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He ain't good.

Quote:Weren't you clamoring for the Jags to get Ferentz from Iowa a while back?

 

 

Quote:When there were rumors about him possibly having ties with Gene, yes. 

 

Point?

 

 

Quote:He ain't good.

 

Oh, ok....

 

He's had like one losing season in the past 6 years, and 2 losing seasons in his past 13 seasons coaching......at IOWA (not exactly the recruiting hotbed....)......and "he ain't good".....

 

'k....

When is the last time you heard of him being courted by an NFL team for any position? 5 or more losses 7 of the last 9 years in a weak conference. If he is such a great coach why hasn't a big boy conference tried to snatch him and his inflated contract up? The answer: he ain't good.

Not for the NFL he ain't.

Quote:When is the last time you heard of him being courted by an NFL team for any position? 5 or more losses 7 of the last 9 years in a weak conference. If he is such a great coach why hasn't a big boy conference tried to snatch him and his inflated contract up? The answer: he ain't good.

 

I'll give the MB standard response....

 

How do you know that other college teams in big boy Conferences haven't made overtures?? :whistling: 

So.. you can't name the last time his name was even mentioned by anyone of merit as being a candidate for an NFL head coaching or coordinator role. You don't see how losing 5 or more games 7 of the past 9 years in a garbage conference might imply he isn't all that. And you imply or suspect an AD from a better conference at some point in the past 5 or so years considered matching or exceeding his $4M a year contract since he's so amazing. Am I getting it right?

Quote:So.. you can't name the last time his name was even mentioned by anyone of merit as being a candidate for an NFL head coaching or coordinator role. You don't see how losing 5 or more games 7 of the past 9 years in a garbage conference might imply he isn't all that. And you imply or suspect an AD from a better conference at some point in the past 5 or so years considered matching or exceeding his $4M a year contract since he's so amazing. Am I getting it right?

 

You can spin it that way and I can spin that he's only had 2 losing seasons in his last THIRTEEN years coaching.......at IOWA. ....Iowa. 

It ain't spin. He isn't being mentioned or seriously considered. When his contract expires or if he gets canned, we will see what happens.

Quote:I'll give the MB standard response....

 

How do you know that other college teams in big boy Conferences haven't made overtures?? :whistling:

 

Without giving an opinion on Ferentz either way, I am curious as to how the Big Ten is NOT a "big boy" conference.

Well historically, I think two, maybe three teams in the conference have winning bowl records which is an indication on how they stack up against other conferences. Ohio St. Has a notoriously awful strength of schedule because they choose not to play non conference games against decent teams. The big names of yesteryear like Penn St. and Nebraska are shells of their former selves. As another barometer, they had less draft picks in the 2013 draft than: the SEC, the ACC, the Pac-12, the Big 12, and the Big East which was only higher than the like of Conference USA, the Mountain West, the MAC, WAC, Sun Belt and Independents. And Ferentz who I am supposed to believe is a solid coach worthy of NFL consideration still lost 5 or more games in 7 of the last 9 years in this division.

Quote:Without giving an opinion on Ferentz either way, I am curious as to how the Big Ten is NOT a "big boy" conference.

 

He suggested it, I didn't. Post 123.

I made the allegation. He just repeated it. ..and didn't feel the need to try to correct me.

Quote:I made the allegation. He just repeated it. ..and didn't feel the need to try to correct me.

 

I like to stick to the main point you were discussing -  Which was Ferentz'. Was less concerned with the validity of your big 10 statement at that time. 

Yeah.. on that point, you originally said "Every head coach you've been uber high on and advised the Jags to hire when they had or should have had an opening, i.e. Harbaugh, Kelly, McCoy, O'Brien, has been a good one." (I'm paraphrasing here)

 

I asked you to provide supportive evidence in the case of O'Brien in another thread and you basically boiled it down to it, like, just being your opinion, man.  Which is all well and good, but is still not really evidence.

 

Then I argued a series of points on Ferentz whom you had previously pounded the table (Viva Kouvaris!) for and whom I do not feel is worthy of a head coaching job in the NFL, and you, again, provided no real evidence as to why he is a good coach other than the fact he has had two losing seasons in an average-at-best conference in thirteen years, despite the fact no NFL team has come calling on him "publicly" for any position.  And I was accused of "spinning" things by providing facts to support my notion that he is..   "meh."

 

So..  again, we are at an impasse where your opinion, with lack of any tangible supportive evidence, supersedes facts or at the very least compelling arguments I make to support the theories that O'Brien and Ferentz, who may some day hoist a dozen Lombardi trophies each (in theory) have done and shown nothing to validate the position you take that they are not only very good coaches, but coaches the Jaguars should or should have hired, presumably instead of the current staff.

I don't see how only 2 losing seasons out of 13 doesn't illustrate a solid head coach. If the Jags could get that sort of production from a head coach, he'd be considered amongst the top 5 in the league. 

Watching the Seahawks does not excite me about the future of the Jaguars at all. When I watch them play Sunday I will not think about any other team except the 49ers. I have no reason to think about the Jaguars when I root against the Seahawks (if the Broncos win) or for Seattle (if the Patriots win).

 

I only care about one Seahawks player - #40 FB Derrick Coleman - who will be on the field Sunday because Percy Harvin is out. Why should I care what they do now with a different defensive coordinator? Nothing Seattle did during the 2013 season had anything to do with the Jaguars.

 

I am very excited about watching the Seahawks Sunday because I care who will represent the NFC in Super Bowl 48 and want to see Coleman play.

Quote:I don't see how only 2 losing seasons out of 13 doesn't illustrate a solid head coach. If the Jags could get that sort of production from a head coach, he'd be considered amongst the top 5 in the league.

A great coach would not tolerate 5 or more losses 7 of the past 9 years in a sub-par (my opinion) conference. That's college ball. Much harder to get Ws in the pros. How many solid college coaches flame out in the NFL? What argument can you make that an average to above average coach (based on record and signature wins - or lack thereof) would be a solid choice to be an NFL coach? Make one or yield.

Quote:He suggested it, I didn't. Post 123.

I did not mean to suggest you suggested that.

Quote:and Dan LeFevour

And Greg schiono

To think that Seattle was in a very similar situation as we were years ago, and now they're heading to the Super Bowl with Pete Carroll. And this is supposed to be the same team that Bradley is trying to build off of.

 

Make no mistake about it. Brighter days are certainly ahead for the Jaguars.