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Quote:I really thought Marquis would be the star out of he and Robinson. Sounds like it may go the opposite way perhaps. Have heard too much about Lee. Is he still slightly injured?

 

it's a little early.  i wouldn't put too much stock in nerd tweets about practices in shorts.

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Safety Johnathan Cyprien, 37, is accused of an illegal push by tight end Marcedes Lewis, 89, after an incomplete pass to Lewis during a Jacksonville Jaguars organized team activities (OTA) practice in Jacksonville, Fla., on Tuesday, June 9, 2015.

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Lewis would crush Cyprien

Lewis has trained in MMA the past few years.


All that hand to hand combat training and he still tries to jump over people on the football field...

Quote:Lewis would crush Cyprien

Based on what?

Quote:Lewis would crush Cyprien

 

If by "crush" you mean...

 

Quote:it's a little early.  i wouldn't put too much stock in nerd tweets about practices in shorts.

 

Or an Ormond Beach opinion about anything remotely Jaguar related.

Quote:That's what I thought going into this offseason. House is definitely overpaid but we need him for depth as the worst case. Needing 3 CB starters is a must in this NFL. It is weird to me that Colvin is forced inside when he can play outside too. House can only play outside in this scheme and is being paid an outrageous sum to be the 3rd best we have.

Seems to me that if u have 3 guys who are comfortable playing outside, and one of those three has great comfort and success inside, that u would play the guy who is better suited to play nickle at nickle. Even if he is your best corner, if it would round the defense off better as a whole. I mean why play House or McCrae, Gratz or Harris at the nickle if Colvin plays it better than all of them?

Quote:Based on what?

 

Size, strength, and MMA training I would think...

Quote:Seems to me that if u have 3 guys who are comfortable playing outside, and one of those three has great comfort and success inside, that u would play the guy who is better suited to play nickle at nickle. Even if he is your best corner, if it would round the defense off better as a whole. I mean why play House or McCrae, Gratz or Harris at the nickle if Colvin plays it better than all of them?

 

Your best corners play outside.

 

They'd like him to play outside on 1 and 2, then move to nickel on 3rd down like Ronde Barber.  Speaks well of Colvin with that comparison.

 

It would be like saying Tony Boselli could play center better than anyone on the roster, so he should play there instead of LT.

Quote:Your best corners play outside.


They'd like him to play outside on 1 and 2, then move to nickel on 3rd down like Ronde Barber. Speaks well of Colvin with that comparison.


It would be like saying Tony Boselli could play center better than anyone on the roster, so he should play there instead of LT.

just seems that we'd be creating a liability in the middle just so Colvin can play outside

Quote:just seems that we'd be creating a liability in the middle just so Colvin can play outside

 

You could say the same about the outside.

 

The best guy can play only one spot at a time.  Wherever he isn't is worse off than where he is.

Quote:You could say the same about the outside.


The best guy can play only one spot at a time. Wherever he isn't is worse off than where he is.

ahh! perspective can be so refreshing

Quote:You could say the same about the outside.

 

The best guy can play only one spot at a time.  Wherever he isn't is worse off than where he is.

Yeah, but if a guy is much better on the outside than he is on the inside you are better off keeping him on the outside rather than creating a liability on the inside. There are different levels of being worse off. It's best to move people in order to absorb a small drop in play vs keeping them locked into a position creating a much larger drop at another spot.

 

Also the slot position is no longer considered a secondary receiver. There are teams now whose biggest threat is in the slot. I think people have an antiquated idea of how teams beat you in the passing game.

Quote:Yeah, but if a guy is much better on the outside than he is on the inside you are better off keeping him on the outside rather than creating a liability on the inside. There are different levels of being worse off. It's best to move people in order to absorb a small drop in play vs keeping them locked into a position creating a much larger drop at another spot.

 

Also the slot position is no longer considered a secondary receiver. There are teams now whose biggest threat is in the slot. I think people have an antiquated idea of how teams beat you in the passing game.

 

You can talk yourself out of the correct answer all you want.  That's your prerogative.

 

Colvin away from corner is like taking Boselli away from LT just because you want to get cute and fill a different position better.

 

It's why the coaches want to get him out there.

 

Just like Ronde Barber.  Corner on downs 1-2, slot on 3rd.

Quote:You can talk yourself out of the correct answer all you want.  That's your prerogative.

 

Colvin away from corner is like taking Boselli away from LT just because you want to get cute and fill a different position better.

 

It's why the coaches want to get him out there.

 

Just like Ronde Barber.  Corner on downs 1-2, slot on 3rd.

Colvin is no Boselli. I like Colvin, but let's not create some mythical disparity between Colvin and the rest of the CBs.

 

It's not about getting a single position better, it's about getting the group a a whole better.

 

If moving Boselli to C allows you to make your line as a whole better, then a coach would derelict of his duties not to make that switch in a heartbeat.

The quick video of some OTA highlights were pretty cool.


Allen Robinson........are you kidding me??? Dude looks ready to beast!

Quote:The quick video of some OTA highlights were pretty cool.


Allen Robinson........are you kidding me??? Dude looks ready to beast!

Looked like poor Nick Marshall was trying his best

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Also the slot position is no longer considered a secondary receiver. There are teams now whose biggest threat is in the slot. I think people have an antiquated idea of how teams beat you in the passing game.

 

This. ^ 

 

Colvin played nearly 80% of the defensive snaps in one of his games last season.  In the same way the RB is being devalued in certain systems, the Nickel is gaining importance in certain defenses.  Teams that run defenses that are as "secondary-centric" as the Carroll/Bradley model play quite a bit more nickel and dime.  The nickel DB gaining value is a current NFL trend IMO.  

 

While I'd have zero issue with Colvin being evaluated as the best option at one of the outside spots, I do understand where Bradley was coming from when he talked about Colvin's spatial awareness and ability to naturally react on the inside.  There are conceivably times when your third best corner isn't the best option at nickel. 

Quote:The quick video of some OTA highlights were pretty cool.


Allen Robinson........are you kidding me??? Dude looks ready to beast!

 

Those two catches were pretty sweet