Quote:I do know that is a damned if you do, damned if you don't type situation.
This is how I see it.
The only outcome where Bradley doesn't get fried is if Scobee makes that FG. Our trust in Blake notwithstanding, there are simply too many things that could have gone horrifically wrong on the offensive side of the ball to unquestionably warranting attempting another play. I personally would have liked to have seen us take another shot. Don't get it twisted...I sat on the edge of my bed thinking "Run another play and get this FG attempt inside the 50."
In retrospect, however, I completely understand why Bradley "settled" for the 55 yarder. Do I like it? <Expletive> No!! Do I understand why? Yes.
It's one thing or the other.
Quote:This is how I see it.
The only outcome where Bradley doesn't get fried is if Scobee makes that FG.
Thats not true.
If Bradley calls another play, its gains the 7 yards and then attempts a 48 yarder and Scobee still misses it, thats on Scobee at that point, not Bradley. Bradley would have done everything correct in that drive up until that point.
Even if Bradley calls another play and it gets picked off or a penalty happens, you couldn't blame Bradley at that point for making the decision that made the most sense.
As said, to kick the ball immediately with 12 seconds left and still on 3rd down with the kick being a 55 yard attempt at that point was the absolute worst option.
Bradley comes off as clueless.
Don't confuse the decision with the outcome.
Decisions can be sound with bad outcomes and vice versa.
Had scobee made the 55 yd FG, it still would have been a bad decision even with a good outcome.
Had we gotten 10 more yards and missed a 45 yd FG, it would have been a good decision with a bad outcome.
Quote:Don't confuse the decision with the outcome.
Decisions can be sound with bad outcomes and vice versa.
Had scobee made the 55 yd FG, it still would have been a bad decision even with a good outcome.
Had we gotten 10 more yards and missed a 45 yd FG, it would have been a good decision with a bad outcome.
YES! thank you!
That decision would STILL have been a clueless one, even had Scobee bailed him out with a successful field goal there. Bad decisions are still bad decisions.
Quote:Don't confuse the decision with the outcome.
Decisions can be sound with bad outcomes and vice versa.
Had scobee made the 55 yd FG, it still would have been a bad decision even with a good outcome.
Had we gotten 10 more yards and missed a 45 yd FG, it would have been a good decision with a bad outcome.
Had we taken a sack on that play and the clock runs out that would've been a bad decision and a bad outcome.
Quote:Had we taken a sack on that play and the clock runs out that would've been a bad decision and a bad outcome.
No, you have to separate the decision from the outcome. Whether a decision is good does not depend on what happens. Now, if you're saying that it would have been a bad decision even if we had a good outcome (i.e. 10 yards and a 45 yd FG made by Scobee), then I can accept your argument.
Quote:Had we taken a sack on that play and the clock runs out that would've been a bad decision and a bad outcome.
Nope. It would have been the correct decision, but a bad outcome/ bad execution.
Quote:You're absolutely correct. It had nothing to do with Hurns falling on the INT, or Shorts fumbling on the previous drive, or Todman not holding onto a pass that hit him right in the hands.
None of that mattered.
As regards to hurns falling on the int I'm not so sure how much that had to do with it, he was well past where the ball was thrown to and the receiver jumped the route which he probably would of anyway even if hurns was up battling, to me that was a bad throw by bortles, another case of him staring down receivers, but rookie error, to be expected.
Oh and once again, 100% the right choice to kick there.
Quote:Don't confuse the decision with the outcome.
Decisions can be sound with bad outcomes and vice versa.
Had scobee made the 55 yd FG, it still would have been a bad decision even with a good outcome.
Had we gotten 10 more yards and missed a 45 yd FG, it would have been a good decision with a bad outcome.
You know what...I admit to not looking at it like that.
sack, penalty, fumble, tackle inbounds
All of these are against you to try and pick up a couple of yards. Any one of them would have essentially ended the game.
It was 100% the correct play and any heach coach that has ever stepped onto a football field will tell you the same. If you disagree then you don't understand football, its that simple. Dont get mad at this fact, instead try to actually understand this hobby you have chosen.
Quote:sack, penalty, fumble, tackle inbounds
All of these are against you to try and pick up a couple of yards. Any one of them would have essentially ended the game.
It was 100% the correct play and any heach coach that has ever stepped onto a football field will tell you the same. If you disagree then you simply don't understand football, its that simple. Dont get mad at this fact, instead try to actually understand this hobby you have chosen.
Every head coach ever? I've seen it plenty of times called the other way. 75% of the time it seems like the team picks up 5-10 yards. 25% of the time it seems like it is an incomplete pass. I can't recall a similar situation that has any of these bad outcomes happen. I think I might remember that.
Quote:Every head coach ever? I've seen it plenty of times called the other way. 75% of the time it seems like the team picks up 5-10 yards. 25% of the time it seems like it is an incomplete pass. I can't recall a similar situation that has any of these bad outcomes happen. I think I might remember that.
Give us one example of a similar situation.
Quote:With a 3 man rush? Then it's your qbs fault. You line up for a hail Mary and throw it short and run out of bounds
Yes... Because professionals would have totally fallen for a fake hail mary attempt that is within our kicker's effective range...
Quote:Give us one example of a similar situation.
I'd give you the same challenge, but to find specific examples of this would be darned hard. Maybe some googlers can find it, but I won't find you specific examples. That said, I've watched a TON of football and do know that a great majority of coaches would try to get the extra yards because I have seen that many many times.
Quote:I'd give you the same challenge, but to find specific examples of this would be darned hard. Maybe some googlers can find it, but I won't find you specific examples. That said, I've watched a TON of football and do know that a great majority of coaches would try to get the extra yards because I have seen that many many times.
Thats exactly why he's asking you to give him an example. Its their tact.
We've both seen similar situations over the years and coaches will continue to go for more yards until either they reach a reasonable distance (inside 50 yards) or there is only time enough for the field goal attempt.
I can honestly say that I really cannot remember an instance of a recent NFL head coach handling the situation (bungling it) as bad as Bradley did there.
Quote:Thats exactly why he's asking you to give him an example. Its their tact.
We've both seen similar situations over the years and coaches will continue to go for more yards until either they reach a reasonable distance (inside 50 yards) or there is only time enough for the field goal attempt.
I can honestly say that I really cannot remember an instance of a recent NFL head coach handling the situation (bungling it) as bad as Bradley did there.
So both of you have nothing to back it up, but its happened oh soo many times before. ROFL
It was 100% the correct call. If you disagree then you don't understand football(something you have proven to this board time and time again)
Quote:I'd give you the same challenge, but to find specific examples of this would be darned hard. Maybe some googlers can find it, but I won't find you specific examples. That said, I've watched a TON of football and do know that a great majority of coaches would try to get the extra yards because I have seen that many many times.
Quote:Thats exactly why he's asking you to give him an example. Its their tact.
We've both seen similar situations over the years and coaches will continue to go for more yards until either they reach a reasonable distance (inside 50 yards) or there is only time enough for the field goal attempt.
I can honestly say that I really cannot remember an instance of a recent NFL head coach handling the situation (bungling it) as bad as Bradley did there.
Then it shouldn't be that hard to find an example.
He was the one that said "75% of the time it seems like the team picks up 5-10 yards. 25% of the time it seems like it is an incomplete pass."
Surely it cannot be that difficult to come up with one.
Quote:Thats exactly why he's asking you to give him an example. Its their tact.
And yes. Asking someone for facts is part of our "tact".
Quote:Then it shouldn't be that hard to find an example.
He was the one that said "75% of the time it seems like the team picks up 5-10 yards. 25% of the time it seems like it is an incomplete pass."
Surely it cannot be that difficult to come up with one.
Dude, I'm just telling you from my years and years watching football that what I saw Sunday was atypical to how that situation has been handled in the NFL. By saying my argument is invalid because I don't care to scour through a slew of games to try to find something that supports my argument is ludicrous. Have you found one that supports yours? I think that's a ridiculous way to determine who is "right". Anyways, if you can say that any coach would have done what Bradley did, you can have that opinion. But if you've watched enough football, you'd know that you were wrong.
You can't call my argument invalid because I can't find a similar situation if you can't provide me one that supports you...just sayin.