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Quote:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/bo...ve_end=184

 

Here's one that fits my argument.  Came from the Saints/Falcons game this year.  Yay Google.

 

Scenario was Falcons ball, 3rd and 9 from the Saints 33 with no timeouts and 0:08 on the clock.  Matt Ryan threw an incomplete pass to Julio Jones, and they kicked a game tying FG to send it to overtime on 4th down.

 

Even less time than :12, huh? ....AND already much closer than a 55 yarder. 

 

Nice find. 

He defended it because of the outcome..  If the results were different TC wouldn't need to defend it

Quote:Why did Coughlin have to defend the decision then? 

 

If it was as UNIVERSALLY correct as you suggest/ imply, then where was the questioning coming from, and why would there even be questioning in the first place that Tom had to answer??? 

 

OOOPS!

He had to "defend" it because there are some airchair GM's/head coaches that dont understand football and need it explained to them.

 

Where have we seen one of those before?

Oh, and they did the same damn thing in Overtime to win the game.

 

Incomplete pass on 3rd down to get more yards.  Kicked a 52 yarder to win it on 4th down.

The flaw in Jags 437 post.... How many sacks or turnovers did NO register against the falcons?  How many rookie starters were WR's ? Compare that to the Jaguars.

Quote:The flaw in Jags 437 post.... How many sacks or turnovers did NO register against the falcons?  How many rookie starters were WR's ?

Also how many rookie QBs and OL were they playing with?

 

Heck, if Bradley had ATLs veteran offense he might have risked it too, but he doesn't so he didn't.

Quote:http://www.pro-football-reference.com/bo...ve_end=184

 

Here's one that fits my argument.  Came from the Saints/Falcons game this year.  Yay Google.

 

Scenario was Falcons ball, 3rd and 9 from the Saints 33 with no timeouts and 0:08 on the clock.  Matt Ryan threw an incomplete pass to Julio Jones, and they kicked a game tying FG to send it to overtime on 4th down.

bryant is 54% on 50+, aka a coin flip.

 

ATL doesn't have the players we have (specifically receivers and oline)

 

Both passes were incomplete because the D knew exactly what to expect. 

 

In the jags situation, you go for the FG 10/10 times.

Quote:He had to "defend" it because there are some airchair GM's/head coaches that dont understand football and need it explained to them.

 

Where have we seen one of those before?

 

The NY media were the (initial) ones questioning Tom. They wouldn't be questioning a "good" or "smart" decision. 

 

Maybe the NY media and fans are just more football saavy than some of the Jacksonville media/ some of the message boarders.  

Quote:Oh, and they did the same damn thing in Overtime to win the game.

 

Incomplete pass on 3rd down to get more yards.  Kicked a 52 yarder to win it on 4th down.

 

The overtime was with several minutes left, so it's not an example.

 

The one you gave at the end of regulation was a good one.

 

Coughlin going for it shows that other coaches would kick the ball in that situation. Bradley is not alone in that decision making. 

 

Mike Smith chose to go for more yards. You guys are not along in your thinking.

 

Honestly, I feel like either way could be justified. That is why I (and others) have described it as a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation.

Quote:The NY media were the (initial) ones questioning Tom. They wouldn't be questioning a "good" or "smart" decision. 

 

Maybe the NY media and fans are just more football saavy than some of the Jacksonville media/ some of the message boarders.  

 

When in doubt, insult Jaguar fans.


It's okay bro. I proved you wrong. You should be used to it by now.

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In the jags situation, you go for the FG 10/10 times.

 

If so, and bad decisions continue to be made, then they'll likely continue to lose 10/ 10 times. 

 

Enjoy defending mediocrity and bad decisions. 

Quote:The NY media were the (initial) ones questioning Tom. They wouldn't be questioning a "good" or "smart" decision. 

 

Maybe the NY media and fans are just more football saavy than some of the Jacksonville media/ some of the message boarders.  

Or maybe we understand what the team can do(or cant do more like it) and that the odds of hitting a 55 yarder to win the game are far more favorable to trying to get a couple of more yards from a weak offense at the risk of fumble, penalty, tackle inbounds, on a defense that knows EXACTLY what you will be trying to do on 3rd down with no timeouts left.

Again the media would have called Coughlin's decision a gutsy move if it would have been successful.  They wouldn't have given it another thought.  But hey I understand how you're looking for attention.  Bradley Baddddd!  Boooo!  rinse and repeat

Quote:The NY media were the (initial) ones questioning Tom. They wouldn't be questioning a "good" or "smart" decision. 

 

Maybe the NY media and fans are just more football saavy than some of the Jacksonville media/ some of the message boarders.  

Sorry to burst your bubble but NY isn't a football saavy part of the country compared to Jax.

 

You want to talk baseball or hockey ok, but our 8 year olds know more about football than your "savvy" media.

It comes down to where your cutoff line is for the odds in that specific situation. A 55 yarder is still favorable odds in that situation to me. 60+ yards, I would have been saying he should have tried to get at least a couple more yards.

Quote:Scobees is 64% at 50+ yards for his career(23/36). 80% last year. (4/5)


2/3rds is a low percentage when you are trying to defend your position at all cost. To heck with any facts.


You do settle for a 55 yard kick under the circumstances of that game.

And he's only 71% from 41-50. Another fact.

What is Scobee's percentage from 55 yards and longer?

 

Anyone know?

Quote:The NY media were the (initial) ones questioning Tom. They wouldn't be questioning a "good" or "smart" decision.


Maybe the NY media and fans are just more football saavy than some of the Jacksonville media/ some of the message boarders.

You mean the same NY media and fans that wanted Coughlin fired the year he won his first Super Bowl?


Yep...they're 'savvy' alright.

This is really silly, there is more then enough bone head time out management moves to be upset about.  The kick on 3rd down with rookie quarterback and wide receivers isn't a bone head move to be arguing.  IF 3 years from now with the same players Gus is making the same call, then argue it.

Quote:And he's only 71% from 41-50. Another fact.

I promise you the odds of something going wrong from running an extra play are much higher than the 7% gained for moving the ball inside the 50.