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Quote:I'd like to see you break down each sack and how he went against air.  I'm pretty sure you can't.

Quote:I'd like to see you break down each sack and how he went against air.  I'm pretty sure you can't.

Better yet, break each dbl digit sack leader in the league by how many came from going against air.

Quote:He had to shed the block of a guy who wasn't even entirely facing him who was caught off guard by the play call, I could have shed that block. 

 

I cannot find anymore videos of his sacks online but I do remember them quite well. Other than the one against GB in his rookie year (his only sack that year) he hasn't beaten anybody one on one for a sack.

 

 

You might be the biggest moron on this message board. 

 

That sack was with the old coaching staff. He's being put in a position to succeed because he's being asked to do things that suit his skill set a lot more. We're going to run a lot of stunts regardless of who we have on defense and he happens to be an ideal fit to run those because of his speed and athleticism. I fully expect him to make the team and contribute this year. If he can finish with 6-7 sacks again this year on a reduced number of reps, I say that's a great season.

Quote:He had to shed the block of a guy who wasn't even entirely facing him who was caught off guard by the play call, I could have shed that block. 

 

I cannot find anymore videos of his sacks online but I do remember them quite well. Other than the one against GB in his rookie year (his only sack that year) he hasn't beaten anybody one on one for a sack.

 

 

You might be the biggest moron on this message board. 

 

No, I think if we put it up to a vote, I'd be well behind you for that honor.  Don't you have a random thought thread to start?

 

You can't find any more videos, but you remember them quite well.  Break down each one since they're etched in your memory so deeply. 

Quote:List the other players on the roster who showed similar production in the same scheme.  If any player could have done the same thing, why didn't they?  This is where your mental capacity lets you down.

 

Please don't try to challenge my intellect here, Swaguars.  Trust me, stick to your mindless, random thought threads and leave thinking to those who can.

I don't have to challenge your non-existant intellect, you do not have a clue what you're talking about. So far what I've got from your post are as follows:

 

 

~ You think i'm upset because we got production from well thought out play designs - Clearly false, all I said was that Branch is not good, just because he benefited from a scheme that pitted him 1 on 1 with air does not make him good.  Oh and he still had a sub par season.

 

~ You think that Branch shed a block in that sack against the Texans when all he did was run through a lame attempt of a block by the linemen who was falling over, Branch didn't hardly even notice him. 

 



 

 

~ You're trying to defend a DE who has 7 career sacks in 29 games and has only gotten 1 of said sacks by legit beating his man 1 on 1, without a specially designed play to get him alone. in 29 games! Give me a break

 

 

 

You really need to stop acting like you know everything, you don't. 

Quote:I don't have to challenge your non-existant intellect, you do not have a clue what you're talking about. So far what I've got from your post are as follows:

 

 

~ You think i'm upset because we got production from well thought out play designs - Clearly false, all I said was that Branch is not good because he benefited from a scheme that pitted him 1 on 1 with air, and still had a sub par season.

 

~ You think that Branch shed a block in that sack against the Texans when all he did was run through a lame attempt of a block by the linemen who was falling over, Branch didn't hardly even notice him. 

 



 

 

~ You're trying to defend a DE who has 7 career sacks in 29 games and has only gotten 1 of said sacks by legit beating his man 1 on 1, without a specially designed play to get him alone. in 29 games! Give me a break

 

 

 

You really need to stop acting like you know everything, you don't. 

 

I'm not defending the DE.  This is where your lack of intellect betrays you.  I'm simply saying it doesn't matter if it's scheme or not if the player is productive.  You're simply not smart enough to grasp this, so go start another mind numbingly stupid thread about some random thought bouncing around in your head.

 

You said he got his sacks against air.  Your clip above proves that's not the case.  Another link has been provided once again debunking that.  My point to you was to show me examples of how he got all of his sacks vs. air, and you couldn't.  You're just too stupid to recognize that point.  Air implies he was untouched.  That's not factual.  Eventually the facts will find that pea bouncing around inside that skull of yours.

 

Funny, you say any player could have gotten the sacks in that scheme.  I asked you to list those that did since it's all about scheme and not the player, but you somehow ignored that.  I'm waiting.

Quote:I don't have to challenge your non-existant intellect, you do not have a clue what you're talking about. So far what I've got from your post are as follows:

 

 

~ You think i'm upset because we got production from well thought out play designs - Clearly false, all I said was that Branch is not good, just because he benefited from a scheme that pitted him 1 on 1 with air does not make him good.  Oh and he still had a sub par season.

 

~ You think that Branch shed a block in that sack against the Texans when all he did was run through a lame attempt of a block by the linemen who was falling over, Branch didn't hardly even notice him. 

 



 

 

~ You're trying to defend a DE who has 7 career sacks in 29 games and has only gotten 1 of said sacks by legit beating his man 1 on 1, without a specially designed play to get him alone. in 29 games! Give me a break

 

 

 

You really need to stop acting like you know everything, you don't. 

 

Well he has 5 sacks from his last 7 games when he was finally comfortable and in a scheme that was suited to his talents. That equates to about 11.5 over a sixteen game season, which is pretty damn solid regardless of the scheme that you're in. Branch was honestly probably one of the most improved Jaguars from last season and a big reason for their much improved overall play the last eight weeks.

Quote:I'm not defending the DE.  This is where your lack of intellect betrays you.  I'm simply saying it doesn't matter if it's scheme or not if the player is productive.  You're simply not smart enough to grasp this, so go start another mind numbingly stupid thread about some random thought bouncing around in your head.

 

You said he got his sacks against air.  Your clip above proves that's not the case.  Another link has been provided once again debunking that.  My point to you was to show me examples of how he got all of his sacks vs. air, and you couldn't.  You're just too stupid to recognize that point.

If you read my initial post on this thread you'll have noticed I acknowledged his sack against GB, I did not remember which team it was but I gave him credit for beating a guy for a sack one time.. well before it was even brought up. But doing it one time in 29 games does not make him good, being productive in this particular scheme does not make you good. 

 

 

Let's look at it from a different perspective. A wr runs a streak, nobody covers him and he scores a TD. He produced, but it was pretty much given to him, so we're going to praise him for it? I'm not going to praise a guy who isn't good for something a 3rd string DE could have done on those particular plays. 

Quote:If you read my initial post on this thread you'll have noticed I acknowledged his sack against GB, I did not remember which team it was but I gave him credit for beating a guy for a sack one time.. well before it was even brought up. But doing it one time in 29 games does not make him good, being productive in this particular scheme does not make you good. 

 

 

Let's look at it from a different perspective. A wr runs a streak, nobody covers him and he scores a TD. He produced, but it was pretty much given to him, so we're going to praise him for it? I'm not going to praise a guy who isn't good for something a 3rd string DE could have done on those particular plays. 

 

List the 3rd string DEs who matched his production in this scheme.  You keep saying anyone could do it.  We've got plenty of guys who lined up in the same scheme.  Let's hear the list, genius. 

Quote:If you read my initial post on this thread you'll have noticed I acknowledged his sack against GB, I did not remember which team it was but I gave him credit for beating a guy for a sack one time.. well before it was even brought up. But doing it one time in 29 games does not make him good, being productive in this particular scheme does not make you good. 

 

 

Let's look at it from a different perspective. A wr runs a streak, nobody covers him and he scores a TD. He produced, but it was pretty much given to him, so we're going to praise him for it? I'm not going to praise a guy who isn't good for something a 3rd string DE could have done on those particular plays. 

 

I think that's where you're still pretty much mistaken. They run those plays for Branch because with his skill-set, that is the best way for him to get to the QB. It was a very athletic play and he stunted pretty much exactly how he was supposed to. It isn't just an easy play, it's not like someone just missed an assignment or the QB stepped into his sack.

Quote:List the 3rd string DEs who matched his production in this scheme.  You keep saying anyone could do it.  We've got plenty of guys who lined up in the same scheme.  Let's hear the list, genius. 

Tell me what 3rd stringers got the same playing time as him? Also not every player is lucky enough to go up against air, those play calls don't work every time or Branch would have had quite a few more sacks. 

Quote:I think that's where you're still pretty much mistaken. They run those plays for Branch because with his skill-set, that is the best way for him to get to the QB. It was a very athletic play and he stunted pretty much exactly how he was supposed to. It isn't just an easy play, it's not like someone just missed an assignment or the QB stepped into his sack.

I get that, what are you trying to say? I'm telling you branch is not a good pass rusher, you're telling me they run specific plays to match his skill set but whats your point? That's fine and dandy but he's still bad. 

Quote:I'd like to see you watch this video and tell me where he beat somebody 1 on 1

 

http://www.jaguars.com/media-gallery/vid...5eeceaeb97

 

That's called a stunt. It takes a lot of athleticism to pull that off. He breezed by the Texans O-Line. I'd like to see another rusher on our team do that.

Quote:Tell me what 3rd stringers got the same playing time as him? Also not every player is lucky enough to go up against air, those play calls don't work every time or Branch would have had quite a few more sacks. 

 

Don't deflect.  If any player could get those stats in that scheme, why didn't they?  You see, this is where your argument really falls apart, especially when you repeatedly say anyone could have gotten them.  Anyone DIDN'T get them.  Branch did.  Anyone else didn't come close for sacks.  So, if it's the scheme, and as you said more than once, anyone could have gotten them, please share your brilliance with us to explain why it didn't happen.  Or, you could simply start another random thought thread talking about how cool their cleats are or something.

Quote:That's called a stunt. It takes a lot of athleticism to pull that off. He breezed by the Texans O-Line. I'd like to see another rusher on our team do that.

If I recall Ryan Davis had a sack just like it, unfortunately I cannot find a video of it. 

Quote:I get that, what are you trying to say? I'm telling you branch is not a good pass rusher, you're telling me they run specific plays to match his skill set but whats your point? That's fine and dandy but he's still bad. 

Uhhhh no, he's not bad. He was a pretty damn solid DE once he was finally in a scheme where he could succeed. Comparing him to a 3rd sting DE makes you look foolish as when they finally started to take advantage of his skill set, he was putting up big numbers. Why do you think they aren't running those stunts for other guys? Because they aren't capable of getting home to the QB. Just because a player gets home on a stunt, doesn't mean he has a lack of skill, in fact it's just the opposite. I'm shocked you can't realize this.

Quote:Uhhhh no, he's not bad. He was a pretty damn solid DE once he was finally in a scheme where he could succeed. Comparing him to a 3rd sting DE makes you look foolish as when they finally started to take advantage of his skill set, he was putting up big numbers. Why do you think they aren't running those stunts for other guys? Because they aren't capable of getting home to the QB. Just because a player gets home on a stunt, doesn't mean he has a lack of skill, in fact it's just the opposite. I'm shocked you can't realize this.

 

Let Swaguars wallow in his ignorance.  It's more entertaining.

Quote:Don't deflect.  If any player could get those stats in that scheme, why didn't they?  You see, this is where your argument really falls apart, especially when you repeatedly say anyone could have gotten them.  Anyone DIDN'T get them.  Branch did.  Anyone else didn't come close for sacks.  So, if it's the scheme, and as you said more than once, anyone could have gotten them, please share your brilliance with us to explain why it didn't happen.  Or, you could simply start another random thought thread talking about how cool their cleats are or something.

 

 

Your argument fell apart when you're trying to tell me 3rd string professional football players cannot run through air to the QB. Branch is not good, it doesn't take a genius to see that. 

Quote:If I recall Ryan Davis had a sack just like it, unfortunately I cannot find a video of it. 

But it's etched in your memory, so you should be able to describe it.

Quote:Uhhhh no, he's not bad. He was a pretty damn solid DE once he was finally in a scheme where he could succeed. Comparing him to a 3rd sting DE makes you look foolish as when they finally started to take advantage of his skill set, he was putting up big numbers. Why do you think they aren't running those stunts for other guys? Because they aren't capable of getting home to the QB. Just because a player gets home on a stunt, doesn't mean he has a lack of skill, in fact it's just the opposite. I'm shocked you can't realize this.

Comparing him to a third string DE isn't foolish considering he's going to be a backup this year. He isn't starting over Babin/Clemmons and I'd bet that Chris Smith passes him on the depth chart come August. 

Quote:Your argument fell apart when you're trying to tell me 3rd string professional football players cannot run through air to the QB. Branch is not good, it doesn't take a genius to see that. 

See, here we go again.  You can't answer the question because you just aren't smart enough to do so, so you deflect, because that's what mindless trolls do.  When challenged, they deflect.  If it's just the scheme, why didn't anyone else have similar production?  It's not a difficult question to answer for anyone with half a brain.  I'm giving you credit thinking you've got that much to work with.