Quote:So Jameis Winston said he is going to win the Super Bowl next year. Dude needs to be tested for drugs.
He did not say that.
Quote:"My job is to win games and, hopefully, win Super Bowls," Winston said. "This is not a competition between me and (Marcus) Mariota. One thing about me, I plan on winning the Super Bowl next year so it's going to be Jameis versus Peyton Manning, and Jameis versus Tom Brady."
You can "plan on" buying a house next year, but that means nothing when you can't sell your current home. All Winston said was he
wants to win the Super Bowl next year, not that he will.
Quote:Off the board for me is Nick O'Leary. Small hands and a slow 40 time are the last two things you want to see in a tight end.
I may stop thinking Dante Fowler is a reach at #3 after Florida's Pro Day, but for now I am still on the fence about that.
Why would you take O'Leary off the board? maybe drop
He's a gamer like Jarvis Landry last year, ran slow 40 but his tape is good and become one of the best rookie WRs, O'Leary has small hands but catches the ball clean, I bet he is gonna have a solid rookie year.
Quote:Why would you take O'Leary off the board? maybe drop
He's a gamer like Jarvis Landry last year, ran slow 40 but his tape is good and become one of the best rookie WRs, O'Leary has small hands but catches the ball clean, I bet he is gonna have a solid rookie year.
Take the red and gold glasses off, Mizzal. Look at the combine numbers of all tight ends who worked out today and tell me based on those alone where he ranks among the invited prospects.
I'm not big on O'Leary at all, but I wouldn't drop him very much by this combine. He was already expected to run the time he did. It wasn't like it was a D-II speedster clocking in with a slow time.
40 time, hand size, arm length.. All that jazz means jack squat.. If the kid can ball, which he can, I could care less how big his hands are. If he's there somewhere in the 3-4 rounds, take him..
Quote:I'm not big on O'Leary at all, but I wouldn't drop him very much by this combine. He was already expected to run the time he did. It wasn't like it was a D-II speedster clocking in with a slow time.
However when comparing him to other tight ends, it is impossible to disregard the slow 40 time.
Quote:However when comparing him to other tight ends, it is impossible to disregard the slow 40 time.
No, it's not.
40 times mean nothing. Especially for TEs.
Quote:However when comparing him to other tight ends, it is impossible to disregard the slow 40 time.
So you'd take Larry Fitzgerald off your board because he ran a slow 40 time? Everyone knew going into the combine that Larry Fitzgerald wasn't a burner and he shocked nobody by running a slow time. His stock didn't drop because of it. Elite speed wasn't part of his game and neither is it O'Leary's. If it was Eric Ebron running a 4.8 or 4.9, then he'd drop... But not freakin' Nick O'Leary.
Quote:No, it's not.
40 times mean nothing. Especially for TEs.
If that was true there would be no 40-yard dash drill.
It means a lot to receiving tight ends who rarely have to block.
Mike Mayock said he fully expected Nick O'Leary to run in the 4.7 range.
Quote:If that was true there would be no 40-yard dash drill.
It means a lot to receiving tight ends who rarely have to block.
Mike Mayock said he fully expected Nick O'Leary to run in the 4.7 range.
40 times don't equal good or bad football players. Joe Hayden ran a 4.6 as a CORNERBACK. Did cleavland find it " impossible to disregard " his 40 time?
How long have you been watching football? How do you not know this already?
Quote:40 times don't equal good or bad football players. Joe Haden ran a 4.6 as a CORNERBACK. Did Cleveland find it " impossible to disregard " his 40 time?
How long have you been watching football? How do you not know this already?
I am talking about a guy whose 40 time was 4.93 seconds - only five hundredths of a second faster than the fastest offensive lineman. Maxx Williams, everyone's favorite tight end, ran 40 yards in 4.77 seconds. Mike Mayock thinks 4.93 is very slow for a tight end and said that time is going to hurt Nick O'Leary in the draft.
Why do you mention a cornerback who ran a lot faster than anyone did today?
Quote:I am talking about a guy whose 40 time was 4.93 seconds - only five hundredths of a second faster than the fastest offensive lineman. Maxx Williams, everyone's favorite tight end, ran 40 yards in 4.77 seconds. Mike Mayock thinks 4.93 is very slow for a tight end and said that time is going to hurt Nick O'Leary in the draft.
Why do you mention a cornerback who ran a lot faster than anyone did today?
You need to Google the definition of impossible.
Quote:I am talking about a guy whose 40 time was 4.93 seconds - only five hundredths of a second faster than the fastest offensive lineman. Meanwhile Maxx Williams, everyone's favorite tight end, ran 40 yards in 4.77 seconds. So yes, it is impossible.
Lol ok?
I am talking about a top 5 CORNERBACK in the NFL that ran it in two hundredths of a second faster than a 340lb DT Dontari Poe.
Please. Stop.
Didn't see ur edit. I mention a corner to further emphasize how little 40 times mean. A CB that ran a 4.6, covering guys that run in the 4.3s, and he is one of the best at his position.
Again, how do you not know this by now?
Quote:If that was true there would be no 40-yard dash drill.
It means a lot to receiving tight ends who rarely have to block.
Mike Mayock said he fully expected Nick O'Leary to run in the 4.7 range.
You are so easily swayed it's not even funny.
NFL does the combine like this because people will sit there a watch it. O'Leary has really good hands even if they are small. He runs good routes which helps make up for the lack of speed. Speed isn't everything. Troy Williamson and Heyward-Bey say hi.
Go look at the TEs with the fastest 40s today. Should they be taken in the 1st round? I bet Jason Witten runs a slow 40. I doubt Gronk has an amazing 40 too.
Game tape is a much better indicator of the type of player someone is rather than the combine. It's why Matt Jones gets drafted in the first round and someone like Boldin falls.
O'Leary is as over rated as it comes. He's an average across the board TE. Nothing spectacular he's a decent blocker, decent hands, may score a TD or two here and there with a couple of hundred yards per season receiving wise. He would do fine as a TE#2 on the majority of NFL rosters but expecting anything more is straight homerism.
Edit: Lol I Google Nick O'Leary and this is what comes up:
Quote: Nick O'Leary is a steady, average-across-the-board tight end with polish and experience in a pro-style offense, but he's limited by smaller size and an overall lack of athleticism.
<a class="bbc_url" href='http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2015/2/5/7978921/nick-oleary-2015-nfl-draft-scouting-report'>http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2015/2/5/7978921/nick-oleary-2015-nfl-draft-scouting-report</a>
Quote:O'Leary is as over rated as it comes. He's an average across the board TE. Nothing spectacular he's a decent blocker, decent hands, may score a TD or two here and there with a couple of hundred yards per season receiving wise. He would do fine as a TE#2 on the majority of NFL rosters but expecting anything more is straight homerism.
I agree he's an average TE but it's not because he ran a 4.93 40 today.
Quote:I agree he's an average TE but it's not because he ran a 4.93 40 today.
My opinion has nothing to do with his 40 time. Albeit it sure didn't help improve his stock any. He's just a guy. Pete Mitchell-esque.
Quote:My opinion has nothing to do with his 40 time. Albeit it sure didn't help improve his stock any. He's just a guy. Pete Mitchell-esque.
I don't think anyone was talking about him being more than just a guy. Just that someone's 40 time won't dictate him having a good/bad career.
Quote:I don't think anyone was talking about him being more than just a guy. Just that someone's 40 time won't dictate him having a good/bad career.
J-Mizzal seems to have high hopes for him.
Quote:I don't think anyone was talking about him being more than just a guy. Just that someone's 40 time won't dictate him having a good/bad career.
Bingo.
If anything, when someone runs great 40 time, their value gets way over blown.