the season and the players are still missing assignments is that coaching or is that the players fault?
Unfortunately the buck stops with the coach. If this team was doing amazing, he would get all the credit. Since it's not, he is getting all the blame. His job is to coach the players he has and put wins on the board. Whether those players suck or not is not his responsibility. Caldwell should bring in more talent if that's the case. I believe Caldwell has brought the talent in, Gus just isn't taking advantage of it. A WR consistently drops passes? Take him out and replace him. A lineman keeps missing his block? Take him out and replace him. Make them feel the heat of not performing well. Does Gus do that? We don't know. All we see from the outside looking in is that he pats his players on the backs and congratulates them even if they do terrible. This team needs discipline BAD and I'm not sure Gus is the guy to do that.
Quote:Hey, if I knew the answer to your questions I'd be coaching in the NFL. But whining without offering solutions is just whining - i.e., childish.
I tend to be more a players not plays kind of fan. Who is out there that is this genius that sees something that no one else sees? Someone who has just been fired for failing? Is that who the whiners want?
I'm hopeful that this team needs to get to a third stage. Stage one was - play like an NFL team. I think this year they have. Stage two is get good QB play. Bortles is miles and miles farther along than he was last year. Stage three is learn how to score. I hope that comes soon. Real soon.
But don't get me wrong - I appreciate the fact that so many former GMs and NFL coaches take the time to post on this message board. We should be honored.
Well they are offering a solution. Firing the current coach and getting someone else. The hope is that this someone else has the right answer. Whether it's play calling, discipline, experience, whatever. I agree with you that the players need to play like professionals and earn the salary they are getting. If they can't perform to the standards set, get rid of them. However, there is a lot to be said about the coaching. I have to think that if Belichick came here as the coach he would be able to get us winning again. But, maybe not. Much of his success came from amazing talent. But, maybe it also came from his genious coaching and play calling.
Since the fan base don't have the answers, the only solution seems to be is a new coach. For me, the talent seems to be here. We have great receivers, great QB, decent oline, RB that is progressing, and above average TE's. Why are we not putting points on the board? Play calls? Players who are not creative enough to make plays? Not sure.