I respect the fact we have a vote, but people will always be people no matter what. We will always disagree on things, feel differently about things, and come together sometimes. It is what it is but acting like people complaining about unfair treatment is stupid or wrong because the system is set up to not give a ..... is what's childish. Racism and other problems are real and the ones who chose to just say GET OVER IT are the main problem.
Burning and looting our country is no way to bring "awareness" to any issue.
It's creating a completely separate problem.
Problems don't solve problems.
Quote:I respect the fact we have a vote, but people will always be people no matter what. We will always disagree on things, feel differently about things, and come together sometimes. It is what it is but acting like people complaining about unfair treatment is stupid or wrong because the system is set up to not give a ..... is what's childish. Racism and other problems are real and the ones who chose to just say GET OVER IT are the main problem.
the people in the streets and in the square aren't doing themselves any favors if they want to change things. all they are doing is making fools of themselves.
Quote:the people in the streets and in the square aren't doing themselves any favors if they want to change things. all they are doing is making fools of themselves.
...and getting people to tune them out, not listen.
It's the whole respect thing. If you want it, you earn it - you don't demand it while attacking those you want it from.
I think everyone on all sides would prefer injustices to go away.
But to do that you don't fight injustice with injustice. It's completely illogical.
It's like making the defense do gassers when the offense false starts or drops a pass. You're only hurting the team as a whole and not addressing the issue. It's an unjust punishment against the innocent for the mistakes or wrongdoing of others.
Quote:the people in the streets and in the square aren't doing themselves any favors if they want to change things. all they are doing is making fools of themselves.
You are absolutely right. The only way to make change today is by force. Voting in this election only showed the problem in a different light. No one cares about coming up with a solution and trying to show people why their way is the right way. Just brush it off and i will as well. Just know the same way you feel like it isnt your problem, i feel the opposite but will do the same as others. Just keep it out of my face and we dont have a problem. Racism and all is not going to change and i've accepted that but dont disrespect me and raise the fear level from my culture to others that much more and everything will stay fine. Right...right.
No, force is not the answer.
Force will be only be rewarded with force.
War.
That's really what you're saying you want.
Be careful what you ask for. You just might get it.
Quote:...and getting people to tune them out, not listen.
It's the whole respect thing. If you want it, you earn it - you don't demand it while attacking those you want it from.
I think everyone on all sides would prefer injustices to go away.
But to do that you don't fight injustice with injustice. It's completely illogical.
It's like making the defense do gassers when the offense false starts or drops a pass. You're only hurting the team as a whole and not addressing the issue. It's an unjust punishment against the innocent for the mistakes or wrongdoing of others.
Look. If i see a black man being racist or doing anything illogical in my presence, i'm going to say something. For those of you who choose to make excuses for others and not do or say anything about it to fix the problem, do you. If the people committing crimes or unjust acts against others due to whatever reason doesn't get fixed by those who can fix it then people can react how they please. Stop trying to force feed people to play nice when the people saying it arent putting even an half-a....effort into fixing anything. Sit back and make excuses but dont blame those who say whatever and decide to replace respect with fear. Sort of like the american way.
Quote:Look. If i see a black man being racist or doing anything illogical in my presence, i'm going to say something. For those of you who choose to make excuses for others and not do or say anything about it to fix the problem, do you. If the people committing crimes or unjust acts against others due to whatever reason doesn't get fixed by those who can fix it then people can react how they please. Stop trying to force feed people to play nice when the people saying it arent putting even an half-a....effort into fixing anything. Sit back and make excuses but dont blame those who say whatever and decide to replace respect with fear. Sort of like the american way.
I don't excuse anyone's behavior and neither should you.
If a group turns people off to their cause because of their behavior, it's that's group's fault for doing so. You can't blame those who are being pushed away from a cause by that poor behavior. These groups need to recognize and own their responsibility for pushing people away from their cause. It's pure insanity to attack, loot, or intimidate people and expect them to be sympathetic to your cause.
All the anger, hate, and emotion... looks to me to have absolutely nothing to do with righting injustice and coming together, but instead some form of sick revenge against people who are innocent.
Quote:I don't excuse anyone's behavior and neither should you.
If a group turns people off to their cause because of their behavior, it's that's group's fault for doing so. You can't blame those who are being pushed away from a cause by that poor behavior. These groups need to recognize and own their responsibility for pushing people away from their cause. It's pure insanity to attack, loot, or intimidate people and expect them to be sympathetic to your cause.
All the anger, hate, and emotion... looks to me to have absolutely nothing to do with righting injustice and coming together, but instead some form of sick revenge against people who are innocent.
I can agree or at least see where your coming from. I don't condone attacks on any innocent human being of any race. I just feel that the argument against these groups screaming injustice is the same argument that created the groups in the first place.
Reread your message and tell me that isn't what people have been complaining about for years.....Attacking people for no reason, stealing from them what they feel or know is theirs whether property or whatever, and intimidating the lesser race because the superior race(s) is/are already in control.
Quote:I can agree or at least see where your coming from. I don't condone attacks on any innocent human being of any race. I just feel that the argument against these groups screaming injustice is the same argument that created the groups in the first place.
Reread your message and tell me that isn't what people have been complaining about for years.....Attacking people for no reason, stealing from them what they feel or know is theirs whether property or whatever, and intimidating the lesser race because the superior race(s) is/are already in control.
Why does it have to be about race?
Quote:You are absolutely right. The only way to make change today is by force. Voting in this election only showed the problem in a different light. No one cares about coming up with a solution and trying to show people why their way is the right way. Just brush it off and i will as well. Just know the same way you feel like it isnt your problem, i feel the opposite but will do the same as others. Just keep it out of my face and we dont have a problem. Racism and all is not going to change and i've accepted that but dont disrespect me and raise the fear level from my culture to others that much more and everything will stay fine. Right...right.
by force huh? what are they gonna do? use those guns they dont believe in and overthrow the government?
Quote:I can agree or at least see where your coming from. I don't condone attacks on any innocent human being of any race. I just feel that the argument against these groups screaming injustice is the same argument that created the groups in the first place.
Reread your message and tell me that isn't what people have people complaining about for years.....Attacking people for no reason, stealing from them what they feel or know is theirs whether property or whatever, and intimidating the lesser race because the superior race(s) is/are already in control.
I agree that they have every right to feel like they aren't being heard. You make a terrific point.
I also think that without trust, it will be difficult to those who feel disenfranchised to ever think any progress is made or that their voices are being heard. Both the progress and level of compassion are very difficult to measure. And yes, I do believe leaders have not done enough to earn that trust from those who rely on them to listen and help.
I believe progress can be made. So, I suppose it truly depends on each of us individually, beginning with what is in our hearts. Within our families, the people we see on a daily basis. New people we encounter on a daily basis. So many times we frame or generate our feelings based on what we hear or see in the media, but the only true control we have over anyone's behavior is our own. We have to be the change we want to see in others. I only pray enough people feel the same way. It nearly brought tears to my eyes when my son cried to me because he wanted to look like one of his kindergarten friends. I fully believe it begins and ends with us, the people coming together. What we teach our children, how we raise our families, and how we love one another outside our families. I cannot think of any law or regulation that will change the heart, nor has the power of faith and good deeds.
Quote:I agree that they have every right to feel like they aren't being heard. You make a terrific point.
I also think that without trust, it will be difficult to those who feel disenfranchised to ever think any progress is made or that their voices are being heard. Both the progress and level of compassion are very difficult to measure. And yes, I do believe leaders have not done enough to earn that trust from those who rely on them to listen and help.
I believe progress can be made. So, I suppose it truly depends on each of us individually, beginning with what is in our hearts. Within our families, the people we see on a daily basis. New people we encounter on a daily basis. So many times we frame or generate our feelings based on what we hear or see in the media, but the only true control we have over anyone's behavior is our own. We have to be the change we want to see in others. I only pray enough people feel the same way. It nearly brought tears to my eyes when my son cried to me because he wanted to look like one of his kindergarten friends. I fully believe it begins and ends with us, the people coming together. What we teach our children, how we raise our families, and how we love one another outside our families. I cannot think of any law or regulation that will change the heart, nor has the power of faith and good deeds.
You have dropped the mic. You're right and nothing else can bring the change we need besides doing these things. People can argue, complain, and throw fits all they want. We need to come together as people and all i do is SMH sometimes. We can do it but i don't know the half of what needs to be said or done to change some people's mind.
As the saying goes, " You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make em' drink it."
Without consideration to ethnicity, The country simply cannot allow the wanton destruction of private or government owned property and attacks against innocent humans in the name of protest every time somebody feels offended or the scenarios they support are rejected or defeated. It must stop and must stop immediately.
Peaceful protest? Fine go ahead. That is allowed and encouraged in our country.
Quote:the people in the streets and in the square aren't doing themselves any favors if they want to change things. all they are doing is making fools of themselves.
The sad thing is, I genuinely don't think they understand that THIS IS why Trump was elected.
Quote:Without consideration to ethnicity, The country simply cannot allow the wanton destruction of private or government owned property and attacks against innocent humans in the name of protest every time somebody feels offended or the scenarios they support are rejected or defeated. It must stop and must stop immediately.
Peaceful protest? Fine go ahead. That is allowed and encouraged in our country.
The Sadder part is, most of these kids out on the street don't have the first idea what they are protesting. I am picking and choosing points to engage people that express strong disagreement with the election. Usually, the more ardent the passion, the less they know about the issues. "Trump's going to take away my birth control" "Trumps going to send my friend to anti-gay re-educations camps because Mike Pence Said so" "Trump is going to make me wear a Toupee..." I mean the list goes on.
The woman stood up on national television and said "I'm okay with killing an unborn child ON THE DUE DATE!!!!" Largest evangelical turnout in recent memory. She said on national television "I am going to put the coal industry OUT OF BUSINESS!!!!" Coal country took the rust belt out of the blue wall. That's not what Sean Hannity Said she said... That's what she SAID!
No one to blame but the candidate.
Quote:"Trump's going to take away my birth control" "Trumps going to send my friend to anti-gay re-educations camps because Mike Pence Said so" "Trump is going to make me wear a Toupee..." I mean the list goes on.
I'm only going to comment on this because I agree with the rest of your post...
I've heard many of the same fears in my circles. I'm typically the mediator in my peer group so I've spent an inordinate amount of time trying to allay fears from people who are for whatever reason legitimately afraid of losing rights they currently have. I'm generally good at finding a silver lining when I look, but in this particular case I can't in good conscience offer any.
If (and this is a big, unknown if) Trump got a wire hair up his backside and decided to come for a women (reproductive rights/issues) and the LGBT community only the Supreme Court as it stands right now would be any sort of roadblock whatsoever as long as it happens before he starts appointing Justices. Having said that, I don't think either are even on his radar right now as he has much bigger fish to fry. But you know how people are...they are primarily focused on what affects them directly.
You come across as someone who's either fairy convinced these folks are overreacting and/or who has a better sense of what Trump wants to do than I do...so I'm sincerely asking what would you say to these people/groups to allay their fears?
Quote:Why does it have to be about race?
LOL Donald Trump made it about race when he said crap about a judge who ruled against him and did not stop there.
Of course when discussing different beliefs and opinions, it is about politics and religion.
Quote:I'm only going to comment on this because I agree with the rest of your post...
I've heard many of the same fears in my circles. I'm typically the mediator in my peer group so I've spent an inordinate amount of time trying to allay fears from people who are for whatever reason legitimately afraid of losing rights they currently have. I'm generally good at finding a silver lining when I look, but in this particular case I can't in good conscience offer any.
If (and this is a big, unknown if) Trump got a wire hair up his backside and decided to come for a women (reproductive rights/issues) and the LGBT community only the Supreme Court as it stands right now would be any sort of roadblock whatsoever as long as it happens before he starts appointing Justices. Having said that, I don't think either are even on his radar right now as he has much bigger fish to fry. But you know how people are...they are primarily focused on what affects them directly.
You come across as someone who's either fairy convinced these folks are overreacting and/or who has a better sense of what Trump wants to do than I do...so I'm sincerely asking what would you say to these people/groups to allay their fears?
"Snap out of it, drama queen" isn't working? Maybe you should shake them.