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(05-24-2020, 08:49 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone provide me with an update in the Trump/Russia collusion stuff? Thank you.

https://thenationalpulse.com/news/trumps...obamagate/

(05-24-2020, 08:49 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone provide me with an update in the Trump/Russia collusion stuff? Thank you.

That was a different thread.
This thread was about Trump trying to get Ukraine's government to investigate Joe Biden.

(05-25-2020, 04:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-24-2020, 08:49 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone provide me with an update in the Trump/Russia collusion stuff? Thank you.

That was a different thread.
This thread was about Trump trying to get Ukraine's government to investigate Joe Biden.

Oh yeah, the other Democrat hoax of 2019.

(05-25-2020, 04:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-24-2020, 08:49 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone provide me with an update in the Trump/Russia collusion stuff? Thank you.

That was a different thread.
This thread was about Trump trying to get Ukraine's government to investigate Joe Biden.

Mike, please provide me an update.

(05-25-2020, 11:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-25-2020, 04:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]That was a different thread.
This thread was about Trump trying to get Ukraine's government to investigate Joe Biden.

Oh yeah, the other Democrat hoax of 2019.

Trump didn't want Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden? That was all a hoax?

(05-26-2020, 08:39 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-25-2020, 11:14 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Oh yeah, the other Democrat hoax of 2019.

Trump didn't want Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden? That was all a hoax?

Yes, a hoax (or more accurately a lie). Read the transcript.

(05-26-2020, 09:32 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-26-2020, 08:39 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Trump didn't want Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden? That was all a hoax?

Yes, a hoax (or more accurately a lie). Read the transcript.

It doesn't say what they want, so it's not credible.

(05-26-2020, 09:32 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-26-2020, 08:39 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Trump didn't want Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden? That was all a hoax?

Yes, a hoax (or more accurately a lie). Read the transcript.

Goalposts move a lot around here. Not too far back in this thread, you will find JJ and others agreeing that Trump wanted Ukraine to invest Biden, and insisting that it was right for Trump to want that.

Now, you're right that the transcript is more vague, but it says "my lawyer is going to call you." And we know that his lawyer wanted Ukraine to investigate Biden.

(05-26-2020, 10:37 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-26-2020, 09:32 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, a hoax (or more accurately a lie). Read the transcript.

Goalposts move a lot around here. Not too far back in this thread, you will find JJ and others agreeing that Trump wanted Ukraine to invest Biden, and insisting that it was right for Trump to want that.

Now, you're right that the transcript is more vague, but it says "my lawyer is going to call you." And we know that his lawyer wanted Ukraine to investigate Biden.

Pretty sure J. Biden was the one who wanted Ukraine to invest in H. Biden.

Seriously, I don't remember JJ (or any other poster not a member of #orangemanbad) saying that. What might have been said is that it would have been a legitimate request, and far from a matter worthy of impeachment. 

Still touting your presumption, and one not based on what we know. If Trump wanted Ukraine to investigate Biden he would have asked during the phone call. It was clear from what he said then that he wanted Ukraine to share any information they had on Crowdstrike* and Bursima with Barr. That does not request Ukraine digging up any additional information beyond what was already known, which is what "investigate" implies.

*Crowdstrike has since admitted that they don't have any solid evidence that Russia hacked the DNC server (or even that it was hacked), although that was claimed publicly over and over.

(05-26-2020, 12:09 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-26-2020, 10:37 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Goalposts move a lot around here. Not too far back in this thread, you will find JJ and others agreeing that Trump wanted Ukraine to invest Biden, and insisting that it was right for Trump to want that.

Now, you're right that the transcript is more vague, but it says "my lawyer is going to call you." And we know that his lawyer wanted Ukraine to investigate Biden.

Pretty sure J. Biden was the one who wanted Ukraine to invest in H. Biden.

Seriously, I don't remember JJ (or any other poster not a member of #orangemanbad) saying that. What might have been said is that it would have been a legitimate request, and far from a matter worthy of impeachment. 

Still touting your presumption, and one not based on what we know. If Trump wanted Ukraine to investigate Biden he would have asked during the phone call. It was clear from what he said then that he wanted Ukraine to share any information they had on Crowdstrike* and Bursima with Barr. That does not request Ukraine digging up any additional information beyond what was already known, which is what "investigate" implies.

*Crowdstrike has since admitted that they don't have any solid evidence that Russia hacked the DNC server (or even that it was hacked), although that was claimed publicly over and over.

That's an autocorrect error above, it's supposed to read "investigate" not "invest".  I think you understood that already, just making sure.

Anyhow, you're just going to feel like I'm moving the goalposts if we really pursue this further.  The parts you admit to Trump saying and doing were still inappropriate and abusive. And you should be able to figure that out simply by asking how you would feel if Obama had done these types of things to Romney and to Romney's kids and associates.

(05-26-2020, 12:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-26-2020, 12:09 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]
Pretty sure J. Biden was the one who wanted Ukraine to invest in H. Biden.

Seriously, I don't remember JJ (or any other poster not a member of #orangemanbad) saying that. What might have been said is that it would have been a legitimate request, and far from a matter worthy of impeachment. 

Still touting your presumption, and one not based on what we know. If Trump wanted Ukraine to investigate Biden he would have asked during the phone call. It was clear from what he said then that he wanted Ukraine to share any information they had on Crowdstrike* and Bursima with Barr. That does not request Ukraine digging up any additional information beyond what was already known, which is what "investigate" implies.

*Crowdstrike has since admitted that they don't have any solid evidence that Russia hacked the DNC server (or even that it was hacked), although that was claimed publicly over and over.

That's an autocorrect error above, it's supposed to read "investigate" not "invest".  I think you understood that already, just making sure.

Anyhow, you're just going to feel like I'm moving the goalposts if we really pursue this further.  The parts you admit to Trump saying and doing were still inappropriate and abusive. And you should be able to figure that out simply by asking how you would feel if Obama had done these types of things to Romney and to Romney's kids and associates.

If Romney's kid was pocketing foreign money I would have strongly opposed his being the candidate. Period!

(05-26-2020, 05:31 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-26-2020, 12:50 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]That's an autocorrect error above, it's supposed to read "investigate" not "invest".  I think you understood that already, just making sure.

Anyhow, you're just going to feel like I'm moving the goalposts if we really pursue this further.  The parts you admit to Trump saying and doing were still inappropriate and abusive. And you should be able to figure that out simply by asking how you would feel if Obama had done these types of things to Romney and to Romney's kids and associates.

If Romney's kid was pocketing foreign money I would have strongly opposed his being the candidate. Period!

A few of Romney's kids are in high dollar, VC and real estate stuff. An imaginative propagandist could have turned that into something.  Found a client that sounds suspicious or shady.  But Obama's people didn't make it an issue.

(05-25-2020, 04:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-24-2020, 08:49 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone provide me with an update in the Trump/Russia collusion stuff? Thank you.

That was a different thread.
This thread was about Trump trying to get Ukraine's government to investigate Joe Biden.

Dude. You gotta stop taking the bait.

(05-26-2020, 07:41 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-25-2020, 04:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]That was a different thread.
This thread was about Trump trying to get Ukraine's government to investigate Joe Biden.

Dude. You gotta stop taking the bait.

Thank you for acknowledging that I'm not the troll here.

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(05-26-2020, 07:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-26-2020, 07:41 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Dude. You gotta stop taking the bait.

Thank you for acknowledging that I'm not the troll here.

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You are trolling saying you aren't the troll.

You are worse than the disturbance in the kitchen guy on Curb your Enthusiasm. You can literally spew out paragraphs of [BLEEP] that constantly leaves the reader walking  away asking what the [BLEEP] did I just read?

(05-26-2020, 09:14 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-26-2020, 07:46 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you for acknowledging that I'm not the troll here.

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You are trolling saying you aren't the troll.

You are worse than the disturbance in the kitchen guy on Curb your Enthusiasm. You can literally spew out paragraphs of [BLEEP] that constantly leaves the reader walking  away asking what the [BLEEP] did I just read?

I'm sorry you feel that way, but if you don't understand what you're reading, the problem may be with you.
Most people here understand, they just disagree.

(05-26-2020, 10:29 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-26-2020, 09:14 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]You are trolling saying you aren't the troll.

You are worse than the disturbance in the kitchen guy on Curb your Enthusiasm. You can literally spew out paragraphs of [BLEEP] that constantly leaves the reader walking  away asking what the [BLEEP] did I just read?

I'm sorry you feel that way, but if you don't understand what you're reading, the problem may be with you.
Most people here understand, they just disagree.

"What the [BLEEP] did I just read" isn't about comprehension, it's about incredulity.

(05-26-2020, 06:28 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-26-2020, 05:31 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]If Romney's kid was pocketing foreign money I would have strongly opposed his being the candidate. Period!

A few of Romney's kids are in high dollar, VC and real estate stuff. An imaginative propagandist could have turned that into something.  Found a client that sounds suspicious or shady.  But Obama's people didn't make it an issue.

???  Yeh, just some coincidence that all of a sudden the guy gets elected president then his coke head son, just kicked out of the military, turns into an international man of mystery.  Nothing to see here.  

In other news, there's new evidence that the president of Ukraine Acknowledges there was no underlying evidence against Schokin and that his firing was a special favor to Joe Biden.  There's that.

(05-27-2020, 11:03 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-26-2020, 06:28 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]A few of Romney's kids are in high dollar, VC and real estate stuff. An imaginative propagandist could have turned that into something.  Found a client that sounds suspicious or shady.  But Obama's people didn't make it an issue.

???  Yeh, just some coincidence that all of a sudden the guy gets elected president then his coke head son, just kicked out of the military, turns into an international man of mystery.  Nothing to see here.  

In other news, there's new evidence that the president of Ukraine Acknowledges there was no underlying evidence against Schokin and that his firing was a special favor to Joe Biden.  There's that.

(05-27-2020, 11:03 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-26-2020, 06:28 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]A few of Romney's kids are in high dollar, VC and real estate stuff. An imaginative propagandist could have turned that into something.  Found a client that sounds suspicious or shady.  But Obama's people didn't make it an issue.

???  Yeh, just some coincidence that all of a sudden the guy gets elected president then his coke head son, just kicked out of the military, turns into an international man of mystery.  Nothing to see here.  

In other news, there's new evidence that the president of Ukraine Acknowledges there was no underlying evidence against Schokin and that his firing was a special favor to Joe Biden.  There's that.

The President of Ukraine knows where his bread is buttered for the next year or so, especially after the acquittal in the US Senate.

Firing the prosecutor was a special favor to the IMF, EU, US, and others.  For him to say it was just Biden and only Biden (if he said that in the first place) is just playing fiddle for Trump.