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Quote:It was the week prior. Against Wake.

Oh ok, thanks.

I don't understand TPD's remarks

I think a lot of people have been quick to jump to Winston's side in this.. Of course if it is a false accusation and the sex was consensual, then this woman is trying to ruin Winston's life.  

 

The police owed it to both Winston and the woman to better investigate this.  Instead they thought they could sweep it under the rug.  They did Winston no favors by doing so.  And they certainly didn't do the woman any justice.  

 

I don't think you can conclude that she decided to go for a money grab, or that she regretted having sex with him after the fact.  At this point, there's not much we can conclude. People love jumping to conclusions with rape cases, and it's absolutely appalling.  For both sides.  Rape cases should be taken seriously.  Football player or not.  It's going to turn into a 'he said, she said'.  I don't think Winston will end up being found guilty -- but I'm not sure if that's because he's not or not.    


I'm sure the Winston camp will come out and say it was consensual.  It's curious that the lawyer didn't have Winston do that when he was informed of the case initially.  Along with witnesses to back up Winston's story -- who'd have the incident still fresh on their mind.  But I guess he thought it could just 'go away'.  Whether he let Winston know or not will probably never be known.  

 

To side with either person at this point is jumping to conclusions.  Too many people are willing to proclaim him guilty from the get go, and too many people are willing to proclaim her as an accuser who regretted having sex after the fact.  A lot of people are looking at it as Winston losing out on the heisman.  But if it was sexual assault then the woman has been damaged a lot more than losing a heisman.  

 

One thing that can be said of this case -- is that the police department did an awful job all around.  Accusations of rape should be taken seriously -- always.  It's why so many rapes go unreported.  When it's taken seriously, the facts can be better gathered.  

Quote:I'm sure the Winston camp will come out and say it was consensual.  It's curious that the lawyer didn't have Winston do that when he was informed of the case initially.  Along with witnesses to back up Winston's story -- who'd have the incident still fresh on their mind.  But I guess he thought it could just 'go away'.  Whether he let Winston know or not will probably never be known.  

 

Because he doesn't have to say anything. And most attorneys would rather their client excercise their right to not incrinminate oneself.

Quote:I think a lot of people have been quick to jump to Winston's side in this.. Of course if it is a false accusation and the sex was consensual, then this woman is trying to ruin Winston's life.  

 

The police owed it to both Winston and the woman to better investigate this.  Instead they thought they could sweep it under the rug.  They did Winston no favors by doing so.  And they certainly didn't do the woman any justice.  

 

I don't think you can conclude that she decided to go for a money grab, or that she regretted having sex with him after the fact.  At this point, there's not much we can conclude. People love jumping to conclusions with rape cases, and it's absolutely appalling.  For both sides.  Rape cases should be taken seriously.  Football player or not.  It's going to turn into a 'he said, she said'.  I don't think Winston will end up being found guilty -- but I'm not sure if that's because he's not or not.    

I'm sure the Winston camp will come out and say it was consensual.  It's curious that the lawyer didn't have Winston do that when he was informed of the case initially.  Along with witnesses to back up Winston's story -- who'd have the incident still fresh on their mind.  But I guess he thought it could just 'go away'.  Whether he let Winston know or not will probably never be known.  

 

To side with either person at this point is jumping to conclusions.  Too many people are willing to proclaim him guilty from the get go, and too many people are willing to proclaim her as an accuser who regretted having sex after the fact.  A lot of people are looking at it as Winston losing out on the heisman.  But if it was sexual assault then the woman has been damaged a lot more than losing a heisman.  

 

One thing that can be said of this case -- is that the police department did an awful job all around.  Accusations of rape should be taken seriously -- always.  It's why so many rapes go unreported.  When it's taken seriously, the facts can be better gathered.  

 

11th DR, every attorney would advise their client to do the same thing as to not self incriminate.  That doesn't imply Winston was hoping it would go away.  Again, every attorney would give their client the same advice.

 

I'm seeing more people accuse him on this board of being guilty then anyone saying he is innocent.  Thing is, there is a ton of information they aren't telling us.  To come to any conclusion at this point is premature.

Quote:This Message goes out To Jameis_Fried_Chicken, BigJohn98, Shack Del Rio, and jtmoney...now that they found his DNA on her undies... you all can shut your troll mouths... Get off this board unless you can post something legitimate... Thank you..Im out!

 

Gotta love this clown's logic.

 

DNA found on underwear=RAPE!

Quote:Gotta love this clown's logic.

 

DNA found on underwear=RAPE!

 

This is interesting: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZmqwUOCQAArssl.jpg:large

 

Again, there is so much unknown like if they had a prior relationship.  We don't know anything and kind of sad that a poster "David" would keep responding the way he has.  

Quote:This is interesting: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZmqwUOCQAArssl.jpg:large

 

Again, there is so much unknown like if they had a prior relationship.  We don't know anything and kind of sad that a poster "David" would keep responding the way he has.  

 

If what is in that link is true, and it was consensual and not rape (which I don't think it is), then IMO that girl deserves any crap she gets.

Quote:11th DR, every attorney would advise their client to do the same thing as to not self incriminate.  That doesn't imply Winston was hoping it would go away.  Again, every attorney would give their client the same advice.

 

I'm seeing more people accuse him on this board of being guilty then anyone saying he is innocent.  Thing is, there is a ton of information they aren't telling us.  To come to any conclusion at this point is premature.

 

Money -- I said the attorney was hoping it would go away, not Winston.  There's a difference between advising your client to not self incriminate, and not telling your client about it at all (which is potentially the case here).  If the relationship was consensual and an on-going relationship there would be a lot to back up Winston's story.  


There's also a difference between accusing him of being guilty and saying he is guilty (which some here are guilty of as well).  Versus saying he's innocent (because he's a football player that a lot of people happen to like).  There's no way we can say one way or another at this point -- but I've already said as much.  Also it's not just this board that jumps the gun.  

Quote:So the story goes. ESPN.com claims to have seen the DNA report from FDLE labs. The ESPN.com report was filed by Mark Schlabach, the author of the book: "What It Means To Be A Gator" with forward by Urban Meyer.

 

The family is obviously being manipulated by University of Florida interests. 

 

It is well-recorded that she had decided to NOT press charges. The accuser is said to have put the matter behind her and was innocently attending classes at FSU up to last week. There's no telling how horrible the horribly savage attack affected her.

 

She suddenly packed up her stuff and moved back to another part of Florida only after the media began to act as a prosecutor. That doesn't sound like an emotionally and mentally damaged young girl at all, does it?

 

Can it be Stockholm Syndrome forced her to move on with her life? And urgently getting her away from her school work would rescue her from the throes of menacing people burying things as the family now claims?

 

The interesting tidbit is the family publicly declared they wanted the matter to remain private. Yet, how can one explain the man that wrote the book on being a Gator somehow got DNA records that only a few close to the investigation are supposed to have?

 

Could it be extortion? Fraud? Blackmail even? Could the aunt be seizing upon her chance to capitalize on her cash cow niece? Was the fact that the case just hung in mid-air for almost a year really have more to do with the accuser attempting to reach a long-term financial deal based on Winston's future earnings rather than police incompetence?

 

Putting the accuser's face on this would really help.

 

Don't believe for a second that the Gator-infested media cares about the accuser at all. Look at what they did to David Garrard in an attempt to pave a path for Tebow.

 

Stay tuned....

Yes...let's start putting rape victims faces out there for everyone to see...that will really help more woman come forward after they are raped!!


Are you serious???



And are you really blaming all this on the gators? Wow

Quote:If the DNA matches, I'm assuming the Winston camp will come out and say the sex was consensual.  And then will it be a he said/she said?  Ugly situation no doubt.

Wonder if those two witnesses of his told the police that he was with her at all...because that kinda wrecks them as credible if their stories don't include him having sex with her willingly.

Quote:I think a lot of people have been quick to jump to Winston's side in this.. Of course if it is a false accusation and the sex was consensual, then this woman is trying to ruin Winston's life.  

 

The police owed it to both Winston and the woman to better investigate this.  Instead they thought they could sweep it under the rug.  They did Winston no favors by doing so.  And they certainly didn't do the woman any justice.  

 

I don't think you can conclude that she decided to go for a money grab, or that she regretted having sex with him after the fact.  At this point, there's not much we can conclude. People love jumping to conclusions with rape cases, and it's absolutely appalling.  For both sides.  Rape cases should be taken seriously.  Football player or not.  It's going to turn into a 'he said, she said'.  I don't think Winston will end up being found guilty -- but I'm not sure if that's because he's not or not.    


I'm sure the Winston camp will come out and say it was consensual.  It's curious that the lawyer didn't have Winston do that when he was informed of the case initially.  Along with witnesses to back up Winston's story -- who'd have the incident still fresh on their mind.  But I guess he thought it could just 'go away'.  Whether he let Winston know or not will probably never be known.  

 

To side with either person at this point is jumping to conclusions.  Too many people are willing to proclaim him guilty from the get go, and too many people are willing to proclaim her as an accuser who regretted having sex after the fact.  A lot of people are looking at it as Winston losing out on the heisman.  But if it was sexual assault then the woman has been damaged a lot more than losing a heisman.  

 

One thing that can be said of this case -- is that the police department did an awful job all around.  Accusations of rape should be taken seriously -- always.  It's why so many rapes go unreported.  When it's taken seriously, the facts can be better gathered.

Winston hadn't started having the year he's been having at the time of the alleged attack...that's the one thing that makes it hard to believe she was just out to ruin him or make money off of him.

Quote:This is interesting: <a class="bbc_url" href='https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZmqwUOCQAArssl.jpg:large'>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZmqwUOCQAArssl.jpg:large</a>

 

Again, there is so much unknown like if they had a prior relationship.  We don't know anything and kind of sad that a poster "David" would keep responding the way he has.

You can be in a relationship with someone and still be raped by them. No means no...period.



I'm not saying he did it, or that she's lying. I don't know. But as a woman, it's important to put that fact out there!

Quote:Winston hadn't started having the year he's been having at the time of the alleged attack...that's the one thing that makes it hard to believe she was just out to ruin him or make money off of him.

There are women out there who will use an accusation for revenge.  But a lot of people quickly assume that's the case in most rape cases. 


More of the story needs to come out before anyone jumps to any conclusion.  Whether it be "Winston is guilty!" or "That girl is just trying to make a name for herself!"

Quote:There are women out there who will use an accusation for revenge.  But a lot of people quickly assume that's the case in most rape cases. 

More of the story needs to come out before anyone jumps to any conclusion.  Whether it be "Winston is guilty!" or "That girl is just trying to make a name for herself!"

I totally agree with you. It's the ones that cry wolf that make it worse for women that are really raped come forward.

Well...this alleged incident isn't going to do much to change the "Criminoles" rep. 

Maybe the TPD should bring in a sketch artist to create a picture of the member in question...

Quote:Maybe the TPD should bring in a sketch artist to create a picture of the member in question...

 

I know all of the details in this case probably confuse you. But when you get older, it will eventually all make sense.

ouch DNA matches winston, hmmmm

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I created my own sketch of the person in question