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Quote:I've admittedly been a bad fan lately.  Care to expound?

 

He worked with Jordan Palmer to improve his mechanics last year out in California.  He's back with Palmer again this off season to continue that process. 

Quote:So is Bortles going to hire a personal QB coach who will be with him at this camp?

 

Jordan Palmer is his personal QB coach.  He's the one who prepared him for his pro day, ran him through his paces at his pro day, and who continued to work with him on his mechanics last off season.  Palmer is out in CA, which is why Bortles is out there.  While he's working on his own mechanics, he'll be working with his receivers to develop some timing/chemistry.  Gotta like that.

Quote:More than any QB we've had since Brunell has done.

That remains to be seen. I hope he will become 'that' guy, but by the end of last season he was regressing badly in his throwing mechanics. I largely blame that on our o-line failing to give him reasonable pass protection. In my opinion, putting Bortles out there before we had a decent offensive line hurt his long term development and as a result, hurt the team. Putting a rookie quarterback behind a sieve of an offensive line is asking for trouble.

 

We had no realistic chances at all last season of being any good and should have left Henne out there if for no other reason than to protect our rookie franchise quarterback 'investment' until we actually had at least a reasonable o-line in front of him. It was a classic example of putting the cart in front of the horse situation. I would've thought we had learned that from our experience with Blaine Gabbert; he was a rookie with good attributes that got put behind a line that was a joke. The results were inevitable, as will be the results with Bortles if he doesn't get a decent line in front of him.

 

When Brunell was here, he had one of the best offensive lines in the game protecting him, a premier running back, and premier receivers. Plus Mark didn't come here a rookie. It's a substantially different situation for Bortles.

Quote:That remains to be seen. I hope he will become 'that' guy, but by the end of last season he was regressing badly in his throwing mechanics. I largely blame that on our o-line failing to give him reasonable pass protection. In my opinion, putting Bortles out there before we had a decent offensive line hurt his long term development and as a result, hurt the team. Putting a rookie quarterback behind a sieve of an offensive line is asking for trouble.

 

We had no realistic chances at all last season of being any good and should have left Henne out there if for no other reason than to protect our rookie franchise quarterback 'investment' until we actually had at least a reasonable o-line in front of him. It was a classic example of putting the cart in front of the horse situation. I would've thought we had learned that from our experience with Blaine Gabbert; he was a rookie with good attributes that got put behind a line that was a joke. The results were inevitable, as will be the results with Bortles if he doesn't get a decent line in front of him.

 

When Brunell was here, he had one of the best offensive lines in the game protecting him, a premier running back, and premier receivers. Plus Mark didn't come here a rookie. It's a substantially different situation for Bortles.

 

You're reading too much into my comment, which was admittedly vague.

 

This guy is putting this stuff together, by himself, as a leader, to prepare himself and teammates for battle together.

 

None of the previous QBs displayed that level of leadership, particularly so early in his career.  In fact, one was actually called out by the owner for not doing these kinds of things in the offseason.

 

The hope is that this is a positive impact on the W/L column.  Of course, that remains to be seen.  But this is something to be proud of at this point.  He's taking the reins, and not being asked to take them (nor is he taking them for granted.)

Quote:Justin Blackmon will be there.

 

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There's nothing preventing him from being in attendance.  I'd be surprised if he's NOT there. 

regardless of how tough people want bortles to seem, he's still human and you're flat out blind if you didn't see some forms of gabbert come out of him towards the end of last season.. happy feet, not going through his reads, just wanting to get rid of the ball, scared to get hit

 

I like bortles, I hope he's the man I really do, I just hope to God that we didn't ruin him 

 

the way he went through his reads, how quickly he got his feet set, the velocity he was throwing with.. from his first few starts to what we saw at the end it was like watching a prime brady turn into david carr

Quote:That remains to be seen. I hope he will become 'that' guy, but by the end of last season he was regressing badly in his throwing mechanics. I largely blame that on our o-line failing to give him reasonable pass protection. In my opinion, putting Bortles out there before we had a decent offensive line hurt his long term development and as a result, hurt the team. Putting a rookie quarterback behind a sieve of an offensive line is asking for trouble.

 

We had no realistic chances at all last season of being any good and should have left Henne out there if for no other reason than to protect our rookie franchise quarterback 'investment' until we actually had at least a reasonable o-line in front of him. It was a classic example of putting the cart in front of the horse situation. I would've thought we had learned that from our experience with Blaine Gabbert; he was a rookie with good attributes that got put behind a line that was a joke. The results were inevitable, as will be the results with Bortles if he doesn't get a decent line in front of him.

 

When Brunell was here, he had one of the best offensive lines in the game protecting him, a premier running back, and premier receivers. Plus Mark didn't come here a rookie. It's a substantially different situation for Bortles.

I will also add that a good part of this is due to having a defensive inclined head coach. Outside of Bortles, all of our 'big deals' were defensive players. The result... we had a poor offense that couldn't put points on the board even when they did make it to the 'red zone'. The results were inevitable. It seems like an offensive minded coach will tend to help build a more balanced team; at least, that's been my observation with this team. With TC, we were good on both offense and defense; but with JDR, we became one dimensional and then just plain bad.  

If Blackmon truly wants to clean up his act and really wants to get back with the club, he should be there..

Quote:You're reading too much into my comment, which was admittedly vague.

 

This guy is putting this stuff together, by himself, as a leader, to prepare himself and teammates for battle together.

 

None of the previous QBs displayed that level of leadership, particularly so early in his career.  In fact, one was actually called out by the owner for not doing these kinds of things in the offseason.

 

The hope is that this is a positive impact on the W/L column.  Of course, that remains to be seen.  But this is something to be proud of at this point.  He's taking the reins, and not being asked to take them (nor is he taking them for granted.)

 

Didn't Garrard host one of these "camps" during the lockout?  I thought he did something to pull together the offensive skill players.

Quote:You're reading too much into my comment, which was admittedly vague.

 

This guy is putting this stuff together, by himself, as a leader, to prepare himself and teammates for battle together.

 

None of the previous QBs displayed that level of leadership, particularly so early in his career.  In fact, one was actually called out by the owner for not doing these kinds of things in the offseason.

 

The hope is that this is a positive impact on the W/L column.  Of course, that remains to be seen.  But this is something to be proud of at this point.  He's taking the reins, and not being asked to take them (nor is he taking them for granted.)

So... as I said, that remains to be seen. Glad to see we're thinking alike Pirkster. Great minds always do.

Quote:regardless of how tough people want bortles to seem, he's still human and you're flat out blind if you didn't see some forms of gabbert come out of him towards the end of last season.. happy feet, not going through his reads, just wanting to get rid of the ball, scared to get hit

 

I like bortles, I hope he's the man I really do, I just hope to God that we didn't ruin him 

 

the way he went through his reads, how quickly he got his feet set, the velocity he was throwing with.. from his first few starts to what we saw at the end it was like watching a prime brady turn into david carr

Scared to get hit?  Do you even remember the Gabbert era?  The guy took a royal beating last year behind that line, but he wasn't curling up in the fetal position the way Gabbert did at times. 

Goobert, lol. 

Thanks, CS. Always nice to have a hardy laugh early in the day.

 

I'm loving the way Bortles is taking on his role.  I could easily be wrong, but I don't recall any Jag QB this active with his receivers this early in the season.

Quote:Didn't Garrard host one of these "camps" during the lockout?  I thought he did something to pull together the offensive skill players.

 

Now that you mention it, I believe he did.  But I also believe he was encouraged to do it.

Quote:Now that you mention it, I believe he did.  But I also believe he was encouraged to do it.

As I recall, it was more or less a publicity stunt that got a lot of local camera time to show what a leader Garrard was.  That worked out really well for him.

Quote:Scared to get hit?  Do you even remember the Gabbert era?  The guy took a royal beating last year behind that line, but he wasn't curling up in the fetal position the way Gabbert did at times. 

 

My head hurt after reading that.  Then, I realized it was likely a random QB gripe generator.  Same regurgitated empty buzzwords, etc.

 

He was fortunate to stay healthy, and talented enough to not be a turnover machine with all that pressure.  He had his share of INTs, but he protected the football under pressure for the most part.  Few fumbles given the circumstances.

Quote:My head hurt after reading that.  Then, I realized it was likely a random QB gripe generator.  Same regurgitated empty buzzwords, etc.

 

He was fortunate to stay healthy, and talented enough to not be a turnover machine with all that pressure.  He had his share of INTs, but he protected the football under pressure for the most part.  Few fumbles given the circumstances.

Watching Gabbert struggle was cringeworthy.  I didn't get the same feeling when I was watching Bortles.  Both struggled as rookies, but the vibe surrounding them after the fact was completely different.  Bortles has said and done all the things you want to see your young QB do.  Gabbert?  Not so much. 

Quote:As I recall, it was more or less a publicity stunt that got a lot of local camera time to show what a leader Garrard was.  That worked out really well for him.

 

It was at Atlantic Coast HS from what I remember. He was out there droppin' bombs to Jarret Dillard and Charles Sharon. Getting Ketchman all hot and bothered.

Quote:If Blackmon truly wants to clean up his act and really wants to get back with the club, he should be there..

Not necessarily. He's got to make sure his personal side of life is in order first. If he feels that way, or the people he's counted on to help him get that way (rehab, whatever family, etc), don't feel he's ready then he is better off not being there.

Quote:Not necessarily. He's got to make sure his personal side of life is in order first. If he feels that way, or the people he's counted on to help him get that way (rehab, whatever family, etc), don't feel he's ready then he is better off not being there.

Agreed, although from the fan's perspective, it sure would be nice to see him make an appearance.  It would speak volumes about where he is in that process if he showed up, but that's just me being a fan.

Quote:It was at Atlantic Coast HS from what I remember. He was out there droppin' bombs to Jarret Dillard and Charles Sharon. Getting Ketchman all hot and bothered.

Ah yes.  Good times.