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Quote:Per ESPN:  Jameis was also part of some BB gun battle in an apartment complex.

 

Also, somebody complained that he was stealing soda at a fast food place or something.  HAHA.  Dude is guilty.

 

Do we really want the Heisman to be some soda-stealing punk?  I think not.

 

So within the span of a year, the Tallahassee cops have been called 3 different times for incidences related to Winston breaking the law?  Sounds like a great young man.  

Quote:Per ESPN:  Jameis was also part of some BB gun battle in an apartment complex.

 

Also, somebody complained that he was stealing soda at a fast food place or something.  HAHA.  Dude is guilty.

 

Do we really want the Heisman to be some soda-stealing punk?  I think not.

 

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What am I missing? I don't get it.

Quote:What am I missing? I don't get it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4uiiy0qgA

Quote:So within the span of a year, the Tallahassee cops have been called 3 different times for incidences related to Winston breaking the law? Sounds like a great young man.

And wasn't charged with anything in the other two incidents. You're joking right?

Quote:So within the span of a year, the Tallahassee cops have been called 3 different times for incidences related to Winston breaking the law?  Sounds like a great young man.  

 

It's the Gator-infested media combination attempting to misguide the public away from the Aaron Hernandez murder cover-up. Meyer and Tebow should be looked at for aiding and abetting, or even possibly looked at as co-defendants.

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/feature/the-...the-huddle

 

Enter the University of Florida and the messiah, Urban Meyer, who persuaded Hernandez to renege on UConn and come to Gainesville. 

 

Meyer brought him in for face-to-face meetings, reading Scripture in his office each morning. He assigned Mike and Maurkice Pouncey, twin All-American linemen, to baby-sit Hernandez, and detailed Tim Tebow, the truest of believers, to be his life instructor. But even Tebow couldn’t save him from himself once Hernandez got a few beers in his system. The pair went out that April to a bar near campus, where the underage Hernandez had an argument with a waiter and punched him in the head as he walked away. Michael Taphorn suffered a ruptured eardrum, but didn’t press charges on Hernandez, telling the cops he was talking to Florida coaches, according to a police report. The matter seems to have been settled quietly out of court, which was fine with Gainesville cops and the DA. They treated the punch-out as a juvie offense, giving Hernandez a deferred prosecution on the hush.

 

He could have written his own ticket if he’d kept his nose clean: been a high-first-rounder in the 2010 NFL draft and pulled an eight-figure bonus to sign. Instead, he cemented his don’t-touch rep by getting embroiled in a shooting outside a bar. “He was out with the Pounceys and [ex-Gator safety] Reggie Nelson, and some guys tried to snatch a chain off one of the Pounceys,” says the local reporter. “The guys drive off, then stop at a light, and someone gets out of a car and shoots into their car through the passenger window. One victim described the shooter as possibly Hispanic or Hawaiian, with lots of tattoos on his arms.” The Pounceys were questioned as witnesses to the crime, but Hernandez invoked his right to counsel and never gave a statement, most odd since he was also called as a witness. No charges have ever been filed, and the case is still open. Again, he walked away unscathed: He wasn’t even named in the police report. In hindsight, it might have been the worst thing for him. He seems to have concluded, with an abundance of probable cause, that he was untouchable.

 

“We didn’t hear that story till much, much later – the police didn’t file a report,” says a local reporter who was covering the team. As a sophomore, Hernandez was benched for the season opener, meaning he’d likely failed drug tests over the summer. But Meyer denied it, saying he “wasn’t ready to play,” again giving cover for bad behavior. “Meyer kept us at such a distance,” says the reporter, “or flat-out lied, that we couldn’t verify a pot suspension.”


Hernandez would fail other drug tests, according to reports, and should have faced bans for up to half a season, per school regulations. Instead, he didn’t miss a single snap, though he was seen hanging out with a crew of thugs at a local bar.

 

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As they say, "sometimes the best defense is a good offense".

 

While it was comical to petition the White House to pressure the Jaguars to sign Tebow, maybe a real petition to the same address to direct USDOJ investigators to explore and settle Florida is a better idea?

Quote:And wasn't charged with anything in the other two incidents. You're joking right?

 

Poor kid must be snakebit!  always in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Quote:So within the span of a year, the Tallahassee cops have been called 3 different times for incidences related to Winston breaking the law?  Sounds like a great young man.  

 

A BB gun incident and pouring soda into a water cup at a Burger King. Big deal. College kids being college kids.

Quote:A BB gun incident and pouring soda into a water cup at a Burger King. Big deal. College kids being college kids.

 

I always ask for a water cup and add ~ 10% lemonade to flavor my water.  I'm crazy like that.

Quote:I always ask for a water cup and add ~ 10% lemonade to flavor my water.  I'm crazy like that.

 

I did that at The Loop once.

 

Thug life.

Quote:A BB gun incident and pouring soda into a water cup at a Burger King. Big deal. College kids being college kids.

 

I have done this so many times it is ridiculous. 

Quote:Poor kid must be snakebit! always in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yeah, big time trouble maker. They should throw the book at him for pouring coke in a water cup. Man, kids these days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAWciDfPLbY

 

Stealing even a wheez of juice is wrong. No matter how many sacks of fast food hamburgers McDonald's throws out during the average day; that's OK, and not a sin, nor is it anything near a tolerated corporate double-standard.

 

Bad puppies. Bad, bad puppies.

Quote:1. ) By all accounts, the TPD did conduct an investigation as thorough as they were capable of conducting. It's your opinion that they haven't.  And its your opinion that they conducted an thorough investigation as well. That's the main purpose of a message board, to discuss opinions.  


 

2. ) A DNA sample was obtained on the date of the alleged rape. According to the police, the accuser stopped responding to their calls. If the police couldn't get in contact with the victim, then the TPD will move forward with cases that have victims that actually want to pursue it. There are a finite number of investigators at the TPD. They're only capable of a certain amount of work. Expecting them to be able to conduct a "full thorough investigation" implies that they have enough investigators to do it. Again, it dosent matter if the accuser stopped cooperating with investigators. TPD has a duty and responsibility to obtain a DNA sample within a reasonable amount of time from the alleged suspect whether through a search warrant, or voluntarily. (Excluding this case)Suppose the alleged suspect had an STD, do you think its the PD's responsibility to get a DNA test from him? Police Departments all over the country can efficiently delegate more investigators to certain departments within their training, or give them overtime. We see this happen with Natural Disasters, spike in Homicides, etc. 


 

I can't speak for Florida, but the State of Georgia's GBI is backed up on their DNA testing. For a case like this one, where the victim doesn't want to pursue, then it will take upwards of a year to get results back. Depending on the Department, the testing may have been stored into evidence and forgotten about. The length of time in this case is irrelevant because it supports the known facts surrounding it. ​See above for my statement regarding investigator reassignment.  The length of time in this case is relevant because again the TPD could have had this case either closed or farther along than where it currently is if they got a DNA swab from Winston right after this incident.


 

3. ) "Pain and suffering"? C'mon. If that isn't sensationalism, then I don't know what is. They didn't cause her to relocate. I'd love for you to explain this one. So if the victim did suffer some form of a sexual assault, the pain and suffering is considered "sensationalism"? If Winston is found to have NEVER even committed a sexual assault and he went through pain and suffering, that's considered "sensationalism" as well? 


 

Please explain how this could've been handled better. I understand that the police, or whichever investigating entity, is usually the one to suffer the brunt of the blame. The TPD supposedly has an e-mail saying that the victim didn't want to pursue anything. It is logistically impossible to conduct a full investigation on every crime. Imposssible. When the victim tells you to give it up or doesn't cooperate, then those cases are put aside. Ive already explained in my previous detailed response earlier in this thread, and explained it in your second question.  If it was logistically impossible to conduct a full investigation on every crime, then you would see every  violent crime triple statistically. Police Departments just dont say "Okay well the alleged victim dosent want to cooperate, we are busy investigating other crimes, we can put this crime aside". They have to investigate why the victim isnt cooperating, they have to find out if the victim is being threatened, coerced into saying she was lying, etc. 


 

Let's assume the TPD got Winston's DNA sample and arrested him knowing that the victim didn't want to prosecute. What would you say when Winston got before a judge with no victim present? No victim, no crime. With the example question you just provided,  a<b>t that point it dosent matter if the victim didnt want to go through with the trial. A good prosecution team can present their case without having the victim testify, although it would be a slam dunk for them if the victim did decide to take the stand. There could be plenty of reasons why she may not want to take the stand.  a rape kit was performed, and all medical personnel  involved has come to the conclusion a sexual assault has taken place could be suffice for any sexual assault case.</b>

Quote:Personally, I think the 2 week delay hurts WInston (Heisman)

 

I believe the voters are going to sway toward McCarron --- i think character is going to go a long way in voting and although this isn't about lifetime achievements, this is the perfect year to justify the vote.

 

Jameis = Innocent of Rape, Guilty of Stupidity.  Dude, you have a hot chick playing hoops for Rice University who was boarding a plane to visit you .....

 

He is toast, the voters may not say it now but with this lingering they are more concerned with the image of the Heisman Award than worrying if the right player deserves the award.

 

Quote:Read the new article on ESPN.  Only 3% of voters will be swayed, which is basically nothing out of about 900 voters.

 

So his lawyer's request to the DA for a quicker decision is pointless.  I think this is a desperation move.  They fear the incoming doom and tried to get a sense of what the decision might be.  

 

Read about the Bradley affect.

 

Quote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4uiiy0qgA

 

Im still high off that song 3 weeks later, I cant get that out of my head.

 

Quote:A BB gun incident and pouring soda into a water cup at a Burger King. Big deal. College kids being college kids.

 

Im just waiting for the trolls to pounce on him urinating in the street or drinking under-age.

 

Quote:I always ask for a water cup and add ~ 10% lemonade to flavor my water.  I'm crazy like that.

 

Off topic- have you tried the new Sprite flavors at BK? They are good.

Quote:I have done this so many times it is ridiculous. 

 

They dont care if you order a full meal. If I get something for my self but the girls are not hungry, Ill ask for a couple of water cups and fill them with juice/soda with not problem.

Geez everybody gets a water cup and fills it up with coke or lemonade yet poor ole Jameis is the only one that gets the cops called on him.  Telling ya... kid must be snakebit.  always in the wrong place at the wrong time.

It has never even crossed my mind to get a water glass and fill it with soda without paying for it. You can say it's no big deal all you want, and that "everyone" does it...but it's still wrong.