Relax, guys.
Henne will be Henne.
He will stink up one too many times relatively shortly and the Blake Bortles era will officially begin. I say it happens in 3-4 weeks.
Quote:Which is why cecil said they trust both equally, and think both give them a chance to win.
Also, called Bortles a gamer.
They call Henne a nice lady.
Quote:I think Caldwell is forcing the issue, and wont let Gus play Bortles, Gus Bradley was in Seattle with Wilson and saw him win the job flat out when they had a vet QB signed to start
Blake won the job, but behind the scene I think Dave told Chad to get him to resign he will be the starter regardless of who they draft and he doesnt want to go back on that word.
It was flat out stupid to say that public or private, they should have said it will be a competition like every other position, now we are stuck sitting a waiting for no reason
Blake won the job flat out, he was just good, he was great in the preseason, and Henne was well Henne which is avg at best and we are stuck with it for now
I don't get that sense at all. Brady and Caldwell are in synch. I think Caldwell trusts Bradley to make the right call here. He's not forcing him to do anything.
Quote:We can argue until we are blue in the face, but the fact is, this organization is giving its loyal season ticket holders and fans a year long pre-season and they couldn't care less what we think.
When it starts to get ugly, look for my tickets on StubHub because Sundays are better fit for golf than watching a team that doesn't care about winning.
Good.
Quote:Relax, guys.
Henne will be Henne.
He will stink up one too many times relatively shortly and the Blake Bortles era will officially begin. I say it happens in 3-4 weeks.
I think your timing is probably about right. We will see soon enough.
Quote:I don't get that sense at all. Brady and Caldwell are in synch. I think Caldwell trusts Bradley to make the right call here. He's not forcing him to do anything.
For "fans" not having any insight to the inter-workings of a football team, you sure seem to have a lot of insight.
Quote:Sorry, I must have missed the press conference when he clarified that statement to "competition at every position except quarterback".
It wasn't necessary to say so. There isn't a competition at QB. There hasn't been one. Bortles is the starting QB for this team when he's ready. He won't have to win a competition with anyone but himself. Henne is irrelevant beyond holding the seat until he's ready. I'm not sure why this is difficult to grasp for some people, but clearly it is.
Quote:if GMs listened to fans they wouldn't be in the league very long.
If Gene Smith listened to fans we would have a superbowl team right now, dont act like GM's are always so great
Quote:That's not really point. The coaches certainly have more insight than fans, do they not?
I'd hope so. Doesn't mean everything they they do and say is right. They immediately said after they drafted him that they weren't going to do what the previous regime did with Gabbert and play him right away. So it was already determined what they wanted to do with him. I honestly think they didn't think he would have progressed as quickly as he has. You could tell with players like Manziel and Kaepernick that they needed seasoning and a year on the bench.
Tell me what he didn't do to show he isn't ready? Made almost every single throw you could ask for in those limited snaps. I don't care if it was vs vanilla defenses, they were big time NFL throws nobody has made for this team in a very long time. Looked off safeties and called audibles at the line that led to huge gains. There is only one way to learn how to do it against complex defenses. And that's by playing against them.
Playbook is the only reasonable reason for him to be sitting right now. And that'd be pretty worrying if he still hasn't mastered it yet. Some scouts i follow on twitter made it a point to say during the preseason how much better his footwork and mechanics are already than they were at UCF. Waiting on him to be an absolute finished product is just wasting time on letting him be game developed while the entire core of this franchise is on their cheap rookie contract.
Quote:If Gene Smith listened to fans we would have a superbowl team right now, dont act like GM's are always so great
If Gene Smith just drafted off Mel Kiper's Big Board, we wouldn't be rebuilding.
Quote:For "fans" not having any insight to the inter-workings of a football team, you sure seem to have a lot of insight.
It doesn't require insight to hear what both of them have been saying all along. It simply requires you to listen. Clearly you're not.
I think Gus will re-evaluate the OL situation in about 4-6 weeks. If the coaching staff sees noticeable improvement and feels confident in that group being able to protect the QB, handle different blitz schemes, etc on a consistent basis, they will give Bortles more practice reps with the 1st team and go from there.
All this depends on how the OL play, and I thought today they actually played pretty solid in the 1st half except for the botched snap.
Quote:If Gene Smith listened to fans we would have a superbowl team right now, dont act like GM's are always so great
This is funny stuff right here.
Quote:I'd hope so. Doesn't mean everything they they do and say is right. They immediately said after they drafted him that they weren't going to do what the previous regime did with Gabbert and play him right away. So it was already determined what they wanted to do with him. I honestly think they didn't think he would have progressed as quickly as he has. You could tell with players like Manziel and Kaepernick that they needed seasoning and a year on the bench.
Tell me what he didn't do to show he isn't ready? Made almost every single throw you could ask for in those limited snaps. I don't care if it was vs vanilla defenses, they were big time NFL throws nobody has made for this team in a very long time. Looked off safeties and called audibles at the line that led to huge gains. There is only one way to learn how to do it against complex defenses. And that's by playing against them.
Playbook is the only reasonable reason for him to be sitting right now. And that'd be pretty worrying if he still hasn't mastered it yet. Some scouts i follow on twitter made it a point to say during the preseason how much better his footwork and mechanics are already than they were at UCF. Waiting on him to be an absolute finished product is just wasting time on letting him be game developed while the entire core of this franchise is on their cheap rookie contract.
Nobody is saying everything they do is right. But, you can't throw out a plan after one game because the team lost a game they were expected to lose anyway. Let the process play itself out and we'll know soon enough what's right and what's wrong.
Quote:This is funny stuff right here.
What's funny? I know for a fact my mock draft players are 100 times better then Gene drafts
Having more insight gives you an opportunity to make a more informed decision. That doesnt mean they make the correct one. People make mistakes.... If the difference is between starting him now or week 3/4, there's really no point in waiting.
Quote:Having more insight gives you an opportunity to make a more informed decision. That doesnt mean they make the correct one. People make mistakes.... If the difference is between starting him now or week 3/4, there's really no point in waiting.
Nobody is saying every decision they make is the right one. Time will tell if they're making a mistake by sitting Bortles until he's ready. It's not hurting them at all considering the expectations for this team this year.
Quote:You either trust the plan or you second guess it. That's your choice, because in the end, they're either going to be right, or they'll be unemployed. Nothing we do as fans is going to change their plan.
I choose to second guess it. I think if the #3 overall pick needs a full year to develop before he's "ready", he probably wasn't worth the # 3 pick.
I like to win and much more important, I want to see the best effort to win. I can handle the losses, but not running up the white flag on the season before opening day and that's exactly what you're doing when you choose not to play the best guy. How can you possibly build team chemistry and a winning mentality with such indifference?
If Bradley truly believes Henne is our best chance of winning, fine, I'll trust his judgement. I haven't heard any such statement, have you?
Quote:Nobody is saying every decision they make is the right one. Time will tell if they're making a mistake by sitting Bortles until he's ready. It's not hurting them at all considering the expectations for this team this year.
I think if I hear "when he's ready" one more time I'm going to puke. It means NOTHING without a definition. What is ready?
It's really not that hard. Henne isn't good. We let up 34 unanswered points in the second half alone today. The offense was brutal. It's gotten to the point where its downright awkward that they're not starting him. Every time I think of it and try to justify it I get an uneasy feeling in my stomach and I think it's because I respect Gus and Dave so much. But in this case, they look like absolute morons not starting him. I'm sorry, but if it goes on for much longer, it's pure insanity.
What's the risk to putting him out there now versus in 5-6 weeks when the season might already be lost? Bortles is either going to be good (and we've gotten a pretty huge indication that he will be) or he's not. That won't change based on a few more weeks of sitting on the bench while Henne buries our season into obscurity along with the rest of the better part of the last decade.
The dude lit it up in the preseason and the incumbent is Chad Henne. Play the kid.