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Quote:Bro 5 sacks in 7 games doesn't matter when he was just benefitting from creative playcalling, he isn't good. You seem to miss the point i'm making entirely. He's not a special player, other plays could do his job and btw THEY WILL DO HIS JOB. We didn't sign Clemmons, Bryant and Babin back if they thought Branch was a game changing DE. They aren't stupid like FBT and you if you believe he's good. 

 

They brought in Clemons because it was a no brainer and they need more bodies to keep snap counts down and be able to diversify their looks on defense with more pass rushers. As for Bryant, he plays a completely different position than Branch, so that's like saying we signed Ziggy Hood because we wanted to improve the talent at Free Safety. As for Babin, that was again a pretty much no brainer as he's coming back at a reduced salary and will play less snaps and remain fresh at an older age. No, Branch won't likely ever be a game-changing LEO but he was very solid coming down the stretch last season and he's 24 with his arrow pointing up. Beyond that, he's a good scheme fit, so don't plan on seeing him anywhere but here, at least until his rookie contract runs out.

Looks like someone needs their mouth washed out with some Lifebuoy.. 

 

This thread has gotten out of control

Quote:I'm not trying to rationalize someone else's opinion.  I just agree with it.  Mike Shanahan with the Broncos went from Terrell Davis to Olandis Gary to Mike Anderson to Clinton Portis to Reubun Droughns to Tatum Bell....  rolled out 1,000 yard rushers year after year without blinking an eye.  The Pittsburgh Steelers seem to go through 3-4 OLBs like my wife does shoes.  They've developed schemes where players are highly interchangeable parts thus making the player himself less valuable.  Obviously there is a base minimum required skillset needed for the position but there appears to be a significant amount of players that have that.

 

Have the Jags created a scheme in order to take advantage of a unique set of skills that only a few including Andre Branch possess?  Or has Branch been able to take advantage of a scheme that allows for a number of interchangeable players to generate good stats?  If the latter, then I agree his sack total is not as impressive.  I'd be surprised if we'd let him go now since he is still on his rookie deal.  But if he is playing a position that is highly interchangeable, then I'd be surprised if he made it past his rookie contract.... unless we got a very team friendly deal.

 

I think the scheme can emphasize certain parts of the game from a team stand point, but individual players make plays.  The teams you mentioned have a history of drafting great players.  Chicken or the egg I guess but most coaches will tell you that the teams in the NFL basically play the same schemes with only minor adjustments here or there.  Occasionally an some new idea will come along but if it's successful, it'll be copied in no time.

I hate to see what July is gonna be like.

Quote:I'm not sure I see the problem here.  If he's getting sacks and impacting the QB, does it really matter how he's getting there? 

Some people are so easy to forget the times where our defensive ends would get pressure and either:

A) Miss the tackle

or

B) Overshoot and allow the QB to scramble for a 20 yard gain

 

I'm perfectly fine with him getting sacks any way he can at this point.

Quote:I'm not sure I see the problem here.  If he's getting sacks and impacting the QB, does it really matter how he's getting there? 

There is no problem you ignorant tool, the argument was he isn't a good DE.. there's nothing wrong with his production for the last 7 games.. the point is most DEs put in that position would have done the same, he played against air.

I was never a branch fan and did not have a great feeling when we drafted him.  Watching him in college he never was a dominate player that over powered the offensive tackle. He didn't seem to have and inside move and often used speed around the outside to get to the quarterback. More often the not  he would be nutralized when locked up with an offensive lineman. The compitition he faced when he entered the NFL was far to good to depend on one speed move to be successful. it does take time for a rookie to develope at the position and if he puts on some muscle and impoves his technique by adding additional moves to his pass rush he may become a productive DE, but I doubt he will ever become a domiating DE that will be so disruptive that teams will have to game plan against him. nothing would make me happier then Mr. Branch proving me wrong.  Go Jags

Quote:I was never a branch fan and did not have a great feeling when we drafted him.  Watching him in college he never was a dominate player that over powered the offensive tackle. He didn't seem to have and inside move and often used speed around the outside to get to the quarterback. More often the not  he would be nutralized when locked up with an offensive lineman. The compitition he faced when he entered the NFL was far to good to depend on one speed move to be successful. it does take time for a rookie to develope at the position and if he puts on some muscle and impoves his technique by adding additional moves to his pass rush he may become a productive DE, but I doubt he will ever become a domiating DE that will be so disruptive that teams will have to game plan against him. nothing would make me happier then Mr. Branch proving me wrong.  Go Jags

He doesn't have to be a world beater, but you need fresh legs in the rotation that can get after the QB.

 

Speed kills especially late in the game when the o-line is fatigued. If the coaches can scheme his speed and make it effective, then so be it. A sack is a sack is a sack.

A. He may get fewer snaps this year.

 

B. He may get fewer sacks as a result of playing fewer snaps.

 

C. I'm just fine with that if he is playing quality snaps and pressuring and sacking the QB.

 

D. I read the past couple pages and had to laugh. I guess someone thinks Gus is a fool for thinking Branch is standing out. Wait, it's OTAS and he's going up against air.

 

E. Never mind.

Quote:There is no problem you ignorant tool, the argument was he isn't a good DE.. there's nothing wrong with his production for the last 7 games.. the point is most DEs put in that position would have done the same, he played against air.

I see you decided to come back for more. The diaper must be empty.


I'm still waiting for you to point out where I said he was a good DE. It shouldn't be difficult to find, even for someone with as limited a mental capacity as you based on how many times you've tried to imply I've said it. I'll wait.


And again, you say most DEs put in a similar position would have been equally productive, but we've already determined that's not factual because not every othe DE on the roster matched his production. It doesn't take a genius to grasp the point, but maybe I'm overestimating what little intellect you might possess.

Quote:I see you decided to come back for more. The diaper must be empty.

I'm still waiting for you to point out where I said he was a good DE. It shouldn't be difficult to find, even for someone with as limited a mental capacity as you based on how many times you've tried to imply I've said it. I'll wait.


And again, you say most DEs put in a similar position would have been equally productive, but we've already determined that's not factual because not every othe DE on the roster matched his production. It doesn't take a genius to grasp the point, but maybe I'm overestimating what little intellect you might possess.

 

IF YOU DON'T THINK HE'S A GOOD DE THEN WHY THE HELL DID YOU EVEN START A CONVERSATION WITH ME, IF THAT'S THE CASE WE'VE BEEN ARGUING OVER ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND YOU DID START THIS ARGUMENT BECAUSE i DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING TO YOU.

 

And like I said before, he got a ton of snaps, he's clearly going to get some sacks. Even Mincey had 8 sacks in 2011? (maybe 2012 can't remember) and he actually earned his, it wasn't a cute little fancy stunt every time. 

Quote:I see you decided to come back for more. The diaper must be empty.


I'm still waiting for you to point out where I said he was a good DE. It shouldn't be difficult to find, even for someone with as limited a mental capacity as you based on how many times you've tried to imply I've said it. I'll wait.


And again, you say most DEs put in a similar position would have been equally productive, but we've already determined that's not factual because not every othe DE on the roster matched his production. It doesn't take a genius to grasp the point, but maybe I'm overestimating what little intellect you might possess.

Some people can't be on a forum 24/7. 

Quote:IF YOU DON'T THINK HE'S A GOOD DE THEN WHY THE HELL DID YOU EVEN START A CONVERSATION WITH ME, IF THAT'S THE CASE WE'VE BEEN ARGUING OVER ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND YOU DID START THIS ARGUMENT BECAUSE i DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING TO YOU.


And like I said before, he got a ton of snaps, he's clearly going to get some sacks. Even Mincey had 8 sacks in 2011? (maybe 2012 can't remember) and he actually earned his, it wasn't a cute little fancy stunt every time.

I still don't understand why you guys are arguing. If he's producing who cares. If they find some who produces better then he'll play.

Ive pretty much resorted to hoping Branch can just be a effective Defensive cog. Expecting him to be a decent pass-rusher and get to the QB is really asking alot of him.

 

He has been in the league a few years now,and he still struggles with zone-blocking, his technique has improved somewhat. If we plan on keeping him, he is better suited playing cetain situations. or early downs.

 

God I wish SPfan-32 was here to protect the almighty Branch.

Quote:I still don't understand why you guys are arguing. If he's producing who cares. If they find some who produces better then he'll play.

I never try to start arguments, I said Branch sucks which he does and people jump on me... 

Quote:I never try to start arguments, I said Branch sucks which he does and people jump on me...

i don't think he sucks.. He's producing and is still young. Could he be replaced by someone better ? Sure but there is no point when he is producing.

I thought you were objective? Oh well..

I would love for him to get more sacks... No reason not to hope for it

Quote:I thought you were objective? Oh well..

how am I not being?