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Teddy Bridgewater would be put in the same conversation as Andrew Luck if he played better competition. 

Quote:LOL... you don't wait.  No one has suggested that but you.  You keep drafting until you know you have your franchise guy.  Trade up, acquire a FA, whatever you need to do.  To think "there won't be a QB available of Teddy's quality" is your mistake, and your fear.  I certainly don't share that sentiment.  That explains the difference in opinion whether you agree or not.

 

Listen to these Clownish answers.

 

1) You keep drafting til you get one.... Yes all those picks on developmental guys in the later rounds work out real well. I guess every once in a blue moon you get a Brady or Wilson. Every other moon its Cassel, Mallet or Hoyer. We're in position to get a good QB now, but you want to be cheap.

2) Trade up.....? You want to give up something to pick an unproven player? When was the last time the Patriots, Packers, Steelers, Ravens, Niners, Seahawks, Colts, etc etc traded up to get a QB?

3) Acquire a FA.......? Oh boy, like good QBs grow on trees. How many good QBs are going to be FAs this year. 30 something year old Vick? Maybe get Young or Jamarcus Russell off the street, you know for competition's sake. Oh what about Matt Flynn, Ponder or Cassel. Sure sounds like a bomb [BAD WORD REMOVED] plan.

 

Oh how could I forget the best answer of them all:

 

4) Wait for the second coming of Andrew Luck, the once in a generation player. Maybe that is ole Jameis, and his awful windup! Maybe, Maybe, Maybe.

 

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Here is what you do!

 

There are 3 pretty damn good QBs at the top of this class, after that, GOOD LUCK. Bortles, Teddy, and Manziel will be good, solid starters, and maybe eventual probowlers. You can 1) get either one right now while you are in a good draft position to get one or 2) wait till next year where there will be even more uncertainty. I am sure it'll be the same old story. Great QB class in May and [BAD WORD REMOVED] by December. Always happens.

Quote:Teddy Bridgewater would be put in the same conversation as Andrew Luck if he played better competition. 

 

Says who? Andrew Luck is almost two inches taller and much heavier. Nobody ever said he is too small.

Quote:He's got a weak arm. Not much velocity to drive the ball deep.  He's a dink and dunk passer.

So how far did you have to dig in your [BLEEP] to find this one?

Quote:So how far did you have to dig in your [BAD WORD REMOVED] to find this one?

Obviously you've never seen Teddy's "deep" ball.

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Watch our very own "ball hawking safety" Johnathan Cyprien LOL, make Teddy look like a fool.


If he has the velocity the ball gets there on time. But he doesn't and he throws a pick instead. Teddy is going to face a tough challenge going against real NFL defenses compared to FIU's.

Quote:Obviously you've never seen Teddy's "deep" ball.

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Watch our very own "ball hawking safety" Johnathan Cyprien LOL, make Teddy look like a fool.


If he has the velocity the ball gets there on time. But he doesn't and he throws a pick instead. Teddy is going to face a tough challenge going against real NFL defenses compared to FIU's.

He's not talking about his deep ball. He's talking about him being a dink and dunk QB which he is not. He excels 20-25 yards down the field. He's also very good at short throws and screens, which is perfect for today's NFL which is mainly intermediate-short throws. 

 

Strength of competition has no effect on whether a QB is successful in the NFL or not. 

Quote:There's also questions about whether he's just a product of his system. Lots of short-intermediate passes that help inflate stats.

Lol a guy has inflated stats in a run heavy offense? Now thats a first haha give me a break 

Quote:Lol a guy has inflated stats in a run heavy offense? Now thats a first haha give me a break 

He has an inflated completion percentage because of how many passes he throws don't break 5 yards. 

Quote:He has an inflated completion percentage because of how many passes he throws don't break 5 yards. 

WHAT. AHAHAHAHA, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 

 

Go to sleep kid.

Teddy measures in at barely 6'2, 214 with over 9" hands. That's not "great" measurables, but its certainly good enough. It makes me laugh when I look at NFL.com's report on Bridgewater listing his weaknesses as "frame" and "deep ball accuracy", then proceed to type out a much longer list of "doesn't do this" and "does this too often" on Blake Bortles...yet Bortles gets the higher grade score. Ah how the 6'5, 235 athlete can really blind people.

Quote:His NFL.com draft profile states his "passing stats are padded from operating a passing game that relies heavily on short, lateral tosses."

 

Again, the weak competition helps whether you agree or disagree.

 

Folks also are quick to brush off the fact his stats are nearly identical to those of Joe Ganz (a QB that's not even NFL caliber) in the very same system.

 

Odd how you're not allowed to make observations or ask questions about Ted.  Not that you really get an answer to the tough ones, though.  They're merely brushed aside.  Why is that?  All for naught, as it's just another question that will go unanswered.

 

The problem is you are "scouting report" scouting, whereas those who are pro-Bridgewater actually you know...watch him rather than rattle off what NFL.com said about him.

And lastly...straight from Gus Bradley's mouth:

 

Timing, Accuracy, Decision making

 

There is no QB who personifies those traits in this draft (and possibly last several drafts) better than Bridgewater. If those are the traits that Bradley and Gus are emphasizing...then the QB they want is Bridge...not Manziel (timing, decision making) or Bortles (who is good at those things, but still behind Teddy).

 

Every time I've heard Gus and Dave talk about what they'd want out of a QB, it always leads me to believe that if they were to take a QB high, it will be Teddy or Blake.

Quote:His NFL.com draft profile states his "passing stats are padded from operating a passing game that relies heavily on short, lateral tosses."

 

Again, the weak competition helps whether you agree or disagree.

 

Folks also are quick to brush off the fact his stats are nearly identical to those of Joe Ganz (a QB that's not even NFL caliber) in the very same system.

 

Odd how you're not allowed to make observations or ask questions about Ted.  Not that you really get an answer to the tough ones, though.  They're merely brushed aside.  Why is that?  All for naught, as it's just another question that will go unanswered.

 

BTW...this is the kind of "logic" that gets Aaron Rodgers to fall into the the 20s simply because he played in the same system (and was coached by the same guy) as Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, and Kyle Boller.

 

You don't scout the team, and you don't scout the system....scout the player.

 

If anything, certain systems will make it more difficult to scout a player (see Carr, Derek). But since Bridgewater is playing in a pro-style offense, it actually makes it easier to get a better gauge of what he can do and can't do once he gets to the Pros.

Quote:He has an inflated completion percentage because of how many passes he throws don't break 5 yards. 

Dude I just refuted that two pages ago. Out of the top 4 QBs he has the lowest % of completions sub 5 yards, and less than half of the % behind the LOS as the other 3. 

 

Quote:Teddy measures in at barely 6'2, 214 with over 9" hands. That's not "great" measurables, but its certainly good enough. It makes me laugh when I look at NFL.com's report on Bridgewater listing his weaknesses as "frame" and "deep ball accuracy", then proceed to type out a much longer list of "doesn't do this" and "does this too often" on Blake Bortles...yet Bortles gets the higher grade score. Ah how the 6'5, 235 athlete can really blind people.

No Teddy doesnt have great measurables.  And you have to wonder will he be 214 pounds throughout the course of an entire season.  Or has he just padded his weight for the combine and then will naturally slim down due to his smaller frame.

 

But again, we're talking top 5 pick here.  Top 5 picks are supposed to be elite prospects.  Ideally you are getting a guy who is a great player, is great physically, has all the natural tools, etc...  People can say Manziel is a similar size to Russell Wilson.  People can say Teddy is a similar size to Brees.  But those guys are considered small for their position and neither of them were drafted top 5.  There is more risk to missing a top 5 pick so there is more scrutiny.

Quote:Says who? Andrew Luck is almost two inches taller and much heavier. Nobody ever said he is too small.

I didn't mean this thread, I meant his draft stock coming out. He is a more accurate passer and makes better decisions than Luck did coming out.. 

Quote:He is honestly not as good of a passer as Manziel, that's why, most of these people know Johnny will be better than Teddy but they don't want to admit they were wrong in the past. I miss TMD, i wish he was unbanned.

I'll give you a pass for being so young but what you said here was pretty dumb.


Oh and by the way, Teddy was TMD's favorite a QB in this draft.

Quote:I'll give you a pass for being so young but what you said here was pretty dumb.


Oh and by the way, Teddy was TMD's favorite a QB in this draft.

 

Seriously doubt this guy is the 13 year old kid he's pretending to be. Heck, it might be TMD himself.

Quote:No, he was always too lanky. The Teddy you see on film is the 195 version, no one knows what the 215 version will play like.

 

So you think adding 20 lbs of muscle will make his decision making worse?  Will it take away his ability to throw outside the lines?  Will it make his arm weaker?  Seriously, people wanted to see if he could beef up his frame.  He did.  Now you're complaining about it.

Quote:He has an inflated completion percentage because of how many passes he throws don't break 5 yards. 

 

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Just because they say that doesn't mean it's true. His 'short, lateral tosses', which to me mean 5 yards or less, equal a smaller % than any of the top 4 QBs in this class. 

 




 

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You want to think this over again?  He throws by far less screens than any other of the top QBs, has just as much intermediate, and more 6-10 yard passes.  Proven wrong you are.  The force is not strong in this one.