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Caldwell is better than Gene but thats like being the less pretty vomit. 

Quote:Yawn.  I respect a dissenting opinion, but you are just bashing for the hell of it now.  

 

2013's draft has a few question marks, but if Cyprien and Joeckel get on track, it's a very good draft. 

2014 is looking like a flippin' grand slam.  

 

Looking at this list, I don't remember the last time I saw a Jags GM bring in that much young talent in a two year span.  Even if three or four of these guys don't become starters or important contributors. 

 

Luke Joeckel

Jonathan Cyprien 

Denard Robinson

Demetrius McCray

Abry Jones

Blake Bortles

Marqise Lee

Allen Robinson

Brandon Linder

Aaron Colvin

Telvin Smith

Allen Hurns

If means they are not there.  Cyprien has looked bad this whole year and Joeckle has been treated like Ray Rice's wife on the field. 

 

I did not say he has not hit on some good players but has also seem to miss on otheres.  Joeckle has not played like a 1st round pick either has cyprien.  Gratz is bi polar.  The team has won 2 games so lets not argue they are good or anything.  Again your another one basing things off of potential.  Because if we are judging by the current roster most of those guys would not start for decent NFL teams.  Lets get real here. 

Quote:If means they are not there.  Cyprien has looked bad this whole year and Joeckle has been treated like Ray Rice's wife on the field. 

 

I did not say he has not hit on some good players but has also seem to miss on otheres.  Joeckle has not played like a 1st round pick either has cyprien.  Gratz is bi polar.  The team has won 2 games so lets not argue they are good or anything.  Again your another one basing things off of potential.  Because if we are judging by the current roster most of those guys would not start for decent NFL teams.  Lets get real here. 

 

 

You said he's having a hard time finding talent in the draft. I strongly disagree.  Of course that's based off of potential. LOL.  He's only had two drafts.  That didn't stop you from saying he's bad at it  - and it doesn't stop me from saying he's good at it. 

 

And, yes,  let's get real here…. seven of those guys would start on over half the teams in the league. 

Quote:You said he's having a hard time finding talent in the draft. I strongly disagree.  Of course that's based off of potential. LOL.  He's only had two drafts.  That didn't stop you from saying he's bad at it  - and it doesn't stop me from saying he's good at it. 

 

And, yes,  let's get real here…. seven of those guys would start on over half the teams in the league. 

Ok Ray Charles.  They start for the Jags because we lack talent.  Right now this team totally sucks.  We have won 6 games in the last 2 seasons.  Judging by the job he has done so far he is bad.  I am saying he has done a bad job at building this football team.  The only thing we can do now is hope these young players pan out.  When we spent the entire 1st half of the draft on offense and are now dead last in almost every offensive category that is a problem.  He was also all aboard Henne Starting as well

Quote:Ok Ray Charles.  They start for the Jags because we lack talent.  Right now this team totally sucks.  We have won 6 games in the last 2 seasons.  Judging by the job he has done so far he is bad.  I am saying he has done a bad job at building this football team.  The only thing we can do now is hope these young players pan out.  When we spent the entire 1st half of the draft on offense and are now dead last in almost every offensive category that is a problem.  He was also all aboard Henne Starting as well

 

So we're not talking about finding talent in the draft anymore?  That was the subject, remember?  

 

I don't think he's bad. I think he's taking a long-term approach by building through the draft and it takes time to show up on the W/L record. 

You don't have the capacity to allow time for the young players to develop. I'm more patient.  

You mention spending this year's picks on offense and then whine about being ranked poorly on offense.  But I'm Ray Charles. OK. That's funny to me.   

 

Whatever.  Bash away. I'll gonna go on being the idiot who's excited about Caldwell's additions doing good things in the years to come. 

Quote:Ok Ray Charles.  They start for the Jags because we lack talent.  Right now this team totally sucks.  We have won 6 games in the last 2 seasons.  Judging by the job he has done so far he is bad.  I am saying he has done a bad job at building this football team.  The only thing we can do now is hope these young players pan out.  When we spent the entire 1st half of the draft on offense and are now dead last in almost every offensive category that is a problem.  He was also all aboard Henne Starting as well

 

I think it's safe to say that everyone in here is disappointed in the Jags record of 6-23 since Dave and Gus got here.

 

This seasons 2-11 record is just atrocious and as you stated, the Jags are nearly dead last in almost every offensive category.

 

Gus and Jedd have been out coached in just about every game this season.

 

I truly believe that with a more experienced/better head coach and a really good OC, that the Jags would have a better record (with this exact same team) then they do right now. I really believe that.

 

I am not saying this team would be in the playoffs or anything, but I am saying that with an experienced/better HC and OC they would definitely have more then just 2 wins at this time.

 

Unfortunately, we will never know if that is true or not.

 

There is some talent on the Jags and I just don't think it is getting maximized to it's full potential by this current coaching staff.

 

Under Gus and company, I just see this team making the same mistakes over and over and over again, especially missed tackles and being out of position where the opponent is wide open.

 

I know the team is very young, but still, I would like to think that the coaches could have found a way to cut down on some of those mistakes they keep making every game.

 

How many more games with "missed opportunities" will they continue to have until they actually start to cut down on those "missed opportunities" and capitalize on them? How many?

Quote:So we're not talking about finding talent in the draft anymore?  That was the subject, remember?  

 

I don't think he's bad. I think he's taking a long-term approach by building through the draft and it takes time to show up on the W/L record. 

You don't have the capacity to allow time for the young players to develop. I'm more patient.  

You mention spending this year's picks on offense and then whine about being ranked poorly on offense.  But I'm Ray Charles. OK. That's funny to me.   

 

Whatever.  Bash away. I'll gonna go on being the idiot who's excited about Caldwell's additions doing good things in the years to come. 

 

Not that they're really comparable, but at this point I'd have to assert that Caldwell has done a better job with his area of responsibility than Bradley has with his. What is jaguarmvp's view on Bradley? Is he giving him a mulligan?

Quote:I think it's safe to say that everyone in here is disappointed in the Jags record of 6-23 since Dave and Gus got here.

 

This seasons 2-11 record is just atrocious and as you stated, the Jags are nearly dead last in almost every offensive category.

 

Gus and Jedd have been out coached in just about every game this season.

 

I truly believe that with a more experienced/better head coach and a really good OC, that the Jags would have a better record (with this exact same team) then they do right now. I really believe that.

 

I am not saying this team would be in the playoffs or anything, but I am saying that with an experienced/better HC and OC they would definitely have more then just 2 wins at this time.

 

Unfortunately, we will never know if that is true or not.

 

There is some talent on the Jags and I just don't think it is getting maximized to it's full potential by this current coaching staff.

 

Under Gus and company, I just see this team making the same mistakes over and over and over again, especially missed tackles and being out of position where the opponent is wide open.

 

I know the team is very young, but still, I would like to think that the coaches could have found a way to cut down on some of those mistakes they keep making every game.

 

How many more games with "missed opportunities" will they continue to have until they actually start to cut down on those "missed opportunities" and capitalize on them? How many?

Yes, Bradley is not a good coach and is hindering this team. Somehow he gets a pass on hurting the team when he's the reason the team is hurting. Makes no sense.

Quote:Yes, Bradley is not a good coach and is hindering this team. Somehow he gets a pass on hurting the team when he's the reason the team is hurting. Makes no sense.

 

The real question is how long will Caldwell/Khan keep him as HC if he gets off to another bad start next season, which is a real possibility, judging from what I have seen these past 2 seasons?

Quote:The real question is how long will Caldwell/Khan keep him as HC if he gets off to another bad start next season, which is a real possibility, judging from what I have seen these past 2 seasons?

He'll get the whole year. This is Jacksonville, they can try the people of the city like that and get away with it. They are trying to improve the team but it's really no incentive to hurry and make a champion down here. It'll happen when it happens and if it doesn't they'll tear it down and start over.

Quote:He'll get the whole year. This is Jacksonville, they can try the people of the city like that and get away with it. They are trying to improve the team but it's really no incentive to hurry and make a champion down here. It'll happen when it happens and if it doesn't they'll tear it down and start over.

How is that different than any other team? The only teams that hurry are the ones that usually sell the barn to get 'the last few pieces' then send themselves down to the cellar for years.


Most try to build for long term success, which unfortunately takes time.

Quote:The real question is how long will Caldwell/Khan keep him as HC if he gets off to another bad start next season, which is a real possibility, judging from what I have seen these past 2 seasons?

 

I really think if they got a new coach this off season that the team can make strides next year.  The young talent is maturing but we need a staff that can truly prepare them for the season, prepare them for games better, game plan better and manage in games better.

Quote:I really think if they got a new coach this off season that the team can make strides next year.  The young talent is maturing but we need a staff that can truly prepare them for the season, prepare them for games better, game plan better and manage in games better.

 

It would have to be the right head coach.

 

If they hired the wrong head coach, the Jags might not be much better off then they are right now.

 

I have no doubt that Gus will be here next year for his 3rd season, but I'm not really sure what would be considered REALISTIC progress? 6 wins? 7 wins? Dare I say 5 wins? I just don't know?

 

I like Gus, but at some point, as a HC, you have to win or you will be an ex head coach looking for a new team.

Quote:So we're not talking about finding talent in the draft anymore?  That was the subject, remember?  

 

I don't think he's bad. I think he's taking a long-term approach by building through the draft and it takes time to show up on the W/L record. 

You don't have the capacity to allow time for the young players to develop. I'm more patient.  

You mention spending this year's picks on offense and then whine about being ranked poorly on offense.  But I'm Ray Charles. OK. That's funny to me.   

 

Whatever.  Bash away. I'll gonna go on being the idiot who's excited about Caldwell's additions doing good things in the years to come. 

We are talking about Caldwells job on building this team.  Building a 6-23 team is hardley an impressive resume.  People were real patient with Gene and saw where that went.  The most important stat is winning and this team just can't do that.  At this point in job he has done a very lackluster job.  Also us being near the top in salary cap is down right wrong when you look at the holes on this team. 

The million dollar question is it the chicken or the egg or both?

 

Is Caldwell failing to get Bradley enough talent?

 

Is  Bradley failing at coaching?

 

Do they both stink?

 

This team has been horrendous the past 4 years and it's time for some success.

Quote:The million dollar question is it the chicken or the egg or both?

 

Is Caldwell failing to get Bradley enough talent?

 

Is  Bradley failing at coaching?

 

Do they both stink?

 

This team has been horrendous the past 4 years and it's time for some success.

 

You're right and the more I look at the games the more I believe in Caldwell and not Bradley.

 

I rewatched every play on Game Rewind from Sunday and the O Line did not lose this game for us.  BB did not lose this game for us (yes his INT was dumb). 

 

I really think the offensive game planning, individual plays, and in game adjutsment have got to be better.  In the first half the Texans rushed 5-6 guys on nearly every play and the O Line did pretty darn decent (not great but certainly not bad).  The problem I noticed is that Fisch isn't helping receivers get open.  Too many routes are simply vertical without enough crossing, or exposing zones and 1on1 matchups.  Fisch has been somewhat clever with screens but that is about it.  I also never saw BB check to a hot route even when 6-7 guys were coming.  Granted, some of this is probably on BB not recognizing who's blitzing but I certaily think Fisch could be doing better here in preparing BB and giving him options.  Why don't the Jags run a hurry up, get to the line and bluff so the defense tips their hands?

 

Shorts needs to be benched, he is loafing out there while Lee is hustling like a baller.  Lee and Hurns need to be given max reps in every game.  Shoot, put Streeter out there too and see what the kid has.  It's also unfortunate we don't have a TE of the future because it'd be nice for them to be developing right now as well.

Fisch stinks and our safeties stink. I think we can take that to the bank. Our LB's are average but young.