Take this for what it is worth. Two "reputable" attorneys in Tallahassee tweeting this:
Zach Ward @UnrealZachWard 1h
At Leon County Courthouse. Chatter is that there will not be charges in the #JameisWinston case. #FSU #rumors
Ethan Andrew Way @waylawfirmpa 1h
Courthouse buzz is strong WILL NOT be charged. Prosecutors are being safe to fully CYA.
Quote:No one in the public has enough information to come to any conclusion right now. We have no idea if she was raped or not.
Has the public not learned anything after the Duke rape case?
I 100% agree with this, which is why I think its interesting that so many are defending Winston. They really dont know either way exactly what happened to support either. Even if they decide not to prosecute, it didnt mean it didnt happen, it just means they couldnt prove it.
Quote:What? No. He's a rapist.
I dont think there are many out there that are flat out calling him a rapist. Small minority, just like the small minority of FSU fans that would do it to a Gator player if it happened there.
damn even attorneys have twitter now? "refutable" ones.
Quote:I 100% agree with this, which is why I think its interesting that so many are defending Winston. They really dont know either way exactly what happened to support either. Even if they decide not to prosecute, it didnt mean it didnt happen, it just means they couldnt prove it.
Right, but even if they don't prosecute, doesn't mean he did do it. Either way, information will come out eventually that'll help piece this puzzling story.
So let me get this straight. Guys can now have consensual sex with a girl then leave without spending the obligatory rest of the night with her.
Quote:Right, but even if they don't prosecute, doesn't mean he did do it. Either way, information will come out eventually that'll help piece this puzzling story.
Info is out.
They hooked up (consentaully)
He left to get his gf from airport
She got upset
Quote:Info is out.
They hooked up (consentaully)
He left to get his gf from airport
She got upset
That is what I've heard as well, but unless I missed it being confirmed, those are still rumors.
Quote:What? No. He's a rapist.
Thank God --- I'm so sick of this double standard !!! It's especially bad for the "real victims of rape."
Win(d) is changing directions, eh?
That's blow-back.
The entire Gator-infested media combination was involved in this. They care nothing for either the accuser or the accused.
Now that the win(d) is shifting, they just want it all to go away.
Quote:Is that you, Urban or just nervous your new head coach has all this Hernandez baggage to account for?
What does Urban and Hendandez have to do with Winston and the possible rape? I really think you're just grasping at straws here.
Quote:You have no idea what you are talking about. Stop the pious act, or tell all of us exactly what you want us to think?
The cat drag you in, eh?
http://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-...the-huddle
Here's some bullet points
• Hernandez was a heavy user of angel dust, and had become so paranoid over the last year that he carried a gun wherever he went.
• He surrounded himself with a cohort of gangsters, and cut himself off from his family and teammates.
• Hernandez had so infuriated his head coach, Bill Belichick, with missed practices and thug-life stunts, that he was one misstep from being cut.
• Both his parents, Dennis and Terri, had criminal records, as did much of his extended family.
• Terri allegedly cheated on Dennis before his death with a violent drug dealer named Jeffrey Cummings, then married Cummings after Dennis died and moved him into the house she shared with Aaron.
• In college his coach (then-University of Florida head coach Urban Meyer) may have helped cover up failed drug tests, along with two violent incidents — an assault and a drive-by shootout outside a local bar.
Now, we are getting somewhere.
"Boy, what is it with you people? You think not getting caught in a lie is the same thing as telling the truth?" - Joe Turner (character) - 'Three Days Of The Condor', 1975
Once again, what in the [Mark May] does this have to do with Jameis Winston?
Quote:No one in the public has enough information to come to any conclusion right now. We have no idea if she was raped or not.
Has the public not learned anything after the Duke rape case?
This I agree with. But to proclaim it's all a UF conspiracy against FSU is assenine.
Quote:The entire Gator-infested media combination was involved in this. They care nothing for either the accuser or the accused.
Now that the win(d) is shifting, they just want it all to go away.
This is getting ridiculous. Somehow Urban Meyer, Hernandez, and UF are all involved in a conspiracy against Winston and FSU?
I don't get what your stance is on this issue. I haven't seen anyone proclaim "He did it, grab the torches an pitchforks" but I have definitely noticed that from square 1, with hardly enough information to form a coherent sentence, you've decided that there is no way, not even a sliver of a chance, that he's even possibly guilty.
Now it's all a big conspiracy, involving UF? Nothing you've posted on this issue even resembles someone capable of critical thought.
BTW, you still haven't pointed out even 1 of the supposed 3 times she lied to investigators. It's hard to take anything you say seriously.
Quote:Once an accusation of a possible crime has been made, the police department has the full responsibility for managing, and conducting a full thorough investigation.
The fact that there was a gap in DNA testing between the victim and Winston, shows that TPD did not manage proper oversight of the investigation regardless if the victim was cooperating or not. If there was not enough evidence to request a search warrant to submit DNA, why couldn't TPD just simply request Winston voluntarily submit a sample? Also, the status of this investigation changed from open inactive to open active demonstrated that TPD only took the accusation seriously once it became public.
IMO TPD did an injustice to BOTH the victim for causing pain and suffering by letting this linger and causing her to relocate, and to Winston by not having a conclusion to this case already. There have been sexual assault cases come before police departments before and have been handled more professionally. The damage is already done.
As a FSU alum and fan who proudly supports his alma-mater,Im not trying to hang anyone out to dry, nor deflect blame. No one here can do that, plus the only people who knew whether it was consensual or forced was the victim and Winston.
1. ) By all accounts, the TPD did conduct an investigation as thorough as they were capable of conducting. It's your
opinion that they haven't.
2. ) A DNA sample was obtained on the date of the alleged rape. According to the police, the accuser stopped responding to their calls. If the police couldn't get in contact with the victim, then the TPD will move forward with cases that have victims that actually want to pursue it. There are a finite number of investigators at the TPD. They're only capable of a certain amount of work. Expecting them to be able to conduct a "full thorough investigation" implies that they have enough investigators to do it.
I can't speak for Florida, but the State of Georgia's GBI is backed up on their DNA testing. For a case like this one, where the victim doesn't want to pursue, then it will take upwards of a year to get results back. Depending on the Department, the testing may have been stored into evidence and forgotten about. The length of time in this case is irrelevant because it supports the known facts surrounding it.
3. ) "Pain and suffering"? C'mon. If that isn't sensationalism, then I don't know what is. They didn't cause her to relocate. I'd love for you to explain this one.
Please explain how this could've been handled better. I understand that the police, or whichever investigating entity, is usually the one to suffer the brunt of the blame. The TPD supposedly has an e-mail saying that the victim didn't want to pursue anything. It is logistically impossible to conduct a full investigation on every crime. Imposssible. When the victim tells you to give it up or doesn't cooperate, then those cases are put aside.
Let's assume the TPD got Winston's DNA sample and arrested him knowing that the victim didn't want to prosecute. What would you say when Winston got before a judge with no victim present? No victim, no crime.
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This I agree with. But to proclaim it's all a UF conspiracy against FSU is assenine.
jungle cat obviously thinks there is a huge conspiracy going on. I typically think things are more easily explained. Until I see evidence of the uf conspiracy it'll be just that.
Quote:This is getting ridiculous. Somehow Urban Meyer, Hernandez, and UF are all involved in a conspiracy against Winston and FSU?
I don't get what your stance is on this issue. I haven't seen anyone proclaim "He did it, grab the torches an pitchforks" but I have definitely noticed that from square 1, with hardly enough information to form a coherent sentence, you've decided that there is no way, not even a sliver of a chance, that he's even possibly guilty.
Now it's all a big conspiracy, involving UF? Nothing you've posted on this issue even resembles someone capable of critical thought.
BTW, you still haven't pointed out even 1 of the supposed 3 times she lied to investigators. It's hard to take anything you say seriously.
I am surprised so many of you are taking the bait.