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Quote:Sign a surly 31 year old currently injured QB? Great plan.

Not saying I want Cutler or anything, but that's a poor argument. The Broncos signed a 35 year old injured QB and that worked out pretty well.

Quote:Not saying I want Cutler or anything, but that's a poor argument. The Broncos signed a 35 year old injured QB and that worked out pretty well.

C'mon Man!

Quote:So what is your definition of tanking then? I'd like to read your brilliant definition of it. But my guess is you won't have anything to say other than insults that would even shame 5 year old kids in the playground.

Well, seeing as you threw the first insult at me. You don't have much to talk about do you?

I am not into theory's but you have to admit a strong case can be made for the new owner wanting to relocate this team.

He hires Mularkey after making Jack Del Rio go to Denver, and we get blown away at every single home game.  Then fires him for a guy whos never even been a Head Coach, Gus Bradely under a GM that has never been a GM before and instead of addressing the QB issuse that was the biggest problem they got rid of the only Offensive Line Member that was considered to be in the top 10, Euguene Monroe for a 5th rounder.

No moves were made to Alex Smith (KC's QB now 7wins) or even a good backup from say the Redskins (Kirk Cousins or even Rex Grossman for example), after watching both Blaine & Chad fail last year under Mularkey did he (gus) think that they would perform better under his coaching?


It seems to me that the owner wants to leave Duval for a city that will make more revenue for his pockets, and by making the team so bad that people dont renew their season tickets next year that might justify to the NFL his request to leave town...

Quote:I am not into theory's but you have to admit a strong case can be made for the new owner wanting to relocate this team.

He hires Mularkey after making Jack Del Rio go to Denver, and we get blown away at every single home game.  Then fires him for a guy whos never even been a Head Coach, Gus Bradely under a GM that has never been a GM before and instead of addressing the QB issuse that was the biggest problem they got rid of the only Offensive Line Member that was considered to be in the top 10, Euguene Monroe for a 5th rounder.

No moves were made to Alex Smith (KC's QB now 7wins) or even a good backup from say the Redskins (Kirk Cousins or even Rex Grossman for example), after watching both Blaine & Chad fail last year under Mularkey did he (gus) think that they would perform better under his coaching?


It seems to me that the owner wants to leave Duval for a city that will make more revenue for his pockets, and by making the team so bad that people dont renew their season tickets next year that might justify to the NFL his request to leave town...

 

Well, I hope not, but you never know....

Quote:I am not into theory's but you have to admit a strong case can be made for the new owner wanting to relocate this team.

He hires Mularkey after making Jack Del Rio go to Denver, and we get blown away at every single home game.  Then fires him for a guy whos never even been a Head Coach, Gus Bradely under a GM that has never been a GM before and instead of addressing the QB issuse that was the biggest problem they got rid of the only Offensive Line Member that was considered to be in the top 10, Euguene Monroe for a 5th rounder.

No moves were made to Alex Smith (KC's QB now 7wins) or even a good backup from say the Redskins (Kirk Cousins or even Rex Grossman for example), after watching both Blaine & Chad fail last year under Mularkey did he (gus) think that they would perform better under his coaching?


 

 

The Colts hired Chuck Pagano, who had never been an NFL head coach before, and Grigson as their GM.  He had never been a GM before.  They shipped away a first round pick on a RB that averaged<4 YPC.  Were those moves a prelude to relocation? 

Quote:The Colts hired Chuck Pagano, who had never been an NFL head coach before, and Grigson as their GM.  He had never been a GM before.  They shipped away a first round pick on a RB that averaged<4 YPC.  Were those moves a prelude to relocation? 

 

  But they have luck on their side... and we have Blaine..

Quote:I am not into theory's but you have to admit a strong case can be made for the new owner wanting to relocate this team.

He hires Mularkey after making Jack Del Rio go to Denver, and we get blown away at every single home game.  Then fires him for a guy whos never even been a Head Coach, Gus Bradely under a GM that has never been a GM before and instead of addressing the QB issuse that was the biggest problem they got rid of the only Offensive Line Member that was considered to be in the top 10, Euguene Monroe for a 5th rounder.

No moves were made to Alex Smith (KC's QB now 7wins) or even a good backup from say the Redskins (Kirk Cousins or even Rex Grossman for example), after watching both Blaine & Chad fail last year under Mularkey did he (gus) think that they would perform better under his coaching?


It seems to me that the owner wants to leave Duval for a city that will make more revenue for his pockets, and by making the team so bad that people dont renew their season tickets next year that might justify to the NFL his request to leave town...

 

Do you guys actually act like this in real life or is this just some message board act you are putting on? You can't actually be this clueless, right?

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It seems to me that the owner wants to leave Duval for a city that will make more revenue for his pockets, and by making the team so bad that people dont renew their season tickets next year that might justify to the NFL his request to leave town...

 Or maybe he actually hired a GM who isn't lying when he says he wants to build through the draft.   Instead of cobbling together a bunch of free agents to maybe scrape out a wildcard birth for a team that will sharply decline in two years or less. 

 

He hired Caldwell and believes him when he says it's gonna take a while to fix it all.   Caldwell's philosophy makes great sense.  It remains to be seen whether or not he can make it work  -  and it sucks that we have to wait more than one season to find out. It really sucks.  But I think that's all that's taking place right now.  Not a relocation conspiracy or even a tanking for a draft position.  

 

The first phase isn't going perfectly - but it's just to early to know very much unfortunately.  I understand your reaction - as the frustration from losing leaves us all grasping for answers at times.  

I think Khan is trying to move the Jaguars to London, and move Fulham FC to Jacksonville.

Quote:I am not into theory's but you have to admit a strong case can be made for the new owner wanting to relocate this team.

He hires Mularkey after making Jack Del Rio go to Denver, and we get blown away at every single home game.  Then fires him for a guy whos never even been a Head Coach, Gus Bradely under a GM that has never been a GM before and instead of addressing the QB issuse that was the biggest problem they got rid of the only Offensive Line Member that was considered to be in the top 10, Euguene Monroe for a 5th rounder.

No moves were made to Alex Smith (KC's QB now 7wins) or even a good backup from say the Redskins (Kirk Cousins or even Rex Grossman for example), after watching both Blaine & Chad fail last year under Mularkey did he (gus) think that they would perform better under his coaching?


It seems to me that the owner wants to leave Duval for a city that will make more revenue for his pockets, and by making the team so bad that people dont renew their season tickets next year that might justify to the NFL his request to leave town..

 

 

So why spend $20+ million on the largest scoreboard in the NFL and around $10 million on other renovations?  Lets make sure we lay out all the facts.

Quote:  But they have luck on their side... and we have Blaine..

 

Was Khan here when we drafted Blaine?

Quote:Please name the team(s) in the past that successfully rebuilt by first becoming the worst team in NFL history.


 

Then explain how Oakland, with just as bad a roster and a cap problem too, managed to at least field a respectable team.

 

Are we the worst team in NFL history? 

 

Additionally, I'm not sure why you're asking me this. I said there's no way to know if it's going to work or not. But I'm one of the, perhaps few, who thinks that, if a hypothetical Top-Ten QB wandered onto this roster, we'd be competitive at worst. 

 

Quote:I no longer have a crush on Carly if that is the case. 

 

I'm not sure if I can confirm or deny. 

Quote:You don't sit in the stands as many have, for many years. You can sit in front of the TV and act like you feel our pain. I certainly don't need a lecture from you, telling me " it's a football team"...

Thick skin? Its thick enough...from years of sitting in 90 degree games for 4 quarters.

Try it. Then lecture.

 

No, I don't, not in Jacksonville. I don't live there, and I never plan to.

 

However, I have sat, for many years, in a hockey arena in front of a putrid product, one of the worst teams I've ever rooted for. Not only that, I sat there during many years of very real relocation threats. None of this "Khan may or may not" nonsense.  This was full-on, league-owned, terrible attendance, you are LITERALLY fifteen minutes away from your team leaving at the end of the season hockey. There was one moment where a payment was due from the city to the league, and the deadline was set to expire in fifteen minutes, and that money was not in the account. Without it, the team was gone. But I was there, through bad play and this. 

 

Different sport, different region, but same exact concept. The criticism is there, and that isn't going to change. What are you going to do, besides suck it up, deal with it and support your team because that's what you do as a fan?

Quote:Are we the worst team in NFL history? 

 

Additionally, I'm not sure why you're asking me this. I said there's no way to know if it's going to work or not. But I'm one of the, perhaps few, who thinks that, if a hypothetical Top-Ten QB wandered onto this roster, we'd be competitive at worst. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No, I don't, not in Jacksonville. I don't live there, and I never plan to.

 

However, I have sat, for many years, in a hockey arena in front of a putrid product, one of the worst teams I've ever rooted for. Not only that, I sat there during many years of very real relocation threats. None of this "Khan may or may not" nonsense.  This was full-on, league-owned, terrible attendance, you are LITERALLY fifteen minutes away from your team leaving at the end of the season hockey. There was one moment where a payment was due from the city to the league, and the deadline was set to expire in fifteen minutes, and that money was not in the account. Without it, the team was gone. But I was there, through bad play and this. 

 

Different sport, different region, but same exact concept. The criticism is there, and that isn't going to change. What are you going to do, besides suck it up, deal with it and support your team because that's what you do as a fan?

 

Good points. 

Quote:I think Khan is trying to move the Jaguars to London, and move Fulham FC to Jacksonville.

Jagswilldestroyyou called.  He wants his next thread title back. 

If I'm Caldwell, you better believe I'm going to say I'm tanking.

 

It would be pretty embarrassing to actually think he was trying to put a winning team on the field.

Quote:Are we the worst team in NFL history? 

 

Isn't it at least a bit disconcerting that the question is reasonable? One can argue that the '76 Bucs were worse, but only as opinion, not statistically.


 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/te...m/1976.htm

 

If the new GM and coaching staff are better than the previous ones, shouldn't we expect a team at least marginally better than --- Worst In NFL History?


 

As Hurrricane so aptly points out, if the Jags are NOT purposely playing this poorly, then what does that say about Caldwell / Bradley? Is this the BEST they can do with a scrub team? Oakland won 2 games so far with even less to start off with, and they didn't do it by spending a lot of money.

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As Hurrricane so aptly points out, if the Jags are NOT purposely playing this poorly, then what does that say about Caldwell / Bradley? Is this the BEST they can do with a scrub team? Oakland won 2 games so far with even less to start off with, and they didn't do it by spending a lot of money.

 

If Oakland had Henne & Gabbert as QB they'd be an identical 0-7. 

 

Pryor makes all the difference, there. 

Quote:Isn't it at least a bit disconcerting that the question is reasonable? One can argue that the '76 Bucs were worse, but only as opinion, not statistically.


 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/te...m/1976.htm

 

If the new GM and coaching staff are better than the previous ones, shouldn't we expect a team at least marginally better than --- Worst In NFL History?


 

As Hurrricane so aptly points out, if the Jags are NOT purposely playing this poorly, then what does that say about Caldwell / Bradley? Is this the BEST they can do with a scrub team? Oakland won 2 games so far with even less to start off with, and they didn't do it by spending a lot of money.

Actually this is easy to answer.

 

Gene Smith gave a lot of average to below average players huge paydays - Poz, Mincey, Lewis, Henne, Laurent Robinson,  etc.  Caldwell comes in and sees the completely talentless roster and realizes the first thing to do is start clearing the books of the dead money and allow the injury-prone, underperforming players like Cox/Knighton/Smith leave in FA and only sign a few young players to 1 year deals. 

 

If you think this is a one year turnaround and that if we draft a franchise QB next year that we're going to be in the same position as the Colts when they drafted Luck, you're sadly mistaken.  This entire roster is being overhauled and you'll see more players cut.  Henne, Gabbert, MJD, Lewis, Meester, Mincey etc. are all going to be gone.  Huge dead money hits on the salary cap so we aren't just going to spend a fortune next year either.

 

This will be a multi-year rebuild through the draft.  They'll likely extend a few players like Marks and Blackmon, pick up a few cheap free agents, but we're not going to go from being an 0-16 team to a playoff contender in 2014.  A more realistic expectation is 4-12 to 6-10.

 

It's about doing it right this time...

Good take navyjagfan, but the NFL is still kinda kooky though.