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Quote:Not air...but a back.

 

I see many of his sacks and pressures come from stunts where he loops inside.

 

Not that there is anything wrong with that.  Aaron Kampman excelled on stunts.

 

But he needs a bigger array of moves.

 

On the other hand, I think the team will play with more leads this year.  That should give him more opportunities.

Of course production is production when it comes to the team, but to say HE is a good DE from such plays is just stupid. 

Quote:Why have you ignored all of the posts that show your incorrect use of games-played? That is, after all, the basis of your entire argument and its wrong. 

Already addressed that, and either way you put it, 2 seasons with only 7 sacks is not good. And my entire argument was that he's done nothing impressive and his production isn't even that good. He's not good. 

Quote:I think people realize that he struggled in his rookie season. A lot of DE's have. It isn't necessarily what he did his first year, it is how he improved from year one to year two and now year two to year three. Also, it wasn't just the numbers he improved on. He improved in the coaches eyes as well. I think most people understand that year one isn't a huge barometer either way on a players entire career. He improved last year plain and simple. We will see if he takes another step this year.

His numbers improved but he did not, he still hardly got any pressure, majority of his sacks came off of little trick plays where he'd run around the formation and go through air to the QB which obviously is an awesome play but it's not something to praise him for all he did was run which most human beings can do. 

Quote:His numbers improved but he did not, he still hardly got any pressure, majority of his sacks came off of little trick plays where he'd run around the formation and go through air to the QB which obviously is an awesome play but it's not something to praise him for all he did was run which most human beings can do. 

 

You wouldn't happen to be JDR would you?

 

He also preferred a QB pressure as opposed to a QB sack. 

Quote:You wouldn't happen to be JDR would you?

 

He also preferred a QB pressure as opposed to a QB sack. 

Why do the people on this forum have a hard time understanding words? I'm saying his sack numbers were inflated by playcalling, he didn't do anything special to get those sacks, and his amount of pressures and his ability to stop the run was just as bad as it was the previous year. His 1 sack in his rookie year was far more impressive than any of his sacks this year because he beat his guy one on one, this year almost all of his sacks was him running against air. 

Quote:Yep you're right, now see I did make a mistake there.. but back to the original argument, Mincey had 7 in his first 24 games, Branch got 7 in 29.



My point is still valid although i'm sure as soon as FBT see's this he will jump all over it and try to make it seem like one small mistake means i'm wrong.

When comparing those two how many seasons did it take Mincey to get 7 sacks not games. That's the point. Mincey was always hurt but still got to benefit from offseason after offseason. branch he shown improvement period. How many games did Mincey start his first 2 years?

Quote:When comparing those two how many seasons did it take Mincey to get 7 sacks not games. That's the point. Mincey was always hurt but still got to benefit from offseason after offseason. branch he shown improvement period. How many games did Mincey start his first 2 years?

 

You're wasting your time here as Swaguars is incapable of putting that much thought into this.  He's probably already stricken with migraines because he's being challenged to back up his air claims, and now he's saying it's "one small mistake" when he misses yet another sack where Branch didn't go against air.

 

The bottom line here is that Swaguars thinks game planning to utilize the talents of the personnel we have is a bad thing, and that even if a player is productive, he's still a bum because Swaguars said so.  Of course, when challenged, he does TMD like back tracking in small doses, but still insists that despite the facts, Branch is still a bum.  Branch could wind up with double digit sacks, and he could lead this team in more than one defensive category, and because the scheme suited his playing style, Swaguars would still whine that he's a bum.  It's a never ending cycle of projection on the part of our 13 year old wannabe GM. 

Quote:You're wasting your time here as Swaguars is incapable of putting that much thought into this.  He's probably already stricken with migraines because he's being challenged to back up his air claims, and now he's saying it's "one small mistake" when he misses yet another sack where Branch didn't go against air.

 

The bottom line here is that Swaguars thinks game planning to utilize the talents of the personnel we have is a bad thing, and that even if a player is productive, he's still a bum because Swaguars said so.  Of course, when challenged, he does TMD like back tracking in small doses, but still insists that despite the facts, Branch is still a bum.  Branch could wind up with double digit sacks, and he could lead this team in more than one defensive category, and because the scheme suited his playing style, Swaguars would still whine that he's a bum.  It's a never ending cycle of projection on the part of our 13 year old wannabe GM. 

 

 

The underlined statement in bold is the reason this argument ended a long time ago with me as the victor. I said Branch isn't a good DE, I never said using good gameplanning to get sacks out of him was bad for the team, but there's a reason they have to resort to this type of thing for him to get sacks, because he cannot beat his man one on one. I'm going ignore you from now on because you have a hard time understanding simple english. 

And yes, he did go up against air

 

Quote:The underlined statement in bold is the reason this argument ended a long time ago with me as the victor. I said Branch isn't a good DE, I never said using good gameplanning to get sacks out of him was bad for the team, but there's a reason they have to resort to this type of thing for him to get sacks, because he cannot beat his man one on one. I'm going ignore you from now on because you have a hard time understanding simple english.

So I guess we should dismiss about half of Lawrence Taylor's sacks because they were speed rushes and nobody touched him.


There's only one place that you 'won' any argument. In your head.

Ryan Davis looks pretty impressive in that sack .gif.

10 sacks from Branch is a perfectly reasonable expectation if he's able to get enough snaps to get there. 

 

I see Clemons getting  50-60% of the snaps at LEO - with Babin and Branch the most likely to split what's left.   So Branch may fall shy of double-digits in that scenario. 

 

I'd be happy to see 12-13  from Clem,  7-8 from Babin, 7- 8 from Branch,  5  from Bryant/Alualu ,  5  from the OTTO or  MLB,  4 from the DBs. That would put us in the upper half of the league in total sacks.  Big progress from last in the league.

still kinda in awe this thread went 15 pages... all over someone talking about branches sacks being contested or not lol... we are knee deep in the deadzone of the offseason and its getting ugly.

Quote:still kinda in awe this thread went 15 pages... all over someone talking about branches sacks being contested or not lol... we are knee deep in the deadzone of the offseason and its getting ugly.

 

waist deep

 

Quote:Why do the people on this forum have a hard time understanding words? I'm saying his sack numbers were inflated by playcalling, he didn't do anything special to get those sacks, and his amount of pressures and his ability to stop the run was just as bad as it was the previous year. His 1 sack in his rookie year was far more impressive than any of his sacks this year because he beat his guy one on one, this year almost all of his sacks was him running against air. 

 

If it was that simple then all of the DE's would be getting 6-7 QB sacks a year. You totally discount the fact that if Branch didn't have the speed/ athletic ability he has, he wouldn't be able to execute what was asked of him in those situations of stunts/ or what not. 

 

You have this pigeon holed idea of what a good DE is and its archaic. 

Quote:So I guess we should dismiss about half of Lawrence Taylor's sacks because they were speed rushes and nobody touched him.


There's only one place that you 'won' any argument. In your head.

 

Or James Harrison in Pittsburgh, or Kevin Greene in Pitt, or any Pitt pass rusher for that matter...

Quote:And yes, he did go up against air

 

 

 

Yes, 18 yard losses are worthless for a defense....

Quote:If it was that simple then all of the DE's would be getting 6-7 QB sacks a year. You totally discount the fact that if Branch didn't have the speed/ athletic ability he has, he wouldn't be able to execute what was asked of him in those situations of stunts/ or what not. 

 

You have this pigeon holed idea of what a good DE is and its archaic. 

 

Exactly. The idea that Branch is only getting sacks because of play calling is ridiculous. Play calling is part of it, executing it is another. 

 

This guy.

Quote:And yes, he did go up against air

 

 

Why did he go up against air? Because he was fast enough to breeze by his blocker.

Quote:And yes, he did go up against air

 

 

 

"Air" must wear number 79, and go by the nickname Brandon Brooks.

 

That, and you need to have your eyes checked.