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Quote:This is hilarious

 

I hate piling on, but you know its at least partially true.  Sure its coming from a team that has been bad for a long time, but does that make it untrue?  Peyton Manning had/has a knack for falling apart in the playoffs, and the Colts haven't done very well in the past few years either.  I'm not piling on, its the truth.  You continuously point out that just because a bad football teams fans are pointing it out that its funny.  It's funny to us because its true.

 

When you add to the fact that they are going to have to pony up a boat load of money to keep Andrew Luck...it's going to get interesting for you guys.

Quote:I hate piling on, but you know its at least partially true.  Sure its coming from a team that has been bad for a long time, but does that make it untrue?  Peyton Manning had/has a knack for falling apart in the playoffs, and the Colts haven't done very well in the past few years either.  I'm not piling on, its the truth.  You continuously point out that just because a bad football teams fans are pointing it out that its funny.  It's funny to us because its true.

 

When you add to the fact that they are going to have to pony up a boat load of money to keep Andrew Luck...it's going to get interesting for you guys.

I agree, it is partially true, but there is more to it than just " Manning has a knack for falling apart in the playoffs." 

 

Remember when Brady was out for most of the season and NE with Cassel at QB still finished with 11 wins? It showed that due to good coaching and a solid overall team, a good team can withstand the loss of a good/great QB. When Manning was out for the season, the Colts won only 2 games. It was mostly due to Manning's brilliance that the Colts made it to the post season. He would drag a team to the playoffs and the team would not be able to stand up to the competition-- that includes Manning. But again, they wouldn't be there if not for him.

 

Lastly, the Colts with Luck are 3-3 in the playoffs. That's not bad considering it took Manning 6 years to get his first playoff win. 

Quote:I hate piling on, but you know its at least partially true.  Sure its coming from a team that has been bad for a long time, but does that make it untrue?  Peyton Manning had/has a knack for falling apart in the playoffs, and the Colts haven't done very well in the past few years either.  I'm not piling on, its the truth.  You continuously point out that just because a bad football teams fans are pointing it out that its funny.  It's funny to us because its true.

 

When you add to the fact that they are going to have to pony up a boat load of money to keep Andrew Luck...it's going to get interesting for you guys.

 

Actually, for the bolded part I'm not sure I've ever said that.

 

It's also completely untrue. Colts have improved EVERY year with Luck under center. We were in the AFCCG last year 

 

It's also hilarious when pirkster said he should have multiple rings by now. LOL

Quote:I agree, it is partially true, but there is more to it than just " Manning has a knack for falling apart in the playoffs." 

 

Remember when Brady was out for most of the season and NE with Cassel at QB still finished with 11 wins? It showed that due to good coaching and a solid overall team, a good team can withstand the loss of a good/great QB. When Manning was out for the season, the Colts won only 2 games. It was mostly due to Manning's brilliance that the Colts made it to the post season. He would drag a team to the playoffs and the team would not be able to stand up to the competition-- that includes Manning. But again, they wouldn't be there if not for him.

 

Lastly, the Colts with Luck are 3-3 in the playoffs. That's not bad considering it took Manning 6 years to get his first playoff win. 

 

The Pats won 16 games the year before with Brady so they were -5 wins without Brady and they had the easiest schedule that year with Cassel only playing 1 team that was above .500 i believe which was the Dolphins and they split with them and lost the division to them.  That said the Pats are still coached very well

Quote:Actually, for the bolded part I'm not sure I've ever said that.

 

It's also completely untrue. Colts have improved EVERY year with Luck under center. We were in the AFCCG last year 

 

It's also hilarious when pirkster said he should have multiple rings by now. LOL

 

People on this board hate when outsiders come here and give their opinion, most likely because its more of the national perception than anything.  It's typically closer to the truth that we would ever like to consider.

 

In my opinion, watching the Colts....you are further from a Super Bowl team than you can see for yourself.  You are missing the big playmakers that other teams have.  You're team is good enough to make the playoffs, contend for the AFC title...but at this point I don't see them getting over the hump to beat the elite teams in the AFC. 

 

I'm not saying this to make you made or as a callous Jags fan.  Just my opinion on a pure football basis.

 

On the flip side....I think everyone is a bit cautious as to where the Jags are going with Caldwell/Gus are leading the team.  At this point it can go either way.  It all comes down to Bortles and how the free agents/draft picks do in the next couple years.

Quote:People on this board hate when outsiders come here and give their opinion, most likely because its more of the national perception than anything.  It's typically closer to the truth that we would ever like to consider.

 

In my opinion, watching the Colts....you are further from a Super Bowl team than you can see for yourself.  You are missing the big playmakers that other teams have.  You're team is good enough to make the playoffs, contend for the AFC title...but at this point I don't see them getting over the hump to beat the elite teams in the AFC. 

 

I'm not saying this to make you made or as a callous Jags fan.  Just my opinion on a pure football basis.

 

On the flip side....I think everyone is a bit cautious as to where the Jags are going with Caldwell/Gus are leading the team.  At this point it can go either way.  It all comes down to Bortles and how the free agents/draft picks do in the next couple years.

 

I have NO problem with people (like you) who respectfully give their opinion. Which you did. I believe you in your fact you don't think the Colts are a Super Bowl team. There are other people on here, I don't even have to name because it's obvious, just post things just to post them. ALWAYS dogging the Colts. From small move to big move.

 

I think the Colts are pieces away, too (S, DL help, OL help, RB). However, with a QB like Luck we'll be in the discussion every year and rightfully so.

I hate the clots as much as the next guy, but we have to face reality.


The clots are still the best team in the division and will be until we start to beat then consistently.


also, luck played 2 very good payoff games this year before getting knocked off by the cheaters.


Those two games can be seen as a trend in terms of his playoff performance. That's just the reality.

Quote:I hate the clots as much as the next guy, but we have to face reality.


The clots are still the best team in the division and will be until we start to beat then consistently.


also, luck played 2 very good payoff games this year before getting knocked off by the cheaters.


Those two games can be seen as a trend in terms of his playoff performance. That's just the reality.

 

Hate to admit it, but you are right on both counts.    While I don't think luck has lived up to all of the hype he is still an above average QB.  The colts need to shore up their D if they want to take the next step.  I hope they don't.  LOL

Wow, this thread still has life? The Colts are are still bad, I guess? I can't believe Jags fans are actually making this argument. If they are bad, what are we? I'm trying to remember the last time we won the AFCS. Oh, that's right, that would be never. I wish we could be as bad as the Colts.

I'll say I'm just not worried about playing the clots like when they had manning

Quote:I'll say I'm just not worried about playing the clots like when they had manning

 

I've seen a couple Jags fans say this and it makes me chuckle....

 

What is this based on?

 

The Colts with Luck are 5-1 against the Jags (the first game being his only loss), and are averaging +18 points against the Jags. That's 3 scores. That's the average.

 

I think this opinion by some Jags fans is more of a false belief.

Quote:I've seen a couple Jags fans say this and it makes me chuckle....

 

What is this based on?

 

The Colts with Luck are 5-1 against the Jags (the first game being his only loss), and are averaging +18 points against the Jags. That's 3 scores. That's the average.

 

I think this opinion by some Jags fans is more of a false belief.

 

the jaguars have been terrible since the acquisition of luck. is that what youre going to hang your hat on?

Quote:I've seen a couple Jags fans say this and it makes me chuckle....

 

What is this based on?

 

The Colts with Luck are 5-1 against the Jags (the first game being his only loss), and are averaging +18 points against the Jags. That's 3 scores. That's the average.

 

I think this opinion by some Jags fans is more of a false belief.

Also, people weren't too worried about playing Manning in his first three years. When fans think of Manning, they think of him in his prime, yet Luck and the current Colts haven't reached their prime (only 3 years) but are consistently compared to the all-time great Manning and the decade long dominant Colts. 

Quote:Also, people weren't too worried about playing Manning in his first three years. When fans think of Manning, they think of him in his prime, yet Luck and the current Colts haven't reached their prime (only 3 years) but are consistently compared to the all-time great Manning and the decade long dominant Colts. 

 

thats actually a pretty good point. at this point in time though, definitely stands true that id be more worried about manning in his prime than luck now ahah

Quote:I've seen a couple Jags fans say this and it makes me chuckle....

 

What is this based on?

 

The Colts with Luck are 5-1 against the Jags (the first game being his only loss), and are averaging +18 points against the Jags. That's 3 scores. That's the average.

 

I think this opinion by some Jags fans is more of a false belief.

 

 

It's not even close to a false belief, but we can't really expect you to understand.

 

When Manning was in his prime, the Colts were nearly unbeatable and that was with a much better Jags team then this current one.

 

The Jags got them a couple of times, one being the 59yd last second FG, but overall, Manning in his prime just owned us in the win/loss column.

 

We feel that if we just switched current Luck for prime Manning, the Jags definitely would have had a better win/loss record vs the Colts then they had with Manning, with those better Jags teams.

 

The Jags knew what was coming from Manning and still couldn't stop it.

 

Luck just isn't anywhere near that nearly unbeatable prime Manning level yet and that in itself gives us some hope for the future, but of course the Jags will have to do their part and get better, which unfortunately has not been the case since Luck has been in the league.

Quote:the jaguars have been terrible since the acquisition of luck. is that what youre going to hang your hat on?

 

...Yes....

 

Because that's exactly what you guys are "hanging your hat on"

 

 

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Quote:I'll say I'm just not worried about playing the clots like when they had manning

These days, I'm worried when we play any team. It's doubtful any Colts fans feel the same way.

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Why??

 

Trolls are fun to feed. They have very little bite and practically no teeth.

 

All they can really do is insult your intelligence.

Quote:...Yes....


Because that's exactly what you guys are "hanging your hat on"



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All anyone here is saying is that the colts aren't that great. You are using the colts having a good record against the jags with luck as a point of pride.


That's like boasting about beating a 5 year old in a game of basketball.