(01-17-2020, 10:34 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2020, 08:16 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]Correct me if I’m wrong, but with mpeached just means charges are brought up. It’ll take 20 or so Republicans to flip in order for him to be removed. Never gonna happen. It’s 110% a partisan thing. So, if I or someone in my likeness, robbed a bank, and was “proven innocent “ or acquitted, then nothing happens. He’s still the president and more than likely a 2 term-er. The Dems are using this to attempt to bring down his name. Because not only do they hate the guy, they know they have no shot in November. I’m sure the the “normal” Americans, left or right, see through it and how good Trump has actually done. Keeping promises and doing his job as well as exposing the politics of it all. Seriously, what
Is so bad? I really want to know. Because it’s pretty damn sad. Not to mention the precedent you set for politics in our great nation. The left ought to be ashamed of themselves. But, of course; they aren’t. Have some morals.
I’m glad the Rep’s have majority in the senate (and sense). Hopefully the Dems will hurt themselves so bad we have a majority in the house as well. Then we can really make some progress.
What is so bad? Let me try to explain it, slowly.
Trump tried to use the power of the office to maintain his hold on the office.
It's fine if the President holds campaign rallies. His opponents are allowed to do that too.
It's fine if the President meets the troops for a photo op. His opponents can do that too.
It's not fine for him to try to twist another country's arm to get them to interfere in the election. Because his opponents can't do that - he shouldn't be able to either.
You can try to assert that his request had nothing to do with the campaign, but, the evidence so far says it did.
You can try to assert that the arm twisting was part of normal diplomacy, but, the evidence so far says it was not.
The President will be able to submit new evidence to the Senate, but, as things stand, the evidence we have says he violated the Impoundment Control Act in order to also violate the Federal Election Campaign Act.
Oh ok. Not sure what “evidence” you have but whatever. If you don’t think this isn’t just a left hissy fit, I can’t help you.
(01-17-2020, 10:54 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2020, 10:34 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]What is so bad? Let me try to explain it, slowly.
Trump tried to use the power of the office to maintain his hold on the office.
It's fine if the President holds campaign rallies. His opponents are allowed to do that too.
It's fine if the President meets the troops for a photo op. His opponents can do that too.
It's not fine for him to try to twist another country's arm to get them to interfere in the election. Because his opponents can't do that - he shouldn't be able to either.
You can try to assert that his request had nothing to do with the campaign, but, the evidence so far says it did.
You can try to assert that the arm twisting was part of normal diplomacy, but, the evidence so far says it was not.
The President will be able to submit new evidence to the Senate, but, as things stand, the evidence we have says he violated the Impoundment Control Act in order to also violate the Federal Election Campaign Act.
Oh ok. Not sure what “evidence” you have but whatever. If you don’t think this isn’t just a left hissy fit, I can’t help you.
So do you think that he did not try to twist another country's arm to get them to interfere in the election, or do you agree that he did, and it's OK for him to do that?
(01-17-2020, 11:34 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2020, 11:07 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]So do you think that he did not try to twist another country's arm to get them to interfere in the election, or do you agree that he did, and it's OK for him to do that?
He did not "twist another country's arm" to get them to interfere in any election. He asked that Ukraine send any information they had to the Attorney General. That is exactly what a president should do.
Even if Ukraine had additional information on Hunter Biden, giving that information to the AG would not interfere in an election.
So yeah, a hissy fit.
#orangemanbad = anything can be considered an offense, or if needed we can just make up [BLEEP].
Sure, discreetly disclosing evidence of a crime to the attorney general is not election interference.
But that's not what Trump was asking for. Trump was asking for a TV announcement, and he wanted his personal lawyer in the loop. Not discreet. And not just the AG.
(01-17-2020, 10:03 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2020, 09:52 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]FYI: GOP had majority between 2016 and 2018.
They (dem) had control in 2018. It’s now 2020. So, I guess we both can be right. In 2016, none of this would be happening. It’s still a partisan “impeachment. Congrats for your “victory?”? Even though you won’t “win” a darn thing. But fear not, after re-election, we will all continue to win.
Sadly, we can't be both right here.
(01-17-2020, 10:15 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2020, 09:52 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]FYI: GOP had majority between 2016 and 2018.
FYI, by her own admission San Fran Nan has been working on impeachment for 2 and half years.
Just doing my job in pointing out the fallacy in the line of thought that "when 'we' have control of the house and senate, ish will finally get done." Not much got done despite said control in the house and senate during the first two years of Trump's presidency.
(01-18-2020, 10:23 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2020, 11:47 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Sure, discreetly disclosing evidence of a crime to the attorney general is not election interference.
But that's not what Trump was asking for. Trump was asking for a TV announcement, and he wanted his personal lawyer in the loop. Not discreet. And not just the AG.
I missed the part where Trump asked for a TV announcement. That wasn't in either phone call. Maybe you're quoting one of the many lies from Adam Schiff?
Nope, it's in the e-mails, and Parnas' testimony. Lots more in the written record than a transcript.
(01-18-2020, 01:00 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2020, 10:23 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]I missed the part where Trump asked for a TV announcement. That wasn't in either phone call. Maybe you're quoting one of the many lies from Adam Schiff?
Nope, it's in the e-mails, and Parnas' testimony. Lots more in the written record than a transcript.
Right, the hearsay not the facts. Got it.
(01-18-2020, 02:01 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2020, 01:00 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Nope, it's in the e-mails, and Parnas' testimony. Lots more in the written record than a transcript.
Right, the hearsay not the facts. Got it.
Emails aren't facts now? Ok. So why did we all want Hillary's so bad?
(01-18-2020, 02:01 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2020, 01:00 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Nope, it's in the e-mails, and Parnas' testimony. Lots more in the written record than a transcript.
Right, the hearsay not the facts. Got it.
What did stormy have to say?
(01-18-2020, 02:42 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2020, 02:01 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Right, the hearsay not the facts. Got it.
Emails aren't facts now? Ok. So why did we all want Hillary's so bad?
Odd, I didn't see any e-mails, did you?
(01-18-2020, 06:35 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Odd, I didn't see any e-mails, did you?
Ask and ye shall receive, sugar plum!
http://publicintegrity.org/national-secu...nding-law/
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Oh, the report that the OMB's legal counsel said doesn't break the law?
[font=TiemposText, Georgia,]"Pauses in obligational authority are necessary for proper stewardship of taxpayer funds," Paoletta said, adding that pauses like this are different from "deferrals," which the president is prohibited from doing without notifying Congress."[/font]
So...great, thanks for proving your lack of a point! Once again the left and NT'rs like you just show everyone how much of the actual Law they can't comprehend.
(01-18-2020, 08:44 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2020, 07:02 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Ask and ye shall receive, sugar plum!
http://publicintegrity.org/national-secu...nding-law/
A CTRL-F search of that link has ZERO hits for either TV or television.
Try Lie again.
Those emails mostly pertain to the question of the Impoundment Control Act.
The idea that Trump wanted an official from Ukraine to announce an investigation into the Bidens and crowdstrike, but no other topics, comes from the sworn testimony of Volker and Sondland.
Suppose it's not true. You're going to say this is hearsay, they're lying.
If two of the President's hand-picked guys misunderstood him that badly, even in this best possible scenario for Trump, he obviously has major malfunctions all over his administration. If you think they misheard guys higher up like Pompeo Bolton or Guiliani, then you should want those guys to testify to clear that up.
But none of y'all ever call for that.
All y'all know your man is corrupt garbage and has everything to hide, and all y'all are pretending not to know that for some reason.
(01-18-2020, 09:47 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2020, 08:44 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]
A CTRL-F search of that link has ZERO hits for either TV or television.
Try Lie again.
Those emails mostly pertain to the question of the Impoundment Control Act.
The idea that Trump wanted an official from Ukraine to announce an investigation into the Bidens and crowdstrike, but no other topics, comes from the sworn testimony of Volker and Sondland.
Suppose it's not true. You're going to say this is hearsay, they're lying.
If two of the President's hand-picked guys misunderstood him that badly, even in this best possible scenario for Trump, he obviously has major malfunctions all over his administration. If you think they misheard guys higher up like Pompeo Bolton or Guiliani, then you should want those guys to testify to clear that up.
But none of y'all ever call for that.
All y'all know your man is corrupt garbage and has everything to hide, and all y'all are pretending not to know that for some reason.
You're pretending that you have all this fact-based evidence when you know that it's a house of cards and that no matter what was said or done you are prejudiced to believe that ORANGEMANBAD. Sondland said, "Trump said 'I don't want anything, there's no quid pro quo.'" but you don't accept that and demand that we accept what Sondland (on second thought btw) said that makes Trump look bad. Nah, it's pretty clear that they're lying. It's been evident since Schiff created his fantasy phone conversation about Don Trumpeleone and it's only gotten more unbelievable from there.
But you keep carrying that torch. Just make sure you're seeing a chiropractor, 6 years is a long time for that kind of back strain.
I don't think the facts of this case matter at all. The only thing that matters is the votes, and it's been that way since the Dems won the house in 2018. Impeachment by the house was baked into the mid-term election. I think we are about to find out how many Pierre Delectos are in the Senate.
But even If Trump gets back-stabbed by the Republicans and removed from office, he could probably still win the election as a write-in candidate for the Green Party. If not, he goes back to being a billionaire with a hot wife, golfing 6 days a week and enjoying the grandeur of his legacy as the Trump Doctrine propels humanity to its glorious destiny.
(01-18-2020, 09:47 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2020, 08:44 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]
A CTRL-F search of that link has ZERO hits for either TV or television.
Try Lie again.
Those emails mostly pertain to the question of the Impoundment Control Act.
The idea that Trump wanted an official from Ukraine to announce an investigation into the Bidens and crowdstrike, but no other topics, comes from the sworn testimony of Volker and Sondland.
Suppose it's not true. You're going to say this is hearsay, they're lying.
If two of the President's hand-picked guys misunderstood him that badly, even in this best possible scenario for Trump, he obviously has major malfunctions all over his administration. If you think they misheard guys higher up like Pompeo Bolton or Guiliani, then you should want those guys to testify to clear that up.
But none of y'all ever call for that.
All y'all know your man is corrupt garbage and has everything to hide, and all y'all are pretending not to know that for some reason.
Who needs the nutmeg now brother?