Quote:Jake fisher continuing to blow up the combine. Love this kid. Highest vert of 32.5- the same vert that Dion Jordan did last year @248 lbs. Fisher is 306.
Only problem with that is that he won't be available for us in the second round now !
Quote:Jake fisher continuing to blow up the combine. Love this kid. Highest vert of 32.5- the same vert that Dion Jordan did last year @248 lbs. Fisher is 306.
He's making himself some money today.
Jesse James also made himself some money today, I was confident he'd be available in the 3rd round but there aren't too many 6'7 260+ LB athletes that run a 4.8 with a broad jump of 10'1, simply an incredible effort at that immense size. It wouldn't shock me if he's the first TE off the board with those numbers, he has big time upside as an inline TE.
Quote:Lol Vernon Gholston? He was a twinner like 6'3 266 and was all hype workout warrior
Williams is a 300 lb dude
Thats a good sized defensive end.
You want 300 pounders? Tony Mandarich and Brock Lesnar.
Quote:Thats a good sized defensive end.
You want 300 pounders? Tony Mandarich and Brock Lesnar.
No.
JJ Watt
You sound exactly like the folks here who were turning up their nose at him for the same "reason."
Need updates people. Let's keep this going for people unable to watch.
Quote:No.
JJ Watt
You sound exactly like the folks here who were turning up their nose at him for the same "reason."
Huh? What?
He said athletic 300 pounders can't bust and I was just listing a few who have...
How am I turning up my nose? And what in the world are you talking about with "reason?" I only listed some names... How do you find "reason" in a list of names? This is jw level stuff right here. Are you just looking to be butt hurt or what? Nobody is even talking about your son Mrs. Williams.
Quote:Huh? What?
He said athletic 300 pounders can't bust and I was just listing a few who have...
How am I turning up my nose? And what in the world are you talking about with "reason?" I only listed some names... How do you find "reason" in a list of names? This is jw level stuff right here. Are you just looking to be butt hurt or what? Nobody is even talking about your son Mrs. Williams.
Excuse me for pointing out you could be just as wrong as he.
Make no mistake about it, Williams is an elite prospect and will likely be taken in the first three picks. Yet they're all just that... prospects. Whether you agree or not, Planet Theory is something the NFL truly does follow.
You also illustrate the difference between grading/value and how that prospect's career actually turns out that most fans can't grasp.
Grading and value tell you where a player should be selected. Factored into that is their "guess" at whether or not he will pan out. However, no one comes with a guarantee that they'll live up to the pick.
Boy a guy that really interests me is Oregon tackle Jake Fisher. I liked him before based on what I'd read but after looking at his combine numbers I'm all for picking him up if we can trade back. I'd love him to be our Kyle Long. Good size, versatile, athletic, if we go rookie at RT I'd love for him to be the guy.
Continuing the Fisher lovefest with a 7.25 3 cone test which measures agility. Hell of a score. Thats Devon Kennard put up last year. Kennard is 249 lbs.
What a beast. Unofficial 5.01 40 with a 1.75 split.
I think he's going first among OL this year. What a dominant performance.
That being said, TJ Clemmings was with him metric by metric, but Fisher distanced himself in the drills. Fisher and Clemmings are both 1st round prospects.
Erving also made some money for himself. 9'4 broad jump is a great score. Sticking with the comparison to Kennard, that's 1 inch shorter than what he jumped- again at 249 lbs. Definately booked himself a Day 1 draft slot. Best interior lineman by far, with Flowers maybe falling to the 2nd round IMO.
The FSU guards looked and tested miserable. Matias may have had the worst broad jump in history.
Quote:Continuing the Fisher lovefest with a 7.25 3 cone test which measures agility. Hell of a score. Thats Devon Kennard put up last year. Kennard is 249 lbs.
What a beast. Unofficial 5.01 40 with a 1.75 split.
I think he's going first among OL this year. What a dominant performance.
That being said, TJ Clemmings was with him metric by metric, but Fisher distanced himself in the drills. Fisher and Clemmings are both 1st round prospects.
Erving also made some money for himself. 9'4 broad jump is a great score. Sticking with the comparison to Kennard, that's 1 inch shorter than what he jumped- again at 249 lbs. Definately booked himself a Day 1 draft slot. Best interior lineman by far, with Flowers maybe falling to the 2nd round IMO.
The FSU guards looked and tested miserable. Matias may have had the worst broad jump in history.
Lol
Quote:Because it annoys you like so many other things.
Actually I am not annoyed at all, just very confused.
Quote:Excuse me for pointing out you could be just as wrong as he.
Make no mistake about it, Williams is an elite prospect and will likely be taken in the first three picks. Yet they're all just that... prospects. Whether you agree or not, Planet Theory is something the NFL truly does follow.
You also illustrate the difference between grading/value and how that prospect's career actually turns out that most fans can't grasp.
Grading and value tell you where a player should be selected. Factored into that is their "guess" at whether or not he will pan out. However, no one comes with a guarantee that they'll live up to the pick.
The only thing I could possibly be wrong about is whether you can consider Gholston, Mandarich, and Lesnar busts. The only thing I said was that they were large, athletic men who busted.
Dispute that all you want.
These other arguments? I have no idea where you are conjuring them from. I haven't even commented on Williams.
Quote:Todd Gurley refused to have his injured knee examined at the combine.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...e-examined
Quote:Definitely unusual. Teams will request to examine his knee and his healing process sooner rather than later. No one is investing a high pick on a guy who won't let their medical team examine what they are getting into.
Matt Miller is a guy I like for draft info and he had this to say on Twitter.
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<p class="" style="font-size:26px;">If you have a knee injury here, doctors will crank it and torque it like crazy. Totally understand Gurley saying no.
Quote:Exciting though all these TE drills are, can you really see us drafting one in the second round if we've got Thomas/Clay in free agency ?
And Caldwells comments make it sound unlikely we'd draft any RB but Gurley and Gordon in the second round (probably rightly)
Why do so many people think it must be either/or? We have no tight ends on the roster worth keeping around except maybe Clay Harbor. So we absoluteky do need to get two tight ends in the offseason.
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Matt Miller is a guy I like for draft info and he had this to say on Twitter.
<b>Matt Miller</b> @nfldraftscout
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<p style="font-size:26px;">If you have a knee injury here, doctors will crank it and torque it like crazy. Totally understand Gurley saying no.
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I remember Lageman and Boselli was talking about this on the radio I think it was last week. They said basically you end up sore just from the examination. I was wondering if a player ever got injured from an examination the way they were talking.
Quote:I remember Lageman and Boselli was talking about this on the radio I think it was last week. They said basically you end up sore just from the examination. I was wondering if a player ever got injured from an examination the way they were talking.
Yeah after hearing that and reading what Matt Miller wrote Gurley's decision sounds like a smart one. If I remember right his surgery was only like 3 months ago.
Quote:I dont blame him, he tore his ACL 4 months ago, you know whats there, wait to it heals up better in 6 months right before the draft
All these teams are gonna do is put out misinformation and say his knee is terrible so he can fall to them in the draft, when he wants to go high as possible
It is a red flag. If you are unwilling to let a doctor examine your injured body part, teams are going to think something fishy is going on inside your head because this almost never happens. Teams are going to ask him during interviews why he declined an exam.
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But eventually he will have to go through all that anyway, so why not now to get it over with?
Some quality OL prospects gonnna fall not by virtue of their abilities, but due to the depth of this class.
Right now at tackle I see 2 1st rounders, possibly a 3rd. (Fisher, Clemmings, possibly Collins)
At guard I see 1 possibly 2 1st rounders as well: (Erving and Schreff)
That leaves us with potentially Flowers, Tomlinson, Marpet as inside options and Peat or Donovan Smith as 2nd round potentials who will likely be there...I'll give my takes on them:
Flowers: Great measurables, long arm, strong as hell. But really struggled in the protection drill- it was pretty ugly. Lots of ppl saying before he's a better guard, and I think its in the spotlight now. Excellent looking guard prospect that could play into the 1st round discussion (late) with a strong pro day.
Tomlinson: Excellent feet, looks really really explosive. Maybe the most explosive guard in this draft. Great attitude, tape is great, what more can you say? Fringe first/early second by virtue of this good class. I'd love him in our scheme.
Marpet: Didn't really know much about him so I'll reserve judgement
Peat: Everyone loves this kid, but I don't see it. Seems slow and stone footed- I'm not sure he's a better prospect than Joeckel at LT, and definately don't see him as a RT prospect.
Smith: Love this guy. Super athlete, fluid as hell and plays nasty on film. I thought he tested way better than what was on fil, so thats a bonus for him. RT of the future. Mammoth size too just great, and for him to test so high at that weight, what an athlete.
Gimme Flowers/Tomlinson or Smith and I'll do a cartwheel