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MAZIEL HAS NOTHING ON BIG BEN !!!

Quote:I'd take Manziel at the Top of the 2nd round.

 

That would be nice.  I really haven't a clue what Manziel's "draft stock" is going to be come draft time.  But if they can get a stud pass rusher in the 1st and Manziel in the 2nd, I can live with that. 

Quote:Brett Smith plays almost identical to him, and is a couple inches taller, with a slightly stronger arm, better decision making (he makes the same boneheaded plays but not as many), and none of the off field issues. It will purely be level of competition based if Manziel gets drafted ahead of him because Smith is a better pro prospect.

 

Never heard of him.  I'll look into that.  But level of competion is pretty important to Caldwell I think, at least that's what he said. 

Would love manziel he'll bring a attitude and spark this team hasnt had in a long time

Quote:Would love manziel he'll bring a attitude and spark this team hasnt had in a long time

 

Spark?

Quote:Spark?

I think it might be a brand of liquor. Has to be...

I think Manziel will be a stud unlike a lot of people on here, I would be happy with Clowney in the 1st and Manziel in the 2nd.  McShay just moved him to his top 32

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014...-nfl-draft

the more i watch him play, the more i believe. his negatives are fixable and i may not be opposed to using our 2nd rd pick on this kid

Manziel > Bortles

Quote:Manziel > Bortles

 

Both will make great careernbackups for sure.

Quote:Both will make great careernbackups for sure.

I don't know squat about Bortles and I'm only going by what I saw today but I'd take Manziel all day over that.

Quote:I don't know squat about Bortles and I'm only going by what I saw today but I'd take Manziel all day over that.

 

 

I agree. I still wouldnt draft either. Manziel has the mechanics of a athletic woman.

Quote:I agree. I still wouldnt draft either. Manziel has the mechanics of a athletic woman.

whats wrong with his mechanics?

Quote:whats wrong with his mechanics?

 

You can't be serious lol. Have you not see how he hops around on both feet, throw with a weird motion, and runs around with the ball heldmout with his hand barely palming it?

Quote:You can't be serious lol. Have you not see how he hops around on both feet, throw with a weird motion, and runs around with the ball heldmout with his hand barely palming it?

weird motion or not its still pretty accurate and zips the ball. lol barely palming the ball? how clueless are you, he has huge hands.

I'm seen every play of Manziel (I'm an Aggie), and I don't feel that comfortable giving him the keys straight out of college. Manziel is so far above most of his competition in quickness and speed that he still has a lot to learn when it comes to making the right reads (Blitz/Protection & Coverage) and following his progression. He is definitely not a guy who will choose the safe route, because he thinks he can fit in that space and get away from the DE everytime. He can do that stuff now in college, but I have reservations about him doing that in pros. I would see him be some sort of combination of Romo + Flutie, if you can see that. 

 

Other thing with Manziel is that so many of his plays are sort of "backyard football", in which he runs out of the pocket makes some people miss and his receivers find some open spot. It is totally unscripted. Amazing to watch, but I'm not sure how easily it could be replicated in the NFL. Most of his receivers now are big WR that can come down with a jump ball. Blackmon would fit the M. Evans role, if he could get his mind right. CSIII and Ace couldn't do that. He had some of the shifty type receivers last year, that are in the CSIII/Ace mold. Plus the Jags OL has no where near the cohesion and advantage in skill over the defense that A&M's O-line does.

 

Could be a very good starting QB, but I just don't see him fitting with a huge rebuild like is being attempted here in Jax. He would need to be humbled some by starting on the bench for at least part of his 1st season which would never happen here.

Quote:weird motion or not its still pretty accurate and zips the ball. lol barely palming the ball? how clueless are you, he has huge hands.

 

Has nothing to do with hand size. I am referring to how he holds the ball out and never tucks it. He flails it around and he has to get it fixed in the NFL.

Quote:Has nothing to do with hand size. I am referring to how he holds the ball out and never tucks it. He flails it around and he has to get it fixed in the NFL.

having a bigger hand gives you a better grip of the ball therefore you can flail it around as much as you want has a better chance of not fumbling compared to someone with small hands. see what i did there, i used logic. try it sometimes, it should work wonders for you.

Quote:having a bigger hand gives you a better grip of the ball therefore you can flail it around as much as you want has a better chance of not fumbling compared to someone with small hands. see what i did there, i used logic. try it sometimes, it should work wonders for you.

 

That's fantastic.

 

But there is this thing they teach called "ball safety". Contrary to what SEC fans think, the NFL is a much much much higher level of play.

Quote:That's fantastic.

 

But there is this thing they teach called "ball safety". Contrary to what SEC fans think, the NFL is a much much much higher level of play.

lol did you just bring up level of competition?