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Jealousy is pouring out of you... Do you have a bucket to collect it all or do you just let it pool around your feet?

Quote:Jealousy is pouring out of you... Do you have a bucket to collect it all or do you just let it pool around your feet?

Jealousy? We're in the same boat, but my organization isn't headed by a classless drunkard and a caveman.

I think someone said something along these lines earlier in this thread or in another thread but it comes to mind in reflecting on the Colts 2014 team.

 

If the Colts had a below average starting NFL QB,   the 2014 Colts team probably would have been as bad or worse than the 2011 Colts team that only won two games.   

Quote:Jealousy is pouring out of you... Do you have a bucket to collect it all or do you just let it pool around your feet?

Why on Earth should we be jealous of the Colts? Khan and Co aren't just trying to win some games, but to actually build a consistent winner akin to New England and Seattle. I would never want a guy like Jim Irsay to be involved with the Jaguars in any capacity whatsoever. He's a depressed man who is dealing with serious personal, as well as psychological problems. He's an embarrassment to the Colts organization, the city of Indianapolis, and Colts fans like yourself. And whether Irsay is willing to admit it or not, we all know that the Colts tanked for Luck back in 2011. Without Luck you guys are in pretty much the same boat as we're in right now. Along with the Titans and Texans.

 

 

The Jaguars are in what some may call a "total rebuild". That means that everyone from the last few failed regimes was fired, players were released and traded, and we literally had to build from the ground up with a whole new roster of young, inexperienced players and coaches. Khan totally cleaned house. To put it all in perspective, it's basically a second franchise rebirth. We're at the same level as the 1995 Jags, 1996 Ravens, 1999 Browns, and 2002-2003 Texans were right now.

 

 

For many obvious reasons, very few professional sports teams have the guts to do what the Jags have done over the last 3 seasons. As it means having to deal with consistent back to back losing seasons, low TV ratings, and lack of fan support. The positive side though to a total rebuild is that it means that after having to deal with the constant losing, things will begin to turn around as you have a new and solid foundation with great coaching, stable ownership, and the team is now loaded top to bottom with great talent as a result of having high draft picks; as well as having saved up enough cap space to sign more talented players and coaches onto the team through trades and free agency.

 

 

I find it almost hypocritical that a Colts fan would accuse another fanbase of being "jealous" of their teams success, when 25 years ago, they had some of the worst teams in NFL history. In 1981 the Colts defense allowed an NFL record 533 points, and more then 6,793 yards allowed. As well as 8.19 yards per dropback. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Baltim...lts_season

 

 

 

The Seahawks and Patriots did the exact same thing as we're doing right now and look at where those teams are today; The Seahawks are on the verge of being the first back to back SB champs since the 03-04 Patriots, and the Pats are going to their 6th SB in the Brady-Bellichick era. Tom Brady and Bill Bellichick both have been to 6 Superbowls, 9 conference championships, 12 division titles, and 20 playoff wins. They have more playoff wins than 21 NFL franchises. That's unfathomable.

 

 

And all of that success that you see today, is because those teams were willing to start again and rebuild from the bottom up, and work their way to the top. Just like what the Jags are doing right now.

Quote:I think someone said something along these lines earlier in this thread or in another thread but it comes to mind in reflecting on the Colts 2014 team.


If the Colts had a below average starting NFL QB, the 2014 Colts team probably would have been as bad or worse than the 2011 Colts team that only won two games.

Their D held Bengals and Broncos to 10 and 13 points. The oline gave Luck great protection in the playoffs. This is a load of rubbish.They held other teams to less than 20 points in half their regular season games. This despite luck having the most or 2nd turnovers in the NFL. Also their receivers are hardly bad either.

Quote:Jealousy? We're in the same boat, but my organization isn't headed by a classless drunkard and a caveman.

 

So you're letting pool around your feet. I think you're about to drown in it.

Quote:So you're letting pool around your feet. I think you're about to drown in it.

You wish I was jealous. It'd give you some relief from that shameful performance yesterday. I refuse to bask in your misery.

45-7 in the AFCC, lol. That has to be pretty depressing for a clot fan.

The key to beating the Colts is stopping Ty Hilton. All their losses are when he was kept under control. Pats have done it perfectly twice this season.

Luck and Fleener need to spend more time on a boat like Romo and Witten.

LOL CLOT LOSERS!!! You lost to the best team in the AFC, you must be terrible! I'm so glad the jags weren't in the championship game like you guys were, we're better than that!

Quote:LOL CLOT LOSERS!!! You lost to the best team in the AFC, you must be terrible! I'm so glad the jags weren't in the championship game like you guys were, we're better than that!

We win the draft order though.

You gotta wonder which one of these noobs is TMD with a new IP address.

Quote:Their D held Bengals and Broncos to 10 and 13 points. The oline gave Luck great protection in the playoffs. This is a load of rubbish.They held other teams to less than 20 points in half their regular season games. This despite luck having the most or 2nd turnovers in the NFL. Also their receivers are hardly bad either.

 

The Bengals were playing w/o A.J. Green,  their top Offensive skill player,  Marvin Jones,  arguably their 2nd best WR,  and their top 2 TE's.   The Broncos were playing with a QB with a torn quad who repeatedly didn't connect on vertical passes that he completes rountinely when relatively healthy.   Against the Patriots ( twice ),  Steelers,  and Cowboys,  the Colts Defense was overmatched.  

 

 

 The Colts Offensive Line played better than I expected in the first two rounds of the playoffs.   Especially without RT Gosder Cherilus.   However,  when the Colts weren't tied or playing with a lead,   their pass protection is a major issue.   

 

 The Colts have some talent at the receiving skill positions.   But dropped passes are a major issue.   The Colts led the league in dropped passes this season.

 

 Here's a question to consider.   Of the other 11 playoff teams,  which team ( s ) would you say the Colts have a better roster than,  excluding the QB position?    For me,  the answer is possibly one team:  the Carolina Panthers.

You compared them to a 2 win team. If Andrew Luck played on the titans/raiders/jags I very much doubt he makes the playoffs.


They led the league in drops but also throw the ball the most so would expect them to have more drops.


Also he played pretty poorly if you look at the stats in 5 of his last 7 games. The only 2 good games he played was when his D held the opposition to 10 and he was game managing

Quote:You compared them to a 2 win team. If Andrew Luck played on the titans/raiders/jags I very much doubt he makes the playoffs.


They led the league in drops but also throw the ball the most so would expect them to have more drops.


Also he played pretty poorly if you look at the stats in 5 of his last 7 games. The only 2 good games he played was when his D held the opposition to 10 and he was game managing

 

 I compared them to the caliber of the 2011 Colts that played with a below average QB situation.    Those Colts didn't win more than 2 games despite having Dwight Freeney,   Robert Mathis,  and a younger Reggie Wayne.  

 

These Colts have some good players but how many of the current Colts players do you think are the type of players that their organization will want to make it a priority to keep until their early 30's barring a career altering injury?    I think the number is smaller than it would be for most teams around the NFL. 

 

 If Andrew Luck was on any of the teams you mentioned,   at the very least I think those teams would have won a few more games.    Blake Bortles has major upside potential but as a rookie in on an Offense with very few veteran players,   Bortles was in a very difficult situation.  

Those Colts are a bit of an anomaly, there's a reason Curtis Painter isn't on a team. In fact they started winning when playing with Orlovsky who certainly isnt a world beater.


I agree that while Luck has reached a good level, him carrying a team on his back is bit of a myth. Again outside the AFC south they were 5-5. Once the AFC south improves I don't consider them any sure thing to win division titles, they are just taking advantage of an awful division.

Quote:Those Colts are a bit of an anomaly, there's a reason Curtis Painter isn't on a team. In fact they started winning when playing with Orlovsky who certainly isnt a world beater.


I agree that while Luck has reached a good level, him carrying a team on his back is bit of a myth. Again outside the AFC south they were 5-5. Once the AFC south improves I don't consider them any sure thing to win division titles, they are just taking advantage of an awful division.

 

My guess is the Colts would have probably won 4 to 5 games if they went with Dan Orlovsky all season long in 2011.    If Orlovsky was the Colts starting QB all 16 games in 2014,  I think the Colts would have probably won around 4 to 5 games.     I think Andrew Luck is worth 6 to 7 more wins for the Colts,  compared to a QB like Orlovsky.    This is assuming the same schedule.

 

If the Colts roster doesn't improve significantly,   I agree with you that they are in trouble when the AFC South noticeably improves.  

Quote:We win the draft order though.

For like the 10th year running. We should have banners to intimidate the opposition.

Quote:Holy crap. All you are missing is consistent QB play? Well damn, that is easy to find!

It's not easy to find, but it can be found. Anything is a improvement over Fitzpatrick.